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Texas Senate approves drug testing for welfare

It's just more racism cloaked in dumbassery. People who are unemployed don't want to work. People who don't want to work love to sleep in vacant buildings and old cars and get high all day. People who don't want to work, who sleep in vacant buildings and old cars and get high are minorities. Minorities are the ones in America who use illegal drugs. We know this because minorities are rarely the people we see as business leaders or captains of industry. Why don't we see minorities as business leaders or captains of industry? Because they are mostly laying around in vacant building getting high all day. :roll: Alt. Right pretzel logic. Go figure.

North Carolina and Tennessee tired the same thing and guess what? It cost a lot more money than it saved because the vast majority of welfare recipients tested negative.

Continued proof that the programs are wrong headed and unnecessary will not stop some states from drug testing welfare recipients, however. Why is that? Because the welfare recipients are still minorities and that is what the drug testing programs are really all about. Until there is a way to turn a black person into a white bank manager or business executive the programs will continue.
Exactly it's continued class warfare pushed by clueless dicks who are still drinking Reagan's "welfare queen" kool-aid that anyone on the dole for a bit of food are lazy drug using minorities.
 
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Of course the legislators won't be tested for their Rx drugs. Two different worlds.
Article here.

Texas....'nuff said.

More stupid feel good legislation that won't do a damned thing.
 
Exactly it's continued class warfare pushed by clueless dicks who are still drinking Reagan's "welfare queen" kool-aid that anyone on the dole for a bit of food are lazy drug using minorities.

Well then, the drug test should prove all those Reagan kool-aide drinkers wrong, amiright ?
 
On it's face, that's true. I wouldn't though. I watch enough CSI to figure that getting away clean is next to impossible.

The Zodiac killer isn't a criminal. He's either dead or living as a free man.

You're good if you get past the first 48 Hours.
 
Save more money, no testing, just cut it all for everyone.

Problem solved.

There's that conservative compassion we've all come to love.
 
Well then, the drug test should prove all those Reagan kool-aide drinkers wrong, amiright ?

Sure! But then surely you want your mayor, congressmen senators, governor and president drug tested too, right?? After all they're living high on the hog off of your money!
 
There's that conservative compassion we've all come to love.

Exactly! if people are hungry and need a bit of help, **** em' they can beg in the streets like it's the 1890's
 
Unless they can screen for alcohol, tobacco and coffee, this approach is inefficient and unethical.

IIRC correctly, Florida's statistics showed that less than 0.5% of people on welfare screened positive for anything in the first year of making a similar law. The cost to administer the drug tests is higher than the money saved in catching a few people using drugs. It's ironic because the right wing likes to attack the poor for abusing the system but the stats in FA show that most poor people on the government tab aren't misallocating their funds.

Not like anyone cares though. When the economy gets tough everyone blames the poor, and not the upper echelons for their mismanagement and sequestration of wealth.
 
All politicians should be regularly drug tested. The alderman is living in a nice house, driving a nice car and going on nice vacations all paid for by us the taxpayer. Why is it that compassionate conservatives aren't rallying for such a measure?
 
Unless they can screen for alcohol, tobacco and coffee, this approach is inefficient and unethical.

IIRC correctly, Florida's statistics showed that less than 0.5% of people on welfare screened positive for anything in the first year of making a similar law. The cost to administer the drug tests is higher than the money saved in catching a few people using drugs. It's ironic because the right wing likes to attack the poor for abusing the system but the stats in FA show that most poor people on the government tab aren't misallocating their funds.

Not like anyone cares though. When the economy gets tough everyone blames the poor, and not the upper echelons for their mismanagement and sequestration of wealth.

Plus it looks like it just might be unconstitutional.

welfare benefits | drug test | mandatory | unconstitutional

On this record, the State has failed to meet its burden of establishing a substantial special need to drug test all TANF applicants without any suspicion. Even viewing the facts in the light most favorable to the nonmoving party, the State has not demonstrated a more prevalent, unique, or different drug problem among TANF applicants than in the general population. The ordinary government interests claimed in this case are nothing like the narrow category of special needs that justify blanket drug testing of railroad workers, certain federal Customs employees involved in drug interdiction or who carry firearms, or students who participate in extracurricular activities because those programs involve “surpassing safety interests,” Skinner v. Railway Labor Execs. Ass’n, 489 U.S. 602, 634 (1989), or “close supervision of school children,” Vernonia Sch. Dist. 47J v. Acton, 515 U.S. 646, 655 (1995) (quoting New Jersey v. T.L.O., 469 U.S. 325, 339 (1985)).

Now this was Florida so YMMV.
 
Of course it does. It benefits the drug user by giving them the opportunity to buy food.
If they have money to buy drugs, then they have money to buy food. They'll just have to choose.

This idea is solely created to punish drug users... but only selective drug users.
The ones which are illegal.
Still costs as a result of the program.
Not really. States are always getting sued for one reason or another. I understand the point you're trying to make, I'm just saying I don't see it as valid in this case because the state is going to get sued for various reasons anyways.
It is different because failing a drug test means no paycheck, not giving that paycheck to the same "household" anyway. It is simply spending more money to do the same thing. It is not as if the drug abuser is not allowed to live in the subsidized household - just that some third party acts as the representative payee.
You're changing arguments now. You were discussing that it would be a violation of due process, which is how I responded when I said it wasn't different.
That you waste more money than you save purely out of spite?
I don't think "spite" means what you think it means.

It's not spiteful to insist society's money not be spent on products which don't contribute back to society and are illegal.

Personally i don´t care what they are taking as long as they are looking for work.
As long as it is not dangerous to others, I'm not disagreeing with this. As long as it is not a danger to another, then take the drug of your choice. But if you DO choose to take the drug, you shouldn't have your drug habit subsidized with my money.

That's the difference. Providing governmental financial assistance to drug users is essentially subsidizing the purchase of illegal products. That's not where I want my money to go. I'd rather my money go to a school or a new road or healthcare for the sick, etc.

You can only observe specimens being bottled for probationers and parolees. Yes, they make a plastic penis that you can use to pass that kind of test. Vagina too.

The Constitution keeps it from happening to law abiding citizens.
To the best of my knowledge, financial assistance is not mandatory. Signing up is voluntary. If you do not wish to take a drug test, then don't sign up for the benefits. Professionals have to take drug tests all the time. There's no reason someone receiving governmental assistance can't as well.

If they are using drugs they are drug users. They aren't criminals until they are caught.
Umm...no. That is false. If you commit a crime, it's a crime whether you are caught or not. If it is unlawful to be in possession of a controlled substance, and you are in possession of a controlled substance, then you are in violation of the law, whether you are caught or not.

They use drugs to escape the harsh realities of their existence, much like the elites and their doctors.
So? I don't give a rat's rear as to why someone uses drugs. It doesn't change the fact they are in violation of the law and if they have money to purchase substances which violate the law, then they have money to buy a cheeseburger from McDonalds.
 
Then you surely would like to see everyone from Aldermen up to the president regularly drug tested being as they live off tax payer money.
Those people are receiving money in exchange for work. Do I really have to explain the difference to you?

But sure, you can test your congress people and your governors and presidents as well. I have no problem with that.

In all fairness if we're gonna subject my neighbor who's feeding her kids on a measly amount of monthly LINK funds then I want the Alderman and the mayor regularly drug tested being as they're collecting millions of dollars and perks from the taxpayer. Fair's fair eh?
Again, I hope I don't have to explain the difference between earning the money you are given and simply filling out a form to be given free assistance.
 
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Of course the legislators won't be tested for their Rx drugs. Two different worlds.
Article here.

I wasn't aware Texas legislators were on welfare...

On the flip side, I approve of this, 100%
 
Those people are receiving money in exchange for work. Do I really have to explain the difference to you?

But sure, you can test your congress people and your governors and presidents as well. I have no problem with that.

Again, I hope I don't have to explain the difference between earning the money you are given and simply filling out a form to be given free assistance.

Oh, politicans work? That's a loose term, and no, I don't see why that should matter at all. Our elected officials live high on the hog off of my money. Better than many. Drug test em' especially since you're concerned about a single mother collecting a couple stacks a month temporarily to feed herself and her child.
 
Sure! But then surely you want your mayor, congressmen senators, governor and president drug tested too, right?? After all they're living high on the hog off of your money!

Are they ?? I think Perry and his successor have done a awesome job and deserve every penny we've paid them over the years.

Now if they become welfare recipients then yes, test them.
 
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Of course the legislators won't be tested for their Rx drugs. Two different worlds.
Article here.

welfare is a privilege, its not a right.

therefore a government can put conditions on getting the privilege because they created it.
 
Oh, politicans work? That's a loose term
:)

Agreed. But that is theoretically why they are receiving money.

and no, I don't see why that should matter at all.
Because one is earned and the other is a gift. There's a big difference.

Our elected officials live high on the hog off of my money.


Not disputing that. But you don't fix that problem by giving money to those who want it because they want to spend their money on drugs. Stay on topic please.

Drug test em'
Already said I have no problem with that.

especially since you're concerned about a single mother collecting a couple stacks a month temporarily to feed herself and her child.
I'm not concerned about a single mother feeding her child. I'm concerned about someone wasting their money on drugs and then wanting my money to feed herself. Big difference.
 
Are they ?? I think Perry and his successor have done a awesome job and deserve every penny we've paid them over the years.

Now if they become welfare recipients then yes, test them.

Politicians are welfare recipients in my book.
 
Unless they can screen for alcohol, tobacco and coffee, this approach is inefficient and unethical.

IIRC correctly, Florida's statistics showed that less than 0.5% of people on welfare screened positive for anything in the first year of making a similar law. The cost to administer the drug tests is higher than the money saved in catching a few people using drugs. It's ironic because the right wing likes to attack the poor for abusing the system but the stats in FA show that most poor people on the government tab aren't misallocating their funds.

Not like anyone cares though. When the economy gets tough everyone blames the poor, and not the upper echelons for their mismanagement and sequestration of wealth.

Are law that States welfare recipients should be drug tested would have consequences, wouldn't it ?

Like welfare recipients just not turning up for the drug test because they knew they were going to be tested positive

And any welfare recipient that chosen drugs over welfare should be kicked off welfare, right ?

Seemed like the law worked as intended
 
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Agreed. But that is theoretically why they are receiving money.

Because one is earned and the other is a gift. There's a big difference.



[/I]Not disputing that. But you don't fix that problem by giving money to those who want it because they want to spend their money on drugs. Stay on topic please.

Already said I have no problem with that.

I'm not concerned about a single mother feeding her child. I'm concerned about someone wasting their money on drugs and then wanting my money to feed herself. Big difference.

A large number collecting temporary pittance subsidy do work. And it's near impossible to use a link card for vices. Are there exceptions to that rule? sure but it's rare.
 
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