Texas secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away

[Glen Contrarian]

There are two operating nuclear plants in Texas, you want those too?

If Texas successfully seceded it would only be the first, in a long line of secessions.

No, they can keep the nuke plants - they're not breeder-type plants, and they've got no way to enrich the fuel therein.

And if Texas successfully seceded, along with it would go most or all of the old Confederacy...and good riddance. Hawaii would probably go, too, since there's been a secession movement there for decades. Maybe Alaska too, and again, good riddance. Other than that, America would stay together - and we'd have to deal with having yet another third-world nation below what suddenly became our southern border.

 

[iacardsfan]

I wonder how an independent Texas would prevent illegal immigration :O

 

[Fenton]

No, they can keep the nuke plants - they're not breeder-type plants, and they've got no way to enrich the fuel therein.

And if Texas successfully seceded, along with it would go most or all of the old Confederacy...and good riddance. Hawaii would probably go, too, since there's been a secession movement there for decades. Maybe Alaska too, and again, good riddance. Other than that, America would stay together - and we'd have to deal with having yet another third-world nation below what suddenly became our southern border.

How would Texas become a 3rd world Nation ?

Not saying I agree with the secession movement but the premise of seccesion does not include embracing Liberalism.

On the contrary. We would prprobably wind up going through with it after getting sick and tired of States like California, New York and Illinois asking us for money.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

How would Texas become a 3rd world Nation ?

Not saying I agree with the secession movement but the premise of seccesion does not include embracing Liberalism.

On the contrary. We would prprobably wind up going through with it after getting sick and tired of States like California, New York and Illinois asking us for money.

What state has the LOWEST rate of educational attainment? Texas. And Texas is one of the few red states that pay out more in federal taxes than they take in, generally speaking red states receive more in federal taxes than they pay out...which is why we strongly encourage you to take the rest of the old Confederacy with you - so we in blue states can use some of those federal taxpayer dollars for something other than propping up red states.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

i wish them luck, Obama has driven them to it, by refusing to control the flood of murderous rapists rampaging over the border.

 

[Fenton]

What state has the LOWEST rate of educational attainment? Texas. And Texas is one of the few red states that pay out more in federal taxes than they take in, generally speaking red states receive more in federal taxes than they pay out...which is why we strongly encourage you to take the rest of the old Confederacy with you - so we in blue states can use some of those federal taxpayer dollars for something other than propping up red states.

" Lowest level of educational attainment " ????
Lol !!

Did you just make that up ? Well come to think of it, we have taken in quite a few Californians.

And the rest of your nonsense is just a long since debunked left wing talking point. California has 1/3 of the Nations welfare recipients all by its lonesome, AND it owes the Feds Billions of dollars from a " loan " that was needed to fund its unemplment benefits.

We'll never see that money again. With the highest total debt of any State in the Nation, California is far closer to a 3rd world hell hole than Texas is.

We actually have a surplus, a REAL surplus.

 

[Beaudreaux]

And your entire post was one large exercise in logical fallacies:

1. You point at Detroit, as if what happened to Detroit is what is, has, or automatically will happen to all other big blue cities.

Because... it is.

2. You point at the TOTAL murders in cities...without ANY allowance for the POPULATION of the cities. If you compare the number of homicides to the population, you find the HOMICIDE RATE...where you actually find how likely it is for any one person to be murdered in that place. AND if you were to do that, you'd find that the ENTIRE STATE of Louisiana has about twice the homicide rate of NYC...which, if you'd actually do the math, has one of the LOWEST homicide RATES for ALL large cities nationwide.

The chart was the top ten cities for murder in the US. Even if you look at the highest per capita murder rates, they are all Democrat progressive utopias.

But that didn't matter to you, did it? All that really mattered was you getting what you thought was the chance to make the other side look bad, without any regard whatsoever to little things like facts and accuracy and logic.

All the facts and accuracy and logic are against the progressive platform. You guys have been handing out money and excusing bad behavior since 1964. It has not helped, and you guys have made poverty worse, and the death rate climb.

3. Your poverty numbers and rate graph...didja even think to yourself that the RATE is more important than the numbers? After falling like a rock in the 1960's thanks to higher taxes and the advent of the Great Society, the poverty rate went low and stayed relatively low - since then, it's never even been HALF what it was in the early 1960's before JFK's and LBJ's programs took effect. Thank you for posting a graph that showed without question the success of the social safety net.

You do realize that the poverty rate was on a decline since WWII and that the programs you're so proud of were implemented over time and once they were in effect the rate stabilized (around 1968) rather than fall further?

Jesus H Rutabaga, do you really believe what you say? You, complaining or criticizing my logic, is so ironic. Plus, these aren't my charts. They are based on government data and show the facts that you stated I was lacking, unlike your diatribe above that was nothing but insults, verbal dodges, and a feeble attempt to deflect from the truth.

Thank you for once again demonstrating empirically that Progressive Logic is an oxymoron.

 

[Sherman123]

I would love to see it happen only so that we could have an excuse to send in Federal troops to crush the incipient rebellion and remind certain people, hopefully once and for all, that we have a nationalgovernment and that isn't going to change.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Anybody have a problem with Texas seceding from the union? I don't.

Texas secessionists*launch petition drive for vote to break away - Yahoo News

A group called the Texas Nationalist Movement fanned out to 31 cities across Texas this weekend trying to gather the 75,000 signatures they say they need to get the question of the state's secession from the United States on the primary ballot next spring.

If the Southern States couldn't secede from the Union...what makes anyone think that they can do so now? Sure, they could probably break away from Texas and make their own State, but seceding from the Union? Last I knew SCOTUS ruled that wasn't possible.

 

[chromium]

they can try and we'll kick their asses again, and this time the terms of surrender won't be so lenient

such as: they give up all representation and all whites are herded into a ghetto, while all illegals are given free suburban land there

anyone who signs this is giving advanced warning of attempted treason, not very bright

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I don't think you understand Texas at all. Ask any Texan what they are, they won't say "American", they'll answer "Texan". When the self-identification of the citizens is nearly universally with the state and not with the federal, conditions are right for secession.

Well except in El paso.

it is wioshful naive thinking that Texans calling themselves Texans is proof of actual support for anti Americanism/neo confederate secessionists.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

such as: they give up all representation and all whites are herded into a ghetto, while all illegals are given free suburban land there

Wow talking about being racist.

 

[DiAnna]

Which does nothing to change the validity of my commentary. California has an even larger GDP and would suffer a similar state.

Exactly. I live in California, and the state would implode if it succeeded and was left without federal subsidies for it's immense farming and crops production, along with other required revenues, even though California is one of those rare states that actually pays the federal government more than it receives in subsidies. It's clear to me that all these "secede until we impose our will on the nation" folks have not thought through the enormous realities of becoming a separate country, without federal military and constitutional protections. It's just radical rhetoric, meaningless and immature.

 

[tecoyah]

Exactly. I live in California, and the state would implode if it succeeded and was left without federal subsidies for it's immense farming and crops production, along with other required revenues, even though California is one of those rare states that actually pays the federal government more than it receives in subsidies. It's clear to me that all these "secede until we impose our will on the nation" folks have not thought through the enormous realities of becoming a separate country, without federal military and constitutional protections. It's just radical rhetoric, meaningless and immature.

Imagine Texas without the National Guard they so love to use, or the Border patrol that keeps them "Dirty eelegals" from gettin' in.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Imagine Texas without the National Guard they so love to use, or the Border patrol that keeps them "Dirty eelegals" from gettin' in.

Texas would man the border themselves, leaving a huge gap in soldiers needed to stave the US invasion. Of course it would never get that far. The perpetrators of the coup would be on trial for treason before anyone passed go.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Ironically Texas would have to ally with Mexico, since there would be a trade blockade on Texas. Which would also mean allying with countries that the US does not. Such deals would have to secured by Texas before they could even start planing their coup. This notion that Texas could secede with a majority vote method is extremely naive. It reminds me of the occupiers believing that they could topple the US government with their silly protests. No Arab spring in the US and no neo confederate power grab in Texas. They both will still try but they will be brushed to the side like gnats.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

" Lowest level of educational attainment " ????
Lol !!

Did you just make that up ? Well come to think of it, we have taken in quite a few Californians.

And the rest of your nonsense is just a long since debunked left wing talking point. California has 1/3 of the Nations welfare recipients all by its lonesome, AND it owes the Feds Billions of dollars from a " loan " that was needed to fund its unemplment benefits.

We'll never see that money again. With the highest total debt of any State in the Nation, California is far closer to a 3rd world hell hole than Texas is.

We actually have a surplus, a REAL surplus.

No, I didn't make it up - Texas is the ONLY state with less than 80% high school graduates. To be fair, Texas has a higher percentage of college graduates than California, but is lower than California when it comes to advanced degrees. But if you'll check the indices, the lowest-educated states in terms of high school, college, and advanced degrees are almost all RED states.

But who needs an edjimication, right? Besides, y'all know better 'bout that there global warming than the overwhelming majority of not only the climate scientists but the world's scientific community as a whole. Y'all know better 'cause if them lib'ruls agree with the scientists, and them lib'ruls are always wrong anyhow, then that means that the scientists MUST be wrong!

So let Texas secede, and let Texas take the rest of the Confederacy with it...so America could get rid of most the least-educated people in the nation!

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

No, I didn't make it up - Texas is the ONLY state with less than 80% high school graduates. To be fair, Texas has a higher percentage of college graduates than California, but is lower than California when it comes to advanced degrees. But if you'll check the indices, the lowest-educated states in terms of high school, college, and advanced degrees are almost all RED states.

But who needs an edjimication, right? Besides, y'all know better 'bout that there global warming than the overwhelming majority of not only the climate scientists but the world's scientific community as a whole. Y'all know better 'cause if them lib'ruls agree with the scientists, and them lib'ruls are always wrong anyhow, then that means that the scientists MUST be wrong!

So let Texas secede, and let Texas take the rest of the Confederacy with it...so America could get rid of most the least-educated people in the nation!

That was about as intelligent as the secessionist neo confederates.

 

[RetiredNSmilin]

YES! PLEASE support Texas' efforts to secede from the Union! And while they're at it, let the rest of the former Confederacy go along with them! Just don't allow them to keep any of our troops or military equipment, including nukes. Any Texans or southerners or sympathizers should be allowed to get out of the military to go there too, if they want!

And then we can all see what becomes of the conservative utopia....

Glen...It would not last even that long. Texas is one of the worst money managing states there is. They would be broke in a few days. Just think of ENRON at a state level and you have an accurate picture.

I only moved back here AFTER I retired, so I did not have to suffer, yet again, under another jerkwad Texas boss. As a whole, Texas had the most absolute worst bosses I have ever had to work for. Rhode Island had the best.

Secession is silly.

 

[Fenton]

No, I didn't make it up - Texas is the ONLY state with less than 80% high school graduates. To be fair, Texas has a higher percentage of college graduates than California, but is lower than California when it comes to advanced degrees. But if you'll check the indices, the lowest-educated states in terms of high school, college, and advanced degrees are almost all RED states.

But who needs an edjimication, right? Besides, y'all know better 'bout that there global warming than the overwhelming majority of not only the climate scientists but the world's scientific community as a whole. Y'all know better 'cause if them lib'ruls agree with the scientists, and them lib'ruls are always wrong anyhow, then that means that the scientists MUST be wrong!

So let Texas secede, and let Texas take the rest of the Confederacy with it...so America could get rid of most the least-educated people in the nation!

Hahaha....

California students score at bottom of nation in reading, math.....

California students score at bottom of nation in reading, math - San Jose Mercury News

WHICH OF THE FIVE MOST-POPULOUS STATES DO BEST IN K-12 EDUCATION?
Which of the five most-populous states do best in K-12 education? » Blog & Commentary » Texas Public Policy Foundation

Texas 4rth and 8th grade students outscoring California's...

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Glen...It would not last even that long. Texas is one of the worst money managing states there is. They would be broke in a few days. Just think of ENRON at a state level and you have an accurate picture.

I only moved back here AFTER I retired, so I did not have to suffer, yet again, under another jerkwad Texas boss. As a whole, Texas had the most absolute worst bosses I have ever had to work for. Rhode Island had the best.

Secession is silly.

I have to wonder if it is a regional thing - different places, different overall attitudes...and perhaps that even affects the way that supervisors treat workers.

But I have to admit that houses are MUCH cheaper there in Texas.

 

[RAMOSS]

Typical Fenton answer, ignore the points you can't answer and beat the drum on those points you believe support your position.

Much of Texas economic strength is a direct result of the fossil fuel industry and particularly shale oil's growth but what happens as shale oil becomes less profitable owing to extraction costs?

What does Texas do following secession, if the Saudis refuse to ship their oil to the Motiva oil refinery? The world's largest and 50% owned by the Saudis. How much of Texas economy relies upon oil being shipped into the state? What happens if the US says, "No more American oil to Texas."?

I hope there aren't too many Texans as clueless as your statements

For that matter, what if the U.S. won't let the oil go through the pipelines to texas over U.S. lands?

 

[longview]

For that matter, what if the U.S. won't let the oil go through the pipelines to texas over U.S. lands?

Texas would never secede, The decision has been written in blood, states cannot secede.
Beyond that, If oil gets much over $100 a barrel, it would be cheaper for the refineries
to make their own feedstock from water, air and energy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-diesel

 

[shrubnose]

Anybody have a problem with Texas seceding from the union?

I don't.

Texas secessionists*launch petition drive for vote to break away - Yahoo News

A group called the Texas Nationalist Movement fanned out to 31 cities across Texas this weekend trying to gather the 75,000 signatures they say they need to get the question of the state's secession from the United States on the primary ballot next spring.

The last time that some states tried to secede they ended up getting their butts kicked in the U.S. Civil War.

The South will not rise again.

Wait and see.

:lol:

And Perry won't be moving into the White House, either.

 

[Fenton]

For that matter, what if the U.S. won't let the oil go through the pipelines to texas over U.S. lands?

Then that Oil would never be processed into its useful byproducts.

Gasoline, diesel and plastics to name a few.

Seems like a lose lose for the US