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Texas inmates being "cooked alive" without AC

jaypatriot said:
Oh Yeah, I had to mow my lawn in 100-degree heat last week.
No one campaigned for me to receive a donated riding mower with an air-conditioned cab over me. I'd like to come to this site to get sympathy for my plight but too many Progressive/Liberals here do not care for my suffering.
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Better?
 
Lutherf said:
Look, we've had prisons for thousands of years and some of those prisons were in stupid hot places. Texas has had prisons for a couple of hundred years and most of those years there was no air conditioning. People survived back then and they'll survive today. There is a key to dealing with heat and that's keeping hydrated. Even at 45°C you're not going to die if you keep hydrated.
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So, let me get this right, because we've had prisons in history with terrible conditions it should be fine now?

People are dying so you can't claim conditions are just a little hot.
It would be like saying Covid wasn't a problem because it didn't wipe out the entire human race.

How about we bring nack some more stuff from old prisons?

Maybe the rack as people survived that although I bet they wish they hadn't.
 
jaypatriot said:
I had to pause after reading your last sentence.
AM I in the category of a real American or am I a member of "MAGA terrorist hordes".?
I'll say 'real American' given I served my country in the military, raised a family, worked and paid taxes for fifty years, and voted
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I appreciate your service. I also served in the military. I have paid taxes my entire life.
jaypatriot said:
Republican because the Dems create more government than is necessary so they can control more Americans.
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We will have to disagree on this.

Democrats created regulation to keep corporate scumbags and dishonest business criminals in check. It had nothing to do with controlling anybody. It had to do with keeping scumbags from hurting people.

Texas is not going to murder people by proxy and get away with it. The government of that State must be held absolutely accountable. Their budget surplus needs to be seized and used to put air conditioning in ALL prisons in that state. The rest of it is forfeit and should be donated to charities that help with food banks, abortion services, medical services for the poor, as well as providing schools with new books, computers, and updated facilities.

Gregg Abbott and his co-Nazi Lt. Governor both belong in a cell until they day they die.
 
Lutherf said:
Look, we've had prisons for thousands of years and some of those prisons were in stupid hot places. Texas has had prisons for a couple of hundred years and most of those years there was no air conditioning. People survived back then and they'll survive today. There is a key to dealing with heat and that's keeping hydrated. Even at 45°C you're not going to die if you keep hydrated.
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Nonsensical bullshit.

Those prisons did not provide those prisoners with water.

Please DO NOT make excuses for what Texas has done.
 
stealthycat said:
of course heat can affect people - nobody said it didn't


allegedly prisons are "cooking people alive"

little dramatic don't ya think ?
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Not really, no.

People are dying of heat-related issues in Texas and Texas is lying about it to avoid responsibility.
 
jaypatriot said:
Perhaps more states should emulate Texas with its robust economic growth; it's toughness with illegal migrants; its no state income tax; and its welcome attitude toward corporations who want to leave clumsy blue states like California and New York.
The number of inmates threatened by high temperatures is minuscule compared to the number of incarcerated felons.
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This is all irrelevant.

You're ducking.

Just stop.

One death because of the negligence of Texas is too many.
 
stealthycat said:
of course heat can affect people - nobody said it didn't
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this you?

stealthycat said:
again, I'd bet if any died they were already sick, obese, compromised .... the heat of 100 degree days isn't killers
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Simon W. Moon said:
If folks literally dying from the heat is insufficient,
What criteria must be met for you to consider the heat to be considered deadly?
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stealthycat said:
allegedly prisons are "cooking people alive"
little dramatic don't ya think ?
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weird people keep trying to focus on the diction of whoever was quoted as if the hyperbole was the significant information in the article

it's almost as if focusing on this immaterial bit is an intentional gambit to distract from the actual topic of discussion
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Nonsensical bullshit.

Those prisons did not provide those prisoners with water.

Please DO NOT make excuses for what Texas has done.
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The Texas prisons aren't providing water? I was unaware of that and, if that's actually the case, then that is certainly cruel and unusual. That also has nothing to do with the heat because people need food and water to live. If the Texas prisons aren't providing both of those then we need a congressional inquiry. That's IF because I suspect that you're completely wrong about that assertion.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Nope. This is utter nonsense.

41 people have died as a result of what the State of Texas is doing. Your denials do not change that.

Then there is this:

You are trying to play down the severity of what Texas has done and continues to do.
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lets put this to rest -

"It's not clear how much of a role, if any, the heat played in the 23 deaths," the newspaper continued. "TDCJ spokesperson Amanda Hernandez said last month it is inaccurate to label any death as heat-related before an investigation is complete."

there - donee
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Not really, no.

People are dying of heat-related issues in Texas and Texas is lying about it to avoid responsibility.
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"It's not clear how much of a role, if any, the heat played in the 23 deaths," the newspaper continued. "TDCJ spokesperson Amanda Hernandez said last month it is inaccurate to label any death as heat-related before an investigation is complete."
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Nonsensical bullshit.

Those prisons did not provide those prisoners with water.

Please DO NOT make excuses for what Texas has done.
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The Texas prisons aren't providing water? I was unaware of that and, if that's actually the case, then that is certainly cruel and unusual. That also has nothing to do with the heat because people need food and water to live. If the Texas prisons aren't providing both of those then we need a congressional inquiry. That's IF because I suspect that you're completely wrong about that assertion.
 
Diomedes said:
They did not put glass on their buildings.
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Interestingly enough, Egyptians are generally considered to be the first ones to use glass windows and that started over 2000 years ago.
 
Lutherf said:
Interestingly enough, Egyptians are generally considered to be the first ones to use glass windows and that started over 2000 years ago.
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What is left standing today suggests that they were smart enough not to use it.
 
Lutherf said:
The Texas prisons aren't providing water? I was unaware of that and, if that's actually the case, then that is certainly cruel and unusual. That also has nothing to do with the heat because people need food and water to live. If the Texas prisons aren't providing both of those then we need a congressional inquiry. That's IF because I suspect that you're completely wrong about that assertion.
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If I am wrong, I will be happy to admit it, but there was an inmate who specifically commented on not being given access to water.
 
stealthycat said:
"It's not clear how much of a role, if any, the heat played in the 23 deaths," the newspaper continued. "TDCJ spokesperson Amanda Hernandez said last month it is inaccurate to label any death as heat-related before an investigation is complete."
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Texas is lying.

Autopsies completed on some of those people confirmed the cause(s) of death were heat related.
 
Grand Mal said:
Crap attitude. You guys have frail old people in prisons, you have people doing life for pot, you have about 25% of the world's prisoners locked up- their health and safety is your responsibility.
Texas has joined Latin American banana republics and African dictatorships.
Maybe you ought to go medievel- no prisons, just hanging and branding and various degrees of amputation.
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Grand Mal careful. In Canada we have the exact same problems and are jail conditions are not any better. I have been in plenty of prisons as a lawyer on both sides(some say being one I should be in jail as we are all criminals). Trust me some of our prisons are as bad as it gets.

The irony is the same law and order people who want everyone locked up don't address the lack of prisons and the ones that exist and are falling apart. I faced much ridicule trying to create what we called restorative justice programs to try other processes other than jail time to deal with crime to deal with the over-crowding.

Its a lose lose. If you raise taxes to build more prisons people bitch. If you do not build the prisons people bitch.

Trying to put mentally ill people and drug addicts who are not entrenched in criminal behaviour in half way houses, out patient treatment programs, work projects, ankle monitors, might work.

In Canada we could try send convicts to work camps up North to build schools, hospitals, roads, etc., for rural native villages but their individual legal rights only allow that on a volunteer basis and even then no one wants to do it.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
I appreciate your service. I also served in the military. I have paid taxes my entire life.

We will have to disagree on this.

Democrats created regulation to keep corporate scumbags and dishonest business criminals in check. It had nothing to do with controlling anybody. It had to do with keeping scumbags from hurting people.

Texas is not going to murder people by proxy and get away with it. The government of that State must be held absolutely accountable. Their budget surplus needs to be seized and used to put air conditioning in ALL prisons in that state. The rest of it is forfeit and should be donated to charities that help with food banks, abortion services, medical services for the poor, as well as providing schools with new books, computers, and updated facilities.

Gregg Abbott and his co-Nazi Lt. Governor both belong in a cell until they day they die.
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So you don't like Gov Abbott because he is tough on illegal aliens?
What a surprise.
No one will hold Gov Abbott accountable for any death in a prison caused by excessive heat.
That's like expecting Trump to spend any time in a jail.
 
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