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Texas inmates being "cooked alive" without AC

I suppose you are right.

In the big picture Biden's naps are more important that the government potentially killing innocent Americans​

Well, let us be clear: Most of the people here are guilty of a variety of offenses. It is just that a government should not be holding people in life threatening conditions whether or not they are guilty or innocent.
 
Oh Yeah, I had to mow my lawn in 100-degree heat last week.
No one campaigned for me to receive a donated riding mower with an air-conditioned cab over me. I'd like to come to this site to get sympathy for my plight but too many Progressive/Liberals here do not care for my suffering.

Were you forced to mow the lawn in these conditions by the govt?

Or are you still trying to pretend you're confused?
 
I'm not following you. Are you saying that state prison systems should be trusted?
NO. I would never say that about anyone. :cool:

I am saying most states don't have HVAC for their state prisons. This includes such lovely places as Arizona, NY, and Mississippi.
 
again, I'd bet if any died they were already sick, obese, compromised .... the heat of 100 degree days isn't killers

If folks literally dying from the heat is insufficient,
What criteria must be met for you to consider the heat to be considered deadly?


if it were, nobody would have lived through the 1700's and 1800's summers in the USA before AC
So as long as at least one somebody survives the heat, the heat is not deadly?

Do you honestly believe that?
Or are you just looking to get attention?

Or do you honestly think no one died of the heat until the 21st Century?
 
NO. I would never say that about anyone. :cool:

I am saying most states don't have HVAC for their state prisons. This includes such lovely places as Arizona, NY, and Mississippi.

That is horrible and should be changed. Especially with the advent of global warming.
 
Well, let us be clear: Most of the people here are guilty of a variety of offenses. It is just that a government should not be holding people in life threatening conditions whether or not they are guilty or innocent.

yeah

I'm working with the material they give me, tho
 
NO. I would never say that about anyone. :cool:

I am saying most states don't have HVAC for their state prisons. This includes such lovely places as Arizona, NY, and Mississippi.

If that's true then they should have A/C. Multiple wrongs don't make a right.
 
why ?

they did crimes, they need to do the time they were sentenced and hopefully never do crime again - prison is supposed to be tough, hard, and some place you never want to go back to

my Dad was 5' in a ditch laying sewer pipes and shoveling dirt in 1980 ..... my granddad plowed fields with a mule in 1936

they lived - I don't know why a prisoner is more deserving of AC than the men who worked hard over the last 200 years

I'm betting is prisoners DID die of heat related they were fat, obese, out of shape, already sick people ..... again, no ... I have compassion for unborn babies, innocent people who've done the right things in life .... way more compassion there than from career criminals, murderers, rapists etc

The loss of their freedom is the punishment.
Hasving them bake in extreme conditions is just cruelty for the same of it.
 
Don't misperceive a disagreement here. (y)

Like I said, I couldn't tell what you were saying. Especially when we have some others in this thread arguing for cruel and unusual punishment.
 
Are you able to speak in anything other than ironic quips anymore, Lutherf? Do you think people held in custody by the government should be subjected to literally life-threatening conditions?

If you or a loved one are wrongfully mis-identified as being a suspect of a violent crime, should the government be allowed to hold you without bail over the weekend in a jail block with temperatures that exceed 120 degrees Fahrenheit?
Oh FFS.

Great. Nobody in prison is really guilty of anything...other than J6 defendants. We have always had air conditioning and denying people such treatment is akin to trying to kill them. I get all that and, like I said, you people have changed my mind and I now believe that A/C is a human right that government MUST provide to all living beings...except J6 defendants because they aren't human.
 
Like I said, I couldn't tell what you were saying. Especially when we have some others in this thread arguing for cruel and unusual punishment.
Personally, as noted, I would be for newbuilds having AC, and others when refurbushed being retrofitted as part of that.

While I personally agree with many persons work without AC, and some are forced to exist without AC, expectations of society change. Inmates used to not be permitted exercise, receive medical care, etc. Expectations and science change.
 
Oh Yeah, I had to mow my lawn in 100-degree heat last week.
No one campaigned for me to receive a donated riding mower with an air-conditioned cab over me. I'd like to come to this site to get sympathy for my plight but too many Progressive/Liberals here do not care for my suffering.

Oh stop.

You were not locked in a cement cell in 100+ degree heat. You had access to water and could leave when you wanted. Those inmates had neither.
 
Were you forced to mow the lawn in these conditions by the govt?

Or are you still trying to pretend you're confused?
My common sense forces me to mow my lawn in order to prevent harming the environment with dry, high grass that can catch fire and endanger the neighborhood.
I should get credit for being environmentally mindful instead of having to answer a rhetorical 'gotcha' question comparing my common sense decision to whether the 'government' is forcing me to mow my lawn.
 
Oh FFS.

Great. Nobody in prison is really guilty of anything...other than J6 defendants. We have always had air conditioning and denying people such treatment is akin to trying to kill them. I get all that and, like I said, you people have changed my mind and I now believe that A/C is a human right that government MUST provide to all living beings...except J6 defendants because they aren't human.

This has nothing to do with people in prison deserving to be there, that's a completely different debate.

This topic is about the people in prison being trapped in conditions that can kill them.
They can't just move to another room or go somewhere in the shade as that's kind of the whole point of prison.

The simple fact that you condone keeping anyone in conditions where death is a possibility due to heat as startling.

Are you a Christian and what does the faith say about treating people?
 
My common sense forces me to mow my lawn in order to prevent harming the environment with dry, high grass that can catch fire and endanger the neighborhood.
I should get credit for being environmentally mindful instead of having to answer a rhetorical 'gotcha' question comparing my common sense decision to whether the 'government' is forcing me to mow my lawn.

As long as we're clear that you're comparing apples and moon rocks.

Feel free to keep posting nonsense, then.


Oh, yeah.

Here's you credit: +1 credit
be happy
 
Oh stop.

You were not locked in a cement cell in 100+ degree heat. You had access to water and could leave when you wanted. Those inmates had neither.
Poor convicted prisoners being punished for their transgressions.
They would certainly have an incentive to not commit a future crimes that would put them in the same unpleasant conditions.
Maybe lack of AC would lower the recidivism rate for criminals let out of prison.
But criminals are not very smart so I doubt it.
 
If folks literally dying from the heat is insufficient,
What criteria must be met for you to consider the heat to be considered deadly?



So as long as at least one somebody survives the heat, the heat is not deadly?

Do you honestly believe that?
Or are you just looking to get attention?

Or do you honestly think no one died of the heat until the 21st Century?

of course heat can affect people - nobody said it didn't


allegedly prisons are "cooking people alive"

little dramatic don't ya think ?
 
My common sense forces me to mow my lawn in order to prevent harming the environment with dry, high grass that can catch fire and endanger the neighborhood.
I should get credit for being environmentally mindful instead of having to answer a rhetorical 'gotcha' question comparing my common sense decision to whether the 'government' is forcing me to mow my lawn.

Who is forcing you to mow the lawn when it's baking hot and why don't you just tell them to "Go **** themselves!"?

Are you that wimpy that you do anything people ask regerdless of personal comfort?
 
The loss of their freedom is the punishment.
Hasving them bake in extreme conditions is just cruelty for the same of it.

they're not "baking"

good gawd
 
This has nothing to do with people in prison deserving to be there, that's a completely different debate.

This topic is about the people in prison being trapped in conditions that can kill them.
They can't just move to another room or go somewhere in the shade as that's kind of the whole point of prison.

The simple fact that you condone keeping anyone in conditions where death is a possibility due to heat as startling.

Are you a Christian and what does the faith say about treating people?
You do understand that people working outdoors in severe heat can also die from heat prostration. I condone having people find other jobs that do not involve risking their lives by working in inhospitable conditions.
Because prisoners are prisoners paying their debts through incarceration, they justifiably don't have such a choice.
 
Poor convicted prisoners being punished for their transgressions.
They would certainly have an incentive to not commit a future crimes that would put them in the same unpleasant conditions.
Maybe lack of AC would lower the recidivism rate for criminals let out of prison.
But criminals are not very smart so I doubt it.

Again, the loss of their freedom is the punishment.
I really hope nobody you know is ever in a prison as you'll seemingly treat with like utter shit and for some reason feel proud to do so.
 
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