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Texas Democrats leaving state to stop GOP voting bill

W_Heisenberg said:
I think if you are acting in good faith and want to advance the discussion you should recognize the bad faith on the part of your political allies. None of this is happening in a vacuum. It’s not as if we exist in a world where the Republicans and Trump supporters are perfect, never wrong about anything, are always acting in good faith, and the world would magically transform itself into a utopia if Democrats just did every single thing they wanted. That is the basic frame of reference from which most Trump supporters and Republicans have been brainwashed, tricked, and fooled into believing and it’s not at all helpful. So maybe drop the ridiculous and stupid allegations of voter fraud, acknowledge it’s a scam, and that would be super helpful. K? Thanks.
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They try, sometimes even their own caucus won't vote for some of their stupidest ideas.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I think if you are acting in good faith and want to advance the discussion you should recognize the bad faith on the part of your political allies. None of this is happening in a vacuum. It’s not as if we exist in a world where the Republicans and Trump supporters are perfect, never wrong about anything, are always acting in good faith, and the world would magically transform itself into a utopia if Democrats just did every single thing they wanted. That is the basic frame of reference from which most Trump supporters and Republicans have been brainwashed, tricked, and fooled into believing and it’s not at all helpful. So maybe drop the ridiculous and stupid allegations of voter fraud, acknowledge it’s a scam, and that would be super helpful. K? Thanks.
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"...the ridiculous and stupid allegations of voter fraud"

The fact is, voter fraud happens. The good news is that with election integrity, it protect's your party's chosen candidate. Don't you want your party's win to be safe, secured, protected, and verified by audit?
 
ModG23 said:
Republicans greatest fear is Texas will go Blue. That’s why they are suppressing the vote.
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The only way TX will go blue is by Democrats cheating. That’s the real reason they are against a bill that makes it all but impossible to cheat.
 
Ikari said:
If by "functionally clean water" you mean no affect on biological systems; then functionally clean is good enough.

lol, you think you getting 100% clean water out of the tap? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Get out of here with your dipshit argument about how zero needs to be obtained. 0.0012% didn't even leave a scratch. Dumb ****ing argument to excuse voting access restrictions. ****ing Red Coat States and their anti-American policies. They should all move to China.
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What are the “access restrictions” in this bill?
 
NWRatCon said:
National Review, that bastion of rational, moderate thinking - not.
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Messenger-killing, the refuge of those who have nothing else to contribute.
 
BlueTex said:
You seem to be suggesting a majority GOP is a good thing but Texas must prevent a majority DNC. Is that your position? If so, why?
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Im suggesting that Texas's culture of freedom is a good thing. And that they should do something to make sure liberal socialism doesnt continue to creep in. That doesnt mean preventing a DNC majority, but I dont know what it means.
 
jonny5 said:
Im suggesting that Texas's culture of freedom is a good thing. And that they should do something to make sure liberal socialism doesnt continue to creep in. That doesnt mean preventing a DNC majority, but I dont know what it means.
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LOL... "Culture of freedom" unless you are person of color...
 
gbg3 said:
We'll watch and see. The law will pass in Texas, IMO, and the Dems will make complete fools of themselves and their party in the meantime.
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Yes, we will watch and see. The law will definitely pass in Texas and the Democratic "get out the vote" initiatives will be huge. Young voters demonstrated against the laws in Texas yesterday and they are the fastest growing voter demographic in Texas, they also came out in record numbers in 2020 and they are ticked. New restrictions don't bring out new voters but passion and commitment does. As you say ........we'll see.
 
j-mac said:
What are the “access restrictions” in this bill?
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Are there any claims of widespread voter fraud in Texas, any evidence? It might be one thing to roll back any "special" rules that were put in place for Covid and mandatory voter ID the right thing to do but any law/rule that limits voting in any way from that which was in place previously is restrictive by definition.
 
j-mac said:
The only way TX will go blue is by Democrats cheating. That’s the real reason they are against a bill that makes it all but impossible to cheat.
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"I'm looking for 11,000 votes" - Donald J. Trump to Georgia Election Officials. :rolleyes:
 
Cardinal said:
You’re making the protest the story and not the thing Democrats are protesting. In other words, you’re concerned solely with the aesthetics of Democrats walking on a special session, and not that they’re trying to protect democracy by stopping republicans from establishing one party rule through oppressive anti-voter legislation. I believe that what Democrats are doing is right because they’re protecting the greatest and most central value of America itself. And if you value a procedural legislative rule more, then you really don’t think that democracy is important, and don’t think it’s worth protecting.
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The protest is the story. Democrats walking out on a regular session, and then a special session, to derail the state legislature. There is no attempt at "one party rule" (this one is particularly silly). No 'oppressive anti-voter legislation' - again, it's very minor changes.
 
Callen said:
Yes, we will watch and see. The law will definitely pass in Texas and the Democratic "get out the vote" initiatives will be huge. Young voters demonstrated against the laws in Texas yesterday and they are the fastest growing voter demographic in Texas, they also came out in record numbers in 2020 and they are ticked. New restrictions don't bring out new voters but passion and commitment does. As you say ........we'll see.
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This isn't about just Texas...
 
jpn said:
Democrats are claiming that making voting on Sunday mornings illegal is targeted like a laser beam at Blacks. Because it obviously is.

Reasonable people can't deny that.
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Reasonable people can't make a claim like that with a straight face.
 
dcsports said:
Reasonable people can't make a claim like that with a straight face.
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You honestly don't think that this change is aimed at "Souls to the Polls" . What other group in Texas organizes busloads of voters to go vote after church? Having said that, I was under the impression that the GOP realized that was likely to be challenged by the DOJ and dropped it from the Bill.
 
Nickyjo said:
There apparently has been a tradition in black churches of car pooling people to Sunday voting following services, perhaps to help people without transportation or who have some disabilities. It’s commonly called “souls to the polls.” Some GOP-sponsored bills have restricted Sunday hours or banned Sunday voting.
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There's no 'tradition'. It hasn't been done that long. These 'voter sundays' have been done by some churches in the last few election cycles - and somehow that's been turned into a racial thing. It's only allowed in a handful of states, and a few states are rolling it back because Sundays are harder to staff and light attendance - they want to focus the early voting days when people use them.
 
Rexedgar said:
I was wondering who was picking up the tab. The legislators have to stay away for 27 days. Who is going to put them up in DC?
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The Democratic Caucus in Texas is paying for it. It is a fund that the Representatives pay into themselves.
 
dcsports said:
There's no 'tradition'. It hasn't been done that long. These 'voter sundays' have been done by some churches in the last few election cycles - and somehow that's been turned into a racial thing. It's only allowed in a handful of states, and a few states are rolling it back because Sundays are harder to staff and light attendance - they want to focus the early voting days when people use them.
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What business is it of your or the state how voters get to the polls?
 
Callen said:
You honestly don't think that this change is aimed at "Souls to the Polls" . What other group in Texas organizes busloads of voters to go vote after church? Having said that, I was under the impression that the GOP realized that was likely to be challenged by the DOJ and dropped it from the Bill.
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No, it's a ridiculous claim on many levels. It's about trying to maximize days when people will vote, and when people will volunteer to work the polls. And they were talking about dropping one sunday, the earlier one, not all. It's about efficient use of resources.

And you are right, they dropped it because of the outcry. It wasn't that big of a deal.
 
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