The problem I have with that, is that means when it's a civilian's family, they're not putting forth as much effort to tack down the bad guys. I'e always had a problem with that.
The AB is a fringe extremist group/prison gang. Might as well be the type of scumbag who tried to tie the weather men into mainstream American liberalism if you' re going down that route.
Thirty-four alleged members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas (ABT) gang, including four of its most senior leaders, have been indicted by a federal grand jury in Houston for allegedly conspiring to participate in a racketeering enterprise, announced Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division; U.S. Attorney Kenneth Magidson of the Southern District of Texas; Special Agent in Charge Melvin D. King of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) Houston Division; and FBI Special Agent in Charge Stephen L. Morris of the Houston Field Office.
The 17-count superseding indictment was returned by a federal grand jury on October 22, 2012, and unsealed today in U.S. District Court in the Southern District of Texas. Fourteen individuals were taken into custody today, and 15 defendants charged in the superseding indictment are already in custody. Five defendants, whose photos are at the conclusion of this release, remain at large.
Your position requires that you ignore their political beliefs and actions so that you can claim that they have no political beliefs, and even if they do, they haven't acted on them
The fact remains that they have committed political crimes outside of prison.
During the period from spring of 1984 through the summer of 1985, the Texas Aryan
Brotherhood established itself as "the mad dog" of TDC10. Unlike the gangs which often waited
for an opportunity to "hit" a target when "the man" was not around, the AB appears to have
openly courted the reputation as "crazy MFers" as they often wrote to and about each other
during this period. Hits were regularly attempted in the presence of staff and other inmates.
The desire to build and keep an extreme reputation was so great that an inmate only two months from
parole actually murdered another inmate during an administrative segregation recreation period
that he knew was being videotaped. The assailant was a member of another gang making his
"bones" in order to get into the AB, and the inmate he stabbed 24 times with an eight inch
homemade knife was a Brotherhood member accused of having given written testimony against
another AB member in the matter of the homicide of a black inmate almost a year earlier.11
My take is that the AB are simply an extremely violent group of prison gangsters. Their mission is to intimidate, not bring about social change. As is mentioned here, in the report about the Texas Aryan Brotherhood:
I agree that all the ingredients are there.My take is that you'll continue to repeat the same nonsense, no matter how many times it has been debunked
I just can't accept them as a legitimate RW group outside the prison walls. However, that's not to say they can't be, especially as they gain more and more power outside those walls.The cultural baggage, moralism, and fundamentalism outlined by Lipset and Raab as
components of the political dynamics of right-wing extremist movements is evidenced in the
importance placed on the customs, mores and lifestyles symbolic of the lost group status. The
"Creed of the Aryan Brotherhood" romanticizes a philosophy of moral solidarity by stating that
an Aryan Brother "walks where the weak and heartless won't dare". The moralistic tone of the
creed which also states that "for an Aryan Brother, death holds no fear, vengeance will be his
through his brothers still here", symbolically differentiates ABT members from other groups.
The ABT tattoo also designates the wearer as a member of a distinctly superior group. The
process by which a member is "tacked" is given the symbolic significance of gained status,
thereby elevating the group itself to a position of superiority.
The fundamental religious and moral base of the ABT philosophy is evident in its choice of
tattoo design. Consisting of a swastika, lightening bolts, and a crowned sword, the tattoo is
illustrative of white power and a willingness to die for the cause, as one inmate put it, "because
whites are the crowning glory of man .
I agree that all the ingredients are there.
I just can't accept them as a legitimate RW group outside the prison walls. However, that's not to say they can't be, especially as they gain more and more power outside those walls.
Federal prosecutor over Aryan Brotherhood racketeering case in Houston withdraws due to security concerns
Jay Hileman, an assistant U.S. attorney in Houston, has withdrawn from a large Aryan Brotherhood of Texas racketeering case due to security concerns.
Richard O. Ely II, a Houston defense attorney who is representing one of the 34 defendants, said Hileman sent him an email on Tuesday, informing him that he was off the case.
Ely said another Justice Department prosecutor from Washington D.C. will be assigned to the case to replace Hileman.
That person will join David Karpel, an attorney with DOJ’s gang unit, who is already assigned to the case. Ely said the case will continue to be prosecuted in Houston.
The Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is a key focus in the investigation of the recent murders of the Kaufman County district attorney and one of his prosecutors. No evidence has emerged tying the prison gang to the killings. No one has been charged or named as a suspect.
District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife, Cynthia, were found shot to death in their homes on Saturday. About two months earlier, felony prosecutor Mark Hasse was gunned down in a parking lot near the county courthouse.
Ely said Hileman, who he called a good friend of his, is likely concerned about his family after the killing of the DA and his wife.
“He’s obviously made a decision based on something,” Ely said.
Ely said he received death threats when he was a prosecutor.
“Law enforcement takes it very seriously,” he said.
As predicted, you are merely repeating the same nonsense even though it has been debunked.
No it hasn't You are voicing your opinion. Few people recognize the AB prison gang as a RW organization. Thugs, gangsters, white supremacists...anarchists maybe defines them best. They have no standing as a right wing organization. They are criminals first and foremost.
lol congress = criminals.Not really. It is a fact that AB is rightwing and a fact that a number of people and orgs recognize AB as a RW org.
Your words about how they are also criminals is just more of the same debunked nonsense.
Most members of congress are criminals first and foremost. It doesn't mean they can't be right or left wing
The majority of ABT members were expressive approvers who joined the group for protection
from what they perceived as a surge in black on white assaults (particularly sexual assaults).
Many previously unaffiliated white inmates felt the need to associate themselves with the
Brotherhood in response to the unsubstantiated declarations by AB members that black inmates
were indiscriminately victimizing white inmates.
lol congress = criminals.
There is no question the AB has roots in RW white supremacism. It basically formed as a unifying force for every white-hater group known to man. But, it's first and foremost a prison gang.
As predicted
Still irrelevant
Several ABT members believed that status rested more in economic power than in the group's
ability to terrorize blacks. The social dynamics that drove the white extremist movement within
the prison system had begun to change. The social organization of the prison no longer provided
enough chaos to consistently fuel the ABT as a right-wing extremist movement. By March of
1988, prison gang coordinators were listing one-fifth of the total ABT membership as "exmembers".
The group that was once feared as the most violent and unpredictable within the
system had degenerated into a very small number of what Lipset and Raab refer to as joiners
allied with several groups of expressive approvers who dislike blacks and most other minorities
but are not motivated by a comprehensive loyalty to the group.
http://www.americanjustice.com/images/abt1.pdf
"This racial **** has the heat on us to begin with... TAB is an organized crime family
not the KKK or the Aryan Nations." He further states: "This turmoil from within has
got to stop... no more power plays and no more Aryan Nation's ****."
BS. Here's the smoking gun which burns your theory to the ground:
The group morphed into a criminal enterprise...while the RW extremists faded away.
Think about it. It's like I said back around page 1: Nobody cares about politics when money is involved except to use it as a tool to recruit members and hoodwink the stupid. It's about the money.
This is just more of the same nonsense I predicted
This is just more of the same nonsense I predicted
Do you even have a point, other than trying to label all Conservatives as racists?
Let's all grow up and except the reality here that the AB isn't a political orginization. They hate everybody and want to sell drugs. That's purdy much what they're about.
I'm sure prison rape fits in there, somewhere
I was reading through this thread (admittedly didn't read it all), and I just wanted to point why the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas was suspected in this case. Kaufman county has been working on prosecuting a raketeering case against members of the Aryan brotherhood of Texas. The fear of this connection is so great, that the assistant US attorney removed himself from the case;
I've seen a lot of political debate as to the side of the isle the people doing these murders belong to. It's seems quite pointless to me, as they are clearly not interested politics or governement at all. For the same reasons I don't hold Islamic people responsible for the actions of extremists, I would never never venture to blame a political party for the actions of Aryan extremist. Just something to think about.
I see it as you who is holding onto a lost cause. You were wrong. Admit it. I challenge you to provide us any proof that the modern AB is in any way shape or form a political RW org. And, don't just C&P some BS from their archaic constitution.
They are a criminal enterprise.
Thank you for such a thoughtful and informative post. And you're right; this is something to think about. Trying to connect the Aryan Brotherhood to any political party is disturbing.
Nope, you're still repeating the same old straw man that AB is not a political group
Nope, you're still repeating the same old straw man that AB is not a political group
Post their official platform, then.
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