another lie... you haven't explained ****.. neither has your buddy.
you provided the 3 characteristics and the platform.....that's it... nothing more....well, you provided claims too... just no explanation, no substantiation, no corroboration... nothing.
do i need to do your work for you ..again?
did you just really declare victory?..seriously?...dear lord, what utter buffoonery..... it does fit your "debate" style though....valueless and lacking in facts.
NO dear, I said, that by the criteria presented, specifically the US Pat Act, their acts would define their organization as terrorist.Nothing I wrote concerns the FBI defining them as such, it concerns prosecution of similar crimes (those based on criminal interests, like stopping a criminal investigation into racketeering) under terrorism laws. Because you are claiming the group who committed a criminally motivated act is a terroist organization, because their crime can be prosecuted under it.
No, I posted several links. Your claim that I only posted one link is a lie.
That's why I'm not going to quote from the link...because you'll ignore the quote just as you ignored the links
Aryan Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Aryan Nations is a white supremacist or "white Christian separatist" religious organization originally based in Hayden Lake, Idaho. Richard Girnt Butler founded the group in the 1970s, as an arm of the Christian Identity organization Church of Jesus Christ–Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",[1] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.[2]
Your post is a lie. The very next sentence after the one you just referred to describes the very close relationship between the two groups, so your lie was a dellberate one
In 1987, Aryan Nation began publishing a "prison outreach newsletter" called The Way, which has facilitated recruitment and connections between Aryan nations and its offspring, Aryan Brotherhood, a network of prison gang members.
NO dear, I said, that by the criteria presented, specifically the US Pat Act, their acts would define their organization as terrorist.
There's no way to stop 100% of the crimes out there. This is a prime example of why totin a gun isn't such a bad idea.
McLelland said he carried a gun everywhere he went, even to walk his dog around town, a bedroom community for the Dallas area. He figured assassins were more likely to try to attack him outside. He said he had warned all his employees to be constantly on the alert.
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The McLellands were killed almost exactly two months after Hasse was shot to death in broad daylight outside the county courthouse on January 31.
Hasse had feared for his life and carried a gun to work, said a Dallas attorney who described herself as his longtime friend.
It is amazing that you would deny ANY link.....and when it is presented, crushing your absolute, you still can't have enough class to concede even this small point.from your link ( i'm not lazy, i'll post it for you.. freeloader)
there ya go people.. there's your "strong" "intimate" link........a prison newsletter. :lol:
yeah yeah, i know you folks were hoping for something with substance, a lil meat on it... but meh.. it's sangha... we know how he rolls.
We showed how the AB's constitution fulfilled the definition of RWA
You'll just ignore that the way you ignored what the ADL said about the close link betweem AN and AB
That is YOUR definition.....if you wish to disprove that any prosecutions have occurred under your criteria.....by all means seek them out.right, so show me similar criminally motivated acts prosecuted as such
It is amazing that you would deny ANY link.....and when it is presented, crushing your absolute, you still can't have enough class to concede even this small point.
Stay classy, thrilla.
I linked to the FBI. They didn't define them as a terrorist group, but a criminal gang, like the mafia
All you see is the "newsletter", and even though it is further stated that this created connections, well so what, it was just a newsletter.I don't deny they share a prison newsletter....I totally believe they do....i'm sure it's all about how great white people are and how inferior other races are, that's a belief they share.
it's certainly not a strong one... not an intimate one.. it's a very very very weak link... it can barely be described as a link.
And some people are confusing what I said with what they think I said.....even though the record exists.Some posters may be confusing the FBI with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
In that case, the FBI disagrees.
AN is a terrorist org according to the FBI, and AB is an offshoot of AN.
Pretty mixed bag; not exactly adhering to a Right Wing agenda.Aryan Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Allies: Mexican Mafia, Nazi Lowriders, Public Enemy No. 1,[2]Hells Angels, Gambino crime family,[3]Philadelphia crime family,[3]Irish Mob.[4]Ku Klux Klan, European Kindred, Juggalos[5]
Some posters may be confusing the FBI with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
All you see is the "newsletter", and even though it is further stated that this created connections, well so what, it was just a newsletter.
Again, you wanted an example from me of ANY connection, you got it...and still cannot with any grace, accept it.
You are so classy.
We showed how the AB's constitution fulfilled the definition of RWA
You'll just ignore that the way you ignored what the ADL said about the close link betweem AN and AB
In the early 1970s The Aryan Brotherhood had a connection with Charles Manson and the Manson Family. Several members of the Family, who were not in prison at the time, attempted to join forces. The Manson Family became split, the Comoites following former family member Kenneth Como, and the Mansonites following Manson. However, the relationship did not last long as the Aryan Brotherhood considered Manson "too leftist", and not racist enough for their group.
By the 1990s, the Aryan Brotherhood had shifted its focus away from killing for strictly racial reasons and focused on organized crime, such as drug trafficking, prostitution and sanctioned murders.[12] They took on organized crime-like powers, and may be more powerful than the Italian crime families within the prison system.
from your link ( i'm not lazy, i'll post it for you.. freeloader)
there ya go people.. there's your "strong" "intimate" link........a prison newsletter. :lol:
yeah yeah, i know you folks were hoping for something with substance, a lil meat on it... but meh.. it's sangha... we know how he rolls.
It is amazing that you would deny ANY link.....and when it is presented, crushing your absolute, you still can't have enough class to concede even this small point.
Stay classy, thrilla.
The very simple solution is just get more guns in Texas, those guys don't have enough guns. As the NRA has repeatedly spoke about, guns make us safer!
It describes AB as an "offspring" of AN. You don't get any closer than that
Case closed.
the Real IRA is clearly the offspring of the IRA, but the IRA totally disavows the real IRA and has absolutely no connection with the activities of the later.
Again, both the FBI and the SPLC refer to the organization as a criminal gang, both organizations have clear expertise in the area. But you two, who can't even differentiate between the Aryan nation and the Aryan brotherhood, are telling use there are deep connections between the two and the AB is a terrorist organization. Not simply a criminal enterprise like the SPLC and FBI contend
why should we even consider what you have to say, especially given the clear political motivations you two have?
Once they're released, some Aryan Brotherhood members commit terrible hate crimes in the name of Rahowa. The most infamous racially motivated murder since the civil rights era occurred in 1998, when three white men, two of them ex-cons, tied a black man, James Byrd Jr., to the back of their pickup truck with a logging chain, dragged him to death over three miles of country roads outside Jasper, Texas, and then deposited his shredded remains in front of a predominantly black cemetery. One of the ex-cons testified at his trial that he and one his accomplices had both joined the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas for protection from black inmates while they were incarcerated. When he rejoined society, his arms were covered with Aryan Brotherhood tattoos, including one depicting a black man being lynched. "You look at his arms," the trial prosecutor said, "and you see what's in his heart."
In October 2001, another member of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas who was enraged by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks gunned down a Bangladeshi gas station attendant simply because the victim "looked Arab."
The AB has reportedly toyed with terrorist plots of its own. In 2000, a longtime Brotherhood member and explosives expert-turned-government informant told federal investigators he had been approached by AB leaders inside Colorado's Supermax federal prison who asked him to provide them with technical information on making bombs in preparation for a series of attacks on federal buildings and officials across the country.
You are trying to conflate arguments I've made in order to refute them and doing a poor job of it.
The fact is that the AB is closely related to AN. My links proved that AB is an "offspring" of AN.
It is also fact that AB is a terrorist org. This is proven, not by the fact that they are linked to an org the FBI has declared to be terrorist, but because AB has engaged in politically motivated acts of violence.
like the IRA and the real IRA, that doesn't amount to anything of significance
neither the SPLC or the FBI think so. They refer to them as a criminal gang.
So you're only evidence of terrorist activity is one alleged incident about attacking federal building, which could ultimately deal with criminal motivations, as opposed to political interests, being that federal buildings house agencies like the FBI?
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