Depends on what camp you're in.
Those that want the wall now but voted against it, or spoke out against it, previously: It's about the politics.
Those that want the wall and have been consistent on that stance through out the years, its not about politics. Its about the need for a wall.
Those that don't want the wall, but previously voted for it, or spoke in favor of it,: It's about the politics.
Those that don't want the wall, and have been consistent on that stance throughout the years, its not about the politics. It's about there not being a need for a wall.
It's not so simple as it just being about politics. Nancy and Schumer have previously voted for it before, yet are now against it? That's pure politics. Trump probably wants it for an ego trip so its not about politics for him, its about vanity. Regardless of either of those three though, there are those that are in those other camps....which includes it not being about politics.
As for them being Democrats, its a good indication of which direction they would swing on any given issue. And with as divided as America is right now its really no surprise that they would come out against the wall. That they would twist facts is no surprise either. Both sides do twist facts. The only ones that have a chance at keeping either group "honest" are Independents...and even that has its own hazards.
I guess you like trafficking, and scores of murdered people at the hands of the violent illegals. Murders that would not have happened if these illegals were never here in the 1st place.
Yeah....the majority of illegals are damn nice people, but even they broke the law being here in the 1st place.
The rape rate in McAllen county increased by 44% in 2018. Guerra isn't being exactly honest.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw2CMTzLuw1GUvzRpQVNm14k&ust=1548523650106134
Yes but it all comes down to what the people that make decisions want.
When you say that Pelosi and Schumer were for the wall before but now are not, you are wrong. They offered $25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA people having a 14-year path to citizenship. That offer was not a sign they were "for the wall" but an exchange for a path to citizenship for DACA recipients, which represented a payment of about $30,000 for each DACA member for their citizenship. At the time, there were no protections for DACA members so they payment was worth it.
Since then, the Supreme Court ruled that they would not hear the case at this time until it runs its course in the lower courts, meaning that for now the DACA members cannot be deported. This has taken away the urgency to come up with a deal with Trump regarding DACA, also meaning the Democrats are no longer interested in the exchange for the path to citizenship, given that there is a good chance the Dreamers can get the path to citizenship through the courts, by-passing Trump entirely.
As such, the action of the Democrats is not political, just common sense. They are not "swinging" their votes, as you said.
Yes but it all comes down to what the people that make decisions want.
When you say that Pelosi and Schumer were for the wall before but now are not, you are wrong. They offered $25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA people having a 14-year path to citizenship. That offer was not a sign they were "for the wall" but an exchange for a path to citizenship for DACA recipients, which represented a payment of about $30,000 for each DACA member for their citizenship. At the time, there were no protections for DACA members so they payment was worth it.
Since then, the Supreme Court ruled that they would not hear the case at this time until it runs its course in the lower courts, meaning that for now the DACA members cannot be deported. This has taken away the urgency to come up with a deal with Trump regarding DACA, also meaning the Democrats are no longer interested in the exchange for the path to citizenship, given that there is a good chance the Dreamers can get the path to citizenship through the courts, by-passing Trump entirely.
As such, the action of the Democrats is not political, just common sense. They are not "swinging" their votes, as you said.
Manafort, Cohen, Stone - all Trump cronies, all under indictment.
Talk about corrupt.
But go ahead and sling mud at this guy because he doesn’t fall lockstep with the Corpulent One.
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I guess you like trafficking, and scores of murdered people at the hands of the violent illegals. Murders that would not have happened if these illegals were never here in the 1st place.
Yeah....the majority of illegals are damn nice people, but even they broke the law being here in the 1st place.
Trump's approval rating is 37%...try harder
Actually, he has the support of maybe a third of the country who’d vote for Adolf Hitler if he’d had an (R) next to his name and that’s about it.
It's a spurious argument because native citizens commit more crimes per capita than undocumented. Take any group a large amount of people and somebody is going to commit a crime. Even legal immigrants they're going to be crimes committed. The police stopped at you have to ban all traffic to and from this country. Apparently you cannot grasp the absurdity of your argument
You are twisting the data. It does not say that illegal aliens were responsible for the increase of rape.
Michael Light, a criminologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, looked at whether the soaring increase in illegal immigration over the last three decades caused a commensurate jump in violent crimes: murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
"Increased undocumented immigration since 1990 has not increased violent crime over that same time period," Light said in a phone interview.
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime
By being here they broke the law.
If employed they broke a second.
If employed with fake documents a third.
If driving an unregistered and/or uninsured car score fourth and perhaps fifth.
Any documentation signed that says the are a citizen or legal alien can be added.
Now I am a US native... I have one misdemeanor conviction. That is one vs. three, four or five more.
The rape rate in McAllen county increased by 44% in 2018. Guerra isn't being exactly honest.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw2CMTzLuw1GUvzRpQVNm14k&ust=1548523650106134
"A group of 180 migrants were apprehended by Arizona border agents Wednesday morning. Fernando Grijalva said the area has become a hotbed for illegal crossing.
"I've seen six different presidents at the time that I've been with the Border Patrol and this is the worst crisis that I've seen," he said."
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"Despite some lapses in the wall, Grijalva believes they still work.
"Operationally I can tell that you without a physical barrier at border patrol we have a very tough time succeeding," he said."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border...migrants-working-without-pay-during-shutdown/
The premise of this thread is that there isn't an emergency. Yes, there are illegal crossings, but the stats are way down over prior years.
If there wasn't an emergency when it was at it's peak, then there is no logic to assert there is an emergency now.
"worst crisis that I've seen" doesn't constitute an emergency to you? Wanna bet it does to Fernando Grijalva?
"worst crisis that I've seen" doesn't constitute an emergency to you? Wanna bet it does to Fernando Grijalva?
The statement by Agent Grijalva does seem a bit odd. He says he has worked during the terms of six presidents, which would be Trump, Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I and Reagan. One must ask where he was in 2000 and 2006 when the Border Patrol stopped more than 1.6 million people just on the southwestern border.
Approximately 300,000 were caught in the same area in 2018. How does that drop in apprehensions equate to the "worst crisis" this guy has ever seen?
I'm not clear about the numbers or the area you're referencing. Are you sure you're not talking about total apprehensions at the southern border?
He's talking about the area where he is. "Fernando Grijalva said the area has become a hotbed for illegal crossing."
The agent is still talking nonsense, or he has a really poor memory.
Local news site for Nogales, AZ Agents operating in the Nogales corridor have detained 53,000 undocumented migrants as of May 4. 2004
That's more apprehensions in four months than in all of 2018.
National emergency my ass.
Manafort, Cohen, Stone - all Trump cronies, all under indictment.
Talk about corrupt.
But go ahead and sling mud at this guy because he doesn’t fall lockstep with the Corpulent One.
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I guess you like trafficking, and scores of murdered people at the hands of the violent illegals. Murders that would not have happened if these illegals were never here in the 1st place.
Yeah....the majority of illegals are damn nice people, but even they broke the law being here in the 1st place.
Nonetheless, it is NOT an emergency. This problem has been going on for over 20 years (it is not unexpected or sudden). In addition, the problem is ameliorating given that every month for the past 5 years there have been less incidents (contrary to what Trump says). Last but not least, an emergency requires immediate action so it can be resolved. Even if the wall was approved, it would take years to build it, meaning that nothing would be solved in the short-term.
"worst crisis that I've seen" doesn't constitute an emergency to you? Wanna bet it does to Fernando Grijalva?
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