Texan kills burglars next door, citing 'castle doctrine'

[BubbaBob]

Texas is the only state in the union that allows a citizen to kill in defense of HIS OWN property. I am not aware of any regulation that allows a man to kill a man over the property of another.

:mrgreen:

Wrong...Florida and Georgia do as well.

I guess we southerners have a little stronger belief in private property rights and out constitutionally assurred right to defend them.

BubbaBob

 

[UtahBill]

In converstion with a friend, I said, "it takes all kinds", and he corrected me. He said, "it don't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds". His point was that we can do without the criminals. Sanctity of life should not apply to those who have chosen to live a life of crime. They know the chances of long and happy lives are poor when they choose that path.

 

[1069]

Sanctity of life should not apply to those who have chosen to live a life of crime. They know the chances of long and happy lives are poor when they choose that path.

That is not a philosophy that's likely to get you into heaven, UtahBill.
Just about everybody in my family is or has been a "criminal" at one time or another (out of us all, I'm the only one who hasn't ever done time; this is not because I've never broken the law. I think it's because I'm female, and also because I never drove until recently, so I sort of stayed below the law's line of vision); our lives are still sacred to us. None of us are violent. We don't expect violence to befall us. Neither property crimes nor drug crimes are violent crimes, and they do not deserve to be met with violence; certainly not with lethal violence.
I would not be surprised if the Devil has a very toasty circle of Hell ready and waiting for people who subscribe to your line of thinking.

But you could more or less apply the above reasoning to both cops and soldiers. Then it would actually make sense. Live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.

 

[UtahBill]

But you could more or less apply the above reasoning to both cops and soldiers. Then it would actually make sense. Live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.

That is exactly the kind of rationalizing that helps people to choose the path of personal destruction. Cops and soldiers answer to authority, criminals reject authority.
Someone who speeds once in awhile, does a doobie occasionally, or indulges in petty theft from an employer is certainly not in the same class as a career criminal.
I have one relative in prison, a nephew. He used someone else's checkbook, and it was a second offense. He is likely to meet up with violent criminals while doing his time. His crime was done with a pen, but he is living with people who have done much worse. If his time in the pokey isn't enough to change his mind about his lifestyle, then the family may just give up on him.
Surely your family members chose their own path?

 

[1069]

Cops and soldiers answer to authority, criminals reject authority.

They're just people, subject to the same poor judgement as the rest of us.
The difference is, they're armed, and authorized to kill with impunity.

Surely your family members chose their own path?

There are a number of factors involved, including unusual and adverse circumstances and psychological illness.
There are behavioral disorders and impulse control issues which are ultimately of biological origin and are beyond anyone's ability to resolve or help. The best we can hope for is to keep them under control with medication.
I'm the only person in the whole damned family who isn't on some sort of psychotropic medication, and I'm supposed to be.

I don't believe these circumstances are unique.
I believe there's a beloved human face and mind and heart behind every "crime".
Unless your life depends upon it, don't kill people. You don't know what their circumstances are.
Don't kill them.
If there is a God, He will not forgive you for murdering needlessly.
He doesn't give a shit about your neighbor's property. He didn't make your neighbor's property. He made the criminal's life.
God will not forgive you for assigning a higher value to man's creation than to His.

This is not to say that i don't believe people who break the law should face consequences, should be punished.
I wish punishment involved more rehabilitative efforts, and i wish jails and prisons and especially juvenile facilities were safer places.

 

[UtahBill]

They're just people, subject to the same poor judgement as the rest of us.
The difference is, they're armed, and authorized to kill with impunity.




. He didn't make your neighbor's property. He made the criminal's life.
God will not forgive you for assigning a higher value to man's creation than to His.

This is not to say that i don't believe people who break the law should face consequences, should be punished.
I wish punishment involved more rehabilitative efforts, and i wish jails and prisons and especially juvenile facilities were safer places.

Sorry, all I see is more rationalizing. First, most cops and soldiers do not kill with impunity. Some do, using the heat of war or a firefight to cover a crime, but it is still a crime. And very few of them choose to be targets of enemy combatants.
The least attempt to equate a cop/soldier to a criminal is ridiculous, and those attempting to do so are minimalizing their credibility.
God may be behind the criminal's birth, or his life, but his career path is his own doing. God didn't tell me to join the navy, learn a trade, be a technician, etc. and he didn't tell any of our criminals to steal, rape, rob, kill, etc.
Rehabilitation will never have the success rate that good parenting has.
Not that you can blame it all on bad parenting. My nephew had the same good parents as his siblings, but he is the only one in jail. For the most part, choices we make as individuals determine our fate, but it would help some if we had the education to make better decisions that involve our futures.
Burglary will never be classified as a blue collar job....

 

[1069]

Burglary will never be classified as a blue collar job....

Burglary will never be classified as a capital crime deserving of the death penalty, not in a civilized society, and if you take life to protect property, you will answer to God, if you believe in Him.

 

[DeeJayH]

That is not a philosophy that's likely to get you into heaven, UtahBill.
Just about everybody in my family is or has been a "criminal" at one time or another (out of us all, I'm the only one who hasn't ever done time; this is not because I've never broken the law. I think it's because I'm female, and also because I never drove until recently, so I sort of stayed below the law's line of vision); our lives are still sacred to us. None of us are violent. We don't expect violence to befall us. Neither property crimes nor drug crimes are violent crimes, and they do not deserve to be met with violence; certainly not with lethal violence.
I would not be surprised if the Devil has a very toasty circle of Hell ready and waiting for people who subscribe to your line of thinking.

But you could more or less apply the above reasoning to both cops and soldiers. Then it would actually make sense. Live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.

did you just admit that you and your entire family are trash?
priceless:lol:

 

[1069]

did you just admit that you and your entire family are trash?
priceless:lol:

People aren't trash.
Besides, everybody breaks the law sometimes. Especially when they are young.

 

[SgtRock]

White Trash. Scottish white trash. A family of criminals, lovely. If my family were white trash criminals I don't think I would be telling people about it as if it were some sort of disorder. People who choose to live a life of crime have made that decission and they should live with the results. Some people because of there environment and there lack of upbringing may have a propensity to commit crimes this does not however indicate some sort of psychological disorder caused them to do so.

A friend of mine once invited me over for dinner. His wife, daughter, and three sons where all there sitting at the table. One of his sons started talking about a house that the boys had broken into the night before in casual conversation. I was shocked. Not so much because of what he said but because his parents (my friend included) did not even attempt to make stop telling the story. In fact his mother asked him if they ganked any jewelry.

Needless to say that was the end of our friendship. I considered calling CPS, but I found out his sons were members of the Eastside Loco's gang and I didn't want them to retaliate against my family. This happened almost 15 years ago. Today, one of the three boys is dead, one is in prison for armed robbery, the other did some time for posession of cocaine and has found Jesus. I understand he is married and has two children of his own. I agree it is true people can change and rise up out of a life of crime no matter the odds.

This does not however change my mind on defending life and property. It all boils down to personal responsibility. If you choose to be a criminal then you should pay the price for your crime. And in Texas that means if you break into someones home you could pay with your life. And an other thing, as a home owner how can you be sure that a burgler will not kill you or your family members if you are discovered. Should you not have the right to defend yourself and your property on that presumption alone.

BTW the daughter got knocked up at the age of 15, she is living with some thug in Oak Cliff Texas from what I understand.

Anyway this is a perfect example of someones upbringing and environment leading them to a life of crime. ~ Sgt Rock

 

[1069]

White Trash. Scottish white trash. A family of criminals, lovely. If my family were white trash criminals I don't think I would be telling people about it as if it were some sort of disorder. People who choose to live a life of crime have made that decission and they should live with the results. Some people because of there environment and there lack of upbringing may have a propensity to commit crimes this does not however indicate some sort of psychological disorder caused them to do so.

A friend of mine once invited me over for dinner. His wife, daughter, and three sons where all there sitting at the table. One of his sons started talking about a house that the boys had broken into the night before in casual conversation. I was shocked. Not so much because of what he said but because his parents (my friend included) did not even attempt to make stop telling the story. In fact his mother asked him if they ganked any jewelry.

Needless to say that was the end of our friendship. I considered calling CPS, but I found out his sons were members of the Eastside Loco's gang and I didn't want them to retaliate against my family. This happened almost 15 years ago. Today, one of the three boys is dead, one is in prison for armed robbery, the other did some time for posession of cocaine and has found Jesus. I understand he is married and has two children of his own. I agree it is true people can change and rise up out of a life of crime no matter the odds.

This does not however change my mind on defending life and property. It all boils down to personal responsibility. If you choose to be a criminal then you should pay the price for your crime. And in Texas that means if you break into someones home you could pay with your life. And an other thing, as a home owner how can you be sure that a burgler will not kill you or your family members if you are discovered. Should you not have the right to defend yourself and your property on that presumption alone.

BTW the daughter got knocked up at the age of 15, she is living with some thug in Oak Cliff Texas from what I understand.

Anyway this is a perfect example of someones upbringing and environment leading them to a life of crime. ~ Sgt Rock

I think the Vietnam war caused things to go off the rails, for my family.
Actually, previous generations were apparently crazy as well, but they owned most of the county and their money insulated them.
Since the 40s or 50s, that hasn't been the case. When they've engaged in illegal behavior, they've suffered consequences... although probably not to the extent they would've if they were poor and black.
It is notable that nearly all of these crimes were committed when the criminal in question had a "1" as the first digit of his or her age, and no, none of us are centagenarians.
The previous generation of my family was orphaned at an awkward time, a situation they were in no way prepared to deal with.
I was born when my dad was 20, and they pulled it together very admirably, for my sake, at that time.
They are good, kind, generous, gifted, admirable and intelligent people.
I would never want to belong to any other family, under any circumstances.

 

[DeeJayH]

People aren't trash.
Besides, everybody breaks the law sometimes. Especially when they are young.

but havent you admited to be on the third generation of trash, i mean criminals??????
arent you the one who admitted to not only breaking the law, but failing to pay taxes for almost all of your adult life????
arent you the one admitting to taking from others, wanting others to help the needy, yet not paying the taxes that do such????

I find you to be an absolute fraud on almost all your positions
you may be good with a search engine, but your admited life and families life, seems to indicate you are a leech of the system you refused to support, yet want others to support, and also want to increase
guess its easy to spend tax money when you dont pay taxes :roll:

if it looks like trash, and it smells like trash,....

 

[DeeJayH]

I think the Vietnam war caused things to go off the rails, for my family.
Actually, previous generations were apparently crazy as well, but they owned most of the county and their money insulated them.
Since the 40s or 50s, that hasn't been the case. When they've engaged in illegal behavior, they've suffered consequences... although probably not to the extent they would've if they were poor and black.
It is notable that nearly all of these crimes were committed when the criminal in question had a "1" as the first digit of his or her age, and no, none of us are centagenarians.
The previous generation of my family was orphaned at an awkward time, a situation they were in no way prepared to deal with.
I was born when my dad was 20, and they pulled it together very admirably, for my sake, at that time.
They are good, kind, generous, gifted, admirable and intelligent people.
I would never want to belong to any other family, under any circumstances.

i am sure life is very entertaining when you live in a criminal family with anarchy as the 'law'
too bad it affects other people in a negative manner

 

[Kandahar]

That is exactly the kind of rationalizing that helps people to choose the path of personal destruction. Cops and soldiers answer to authority, criminals reject authority.
Someone who speeds once in awhile, does a doobie occasionally, or indulges in petty theft from an employer is certainly not in the same class as a career criminal.

And what makes you think that the burglars whom you advocate murdering are all "career criminals"? Would you ask them before you shot them?

 

[1069]

guess its easy to spend tax money when you dont pay taxes

I pay taxes now. I didn't pay taxes for most of my life, because i couldn't afford to, and I honestly didn't understand the whole system, when I was younger. I didn't know I had to file. But I pay taxes now. I am paying back all the taxes I owe, plus the penalties. i'm on a payment plan.

i am sure life is very entertaining when you live in a criminal family with anarchy as the 'law'
too bad it affects other people in a negative manner

Actually, my life is fairly boring, as evidenced by the fact that I have little better to do with my leisure time than spend it diddling away on internet forums.
My family are not "anarchists"; they are regular middle-aged folks, well-known and respected in the community, good Catholics, very active in local environmental causes.
They don't effect anyone in "a negative manner". In 2005, they donated more to the tsunami relief effort than you will see in your lifetime, if you live to be a hundred years old.
Everybody was nuts in the late 60s and early 70s; kids unexpectedly left without parents or guidance might be expected to get into trouble, in such a time and place. They weren't violent; their intentions were good. They wanted to help stop the war. Only their methods were questionable.
A lot of the trouble they got into had to do with pot; a felony charge at the time, which would be a misdemeanor- or else nothing- now.

 

[UtahBill]

People aren't trash.
Besides, everybody breaks the law sometimes. Especially when they are young.

More rationalizing....don't you get it? First, your statement is only true if you include speeding, parking in the handicap zone, pilfering candy, and other stupid little things that are barely crimes.
There is a very large difference between petty stuff "when young" and the more serious stuff that actually gets into the felony level of crime.

 

[UtahBill]

And what makes you think that the burglars whom you advocate murdering are all "career criminals"? Would you ask them before you shot them?

and what makes you think I ever said that? got a quote from one of my posts? I think the guy could have shot them in the legs...but then they would just limp back some day and take revenge. Since it was a neighbor's house, he should have just called 911 and let the cops handle it. It is a lot easier for them to get away with "murder"....

who gives a rats *** about asking them if this is a one time thing or if they are career criminals? I suppose if they are in YOUR house, and armed, you are going to "reason with them". No, you will probably shoot them, if you can, before they do harm to you or your family.

Cops will tell you that ordinary burglars will RARELY enter an occupied home, but those criminals that do are not just burglars and they are not there to just steal your stuff. If these were ordinary burglars, bad luck for them. If they were career criminals, justice may have been served a bit early, but it was likely inevitable.

 

[1069]

More rationalizing....don't you get it? First, your statement is only true if you include speeding, parking in the handicap zone, pilfering candy, and other stupid little things that are barely crimes.
There is a very large difference between petty stuff "when young" and the more serious stuff that actually gets into the felony level of crime.

That's not my experience, Bill.
My experience is that people tend to settle down as they get older.
I understand that there are "lifetime" criminals, chronic recidivists, but I think this is very much related to generational poverty, and the impossibility of anything ever changing, the dearth of hope in the lives of the poor.
It is for their sake that I wish the penal system would focus some of its energies on rehabilitation, education, life skills, training, counseling, assessment and treatment for psychological illness and mental retardation, which in borderline cases (IQ 60-70) often goes undiagnosed until adulthood, especially in the poor.

Anyway, most states have these three-strikes-you're-out laws now; three felonies, and you're in prison for the rest of your life.
So don't worry about it.
It doesn't take most of them long to accrue three felony convictions, if they really put their minds to it. Then they're out of your hair forever.

 

[UtahBill]

That's not my experience, Bill.
My experience is that people tend to settle down as they get older.
I understand that there are "lifetime" criminals, chronic recidivists, but I think this is very much related to generational poverty, and the impossibility of anything ever changing, the dearth of hope in the lives of the poor.
It is for their sake that I wish the penal system would focus some of its energies on rehabilitation, education, life skills, training, counseling, assessment and treatment for psychological illness and mental retardation, which in borderline cases (IQ 60-70) often goes undiagnosed until adulthood, especially in the poor.

Anyway, most states have these three-strikes-you're-out laws now; three felonies, and you're in prison for the rest of your life.
So don't worry about it.
It doesn't take most of them long to accrue three felony convictions, if they really put their minds to it. Then they're out of your hair forever.

No, we still pay for their keep, prison ain't cheap....
But what IS cheap, by comparison, is a better education system. Part of their education should be that there is no free ride, no taking what is not yours, no nothing to be guaranteed beyond educational opportunities. Take advantage of the free education offered, or else. That isn't likely to happen as long as we have the ACLU and the more extreme liberals who want to protect us from ourselves...as long as they don't have to pay for it themselves.

 

[Jerry]

No, we still pay for their keep, prison ain't cheap....
But what IS cheap, by comparison, is a better education system. Part of their education should be that there is no free ride, no taking what is not yours, no nothing to be guaranteed beyond educational opportunities. Take advantage of the free education offered, or else. That isn't likely to happen as long as we have the ACLU and the more extreme liberals who want to protect us from ourselves...as long as they don't have to pay for it themselves.

A couple 9mm rounds aren't pricy either :2wave:

 

[DeeJayH]

I pay taxes now. I didn't pay taxes for most of my life, because i couldn't afford to, and I honestly didn't understand the whole system, when I was younger.

.
oh, i understand completely, because that whole tax system when you make minimum wage is so complicated you need an accountant
and if you cant afford to pay taxes, surely you can not afford an accountant
EXCUSE

I didn't know I had to file. But I pay taxes now. I am paying back all the taxes I owe, plus the penalties. i'm on a payment plan.

BS
everyone has heard about death and taxes
and its an EXCUSE anyway, a BS one, but an excuse none the less, that i do not buy

Actually, my life is fairly boring, as evidenced by the fact that I have little better to do with my leisure time than spend it diddling away on internet forums.

rather pathetic, but wouldnt expect you to be raising your children
oh, thats right, they are mature at 11
how about being active in your community, you know helping those poor people you are always crying about
btw hows living a fantasy life working out for you

My family are not "anarchists"; they are regular middle-aged folks, well-known and respected in the community, good Catholics, very active in local environmental causes.
They don't effect anyone in "a negative manner". In 2005, they donated more to the tsunami relief effort than you will see in your lifetime, if you live to be a hundred years old.

wow, they donated multi 7 figures to Tsunami relief
and yet you live in an apartment
yeah, that rings true :roll:
what do they do for america, or their community, besides inherit

Everybody was nuts in the late 60s and early 70s; kids unexpectedly left without parents or guidance might be expected to get into trouble, in such a time and place. They weren't violent; their intentions were good. They wanted to help stop the war. Only their methods were questionable.

oh, they had good intentions. well thats all that matters:roll:
the 60s & 70s :lol:
puh-lease
just how did america survive these horrific decades
you make it sound like all parents abandoned their kids, which is a crock of shiite
but maybe thats how things are in the county your family comes from
oh thats right, they owned almost the whole county

A lot of the trouble they got into had to do with pot; a felony charge at the time, which would be a misdemeanor- or else nothing- now.

generations of a family line in jail cause of pot :rofl
has your family no self control, are they all feral

sorry, but i dont buy 90% of the garbage you spew

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Kandahar, I live in Texas. If I give you my address will you come and break into my house?

Burglers should be shot. Let god have pitty on the soul of a low life scum bag that breaks into my house. I love this state. The only state where you have a right to protect your property.

Please, I promise to make it quick and painless.

Moderator's Warning:

I recognize that this was undoubtedly not serious, but regardless, please don't make these kinds of statements. And DeeJayH, stop the personal attacks, now.

 

[1069]

oh, i understand completely, because that whole tax system when you make minimum wage is so complicated you need an accountant
and if you cant afford to pay taxes, surely you can not afford an accountant
EXCUSE

I didn't pay an accountant, I used my family's accountant. He's on some sort of payroll already, so it didn't cost me anything.
And yes, I did need his help. I'm clueless in the face of bureaucracies, and nearly everything else, except writing; I wouldn't have had the vaguest notion how to negotiate that situation on my own. Anything to do with numbers utterly confounds me.

BS
everyone has heard about death and taxes
and its an EXCUSE anyway, a BS one, but an excuse none the less, that i do not buy

No, it's not BS. I'm on a payment plan, paying all my back taxes.
Why would that be BS? Is it such a fanciful claim?
I can post some of my recent paperwork from the IRS, if that would be helpful (although with my name and social security number blacked out; I'm sure you'll understand). They send me a letter each month, reminding me to make a payment. My desk is covered with them. Shall I scan one?

rather pathetic, but wouldnt expect you to be raising your children
oh, thats right, they are mature at 11

My kids are seventeen and almost-sixteen.
Their raising is largely done, and they usually aren't here on the weekends, anyway.

how about being active in your community, you know helping those poor people you are always crying about

I spend very little time actively helping the poor. I'm not sure what I could possibly do for them, seeing as how I'm one of them. I help my neighbors if they need help; sometimes when I need help, they help me.
Most of my community activism efforts these days have to do with animals: working with the SPCA, fostering strays, helping to maintain feral cat colonies in the community. It is not incredibly time-consuming, but it is something that I devote a small amount of time to daily- at the very least, I have to feed and water the colonies daily.

wow, they donated multi 7 figures to Tsunami relief
and yet you live in an apartment
yeah, that rings true
what do they do for america, or their community, besides inherit

You repeatedly insist that because my family has money, they should give it to me.
I am 33 years old. If I want to go to college someday, they'll pay for it. If I get really sick and need to go to the doctor, they'll pay for it. If the car breaks down and we can't get to work, or if some other emergency comes up, they're there to help me.
But to expect them to buy me a house or finance some lifestyle that is beyond my means to maintain would be somewhat unreasonable. They haven't offered, and I haven't asked. I wouldn't accept the offer if they made it. They wouldn't do it if I asked. We don't have that kind of relationship; they respect my efforts to be self-sufficient. I was not raised as a "rich kid"; I wasn't raised to be a rich adult. I do not feel entitled to more than I currently have. I have everything I need, and my apartment suits me just fine. End of story.

what do they do for america, or their community, besides inherit

For America, I'm not sure they do anything (except pay massive amounts of taxes). For the community, they do lots.

oh, they had good intentions. well thats all that matters
the 60s & 70s
puh-lease
just how did america survive these horrific decades
you make it sound like all parents abandoned their kids, which is a crock of shiite

Their parents didn't deliberately abandon them, they died. Both in the same year. It was just one of those things. It sucked. I can't imagine what they went through.

generations of a family line in jail cause of pot
has your family no self control, are they all feral

I never said "generations of my family line" were in jail because of pot.
I said my dad and his brother and sister had some legal trouble with it back in the late 60s and early 70s. That wasn't the only trouble they had.

sorry, but i dont buy 90% of the garbage you spew

I really don't care if you do or don't.
It's all true, ergo provable.
None of it seems that outlandish, to me. Then again, it's my life. Maybe to outsiders, it does sound outlandish. Personally, I've encountered many weirder things.
If I ever told you about my mother, now, you really wouldn't believe me.
But don't worry: I never plan to.
It isn't really relevant in any way.

 

[DivineComedy]

Damn! I love this town.

Article is here.

The old man had a right to go out of his house before he called the police. Old man calls for police, old man moved when told not to by the “police” or authority (dispatcher), hang the old man by the neck until dead with a cheap rope, and then justice is served as the old man served it.

The day I moved into my house the police show up thinking I am stealing my house. An old man had showed up too, he was apparently a homeless man who had been using my house. The police didn’t yell, "Move, you die." None of the new neighbors yelled, “Move, you die.” If the old man had yelled, "Move, you die," what would have been my rights on my own property? I heard the tape, hopefully I would have been moving one of three guns at such a theoretical moment, because they would have had to have been locked and loaded. “Boom. you’re dead” old man.

Some of you guys are too trigger happy, obvious gun NUTS who never in your life got shot at by a crazy old woman while a child playing on property you had a right to play on, and this case does not help the cause of gun rights. When the limb of the tree next to my head moved and I felt the breeze I never heard the old woman yell “Boom. You’re dead” before the shot. Well, obviously you didn’t either, it was like a tree falling in the forest.

I would like to shove my leftover NRA “NEWT” bumper sticker up the old man‘s *** for giving “liberals“ more ammo.

Bad Conservative, BAD!

 

[DeeJayH]

I didn't pay an accountant, I used my family's accountant. He's on some sort of payroll already, so it didn't cost me anything.
And yes, I did need his help.

except yo udid not need an accountant when you were 18, or whenever you decided to get a job
that is why it is BS

I spend very little time actively helping the poor. I'm not sure what I could possibly do for them, seeing as how I'm one of them. I help my neighbors if they need help; sometimes when I need help, they help me.
Most of my community activism efforts these days have to do with animals

how admirable
animals are more important than humans
no wonder the society people like you want to help is so fvcked
'I would love to help you, but i am busy with a stray' :roll:
how noble
your side is so busy with others and animals, that family is left behind
my side, my family, helps ourselves and let others follow suit or fall
3 generations of blue collar, 3 generations without the govt teet, despite hard times suffered by all

If I want to go to college someday, they'll pay for it. If I get really sick and need to go to the doctor, they'll pay for it. If the car breaks down and we can't get to work, or if some other emergency comes up, they're there to help me.

so you have all the security of wealth without having to earn it
must be nice

I never said "generations of my family line" were in jail because of pot.
I said my dad and his brother and sister had some legal trouble with it back in the late 60s and early 70s. That wasn't the only trouble they had.

they were in jail
your siblings have been in jail
and one or more of your kids has been in jail
or is i misremembering

I never said "generations of my family line" were in jail because of pot.

sure sounded like what you said, but maybe their were other charges
all that money to give to charity, yet so many criminals. why is that?
you can fix everybody else, on the internet, but not your own family, in real life
why would you think you can make a difference in others with so many problems within

Their parents didn't deliberately abandon them, they died. Both in the same year. It was just one of those things. It sucked. I can't imagine what they went through.

they had no other family or family friends?
i wonder why that might be