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Paying for a health service happens only in the states. In most other countries, health service is not the slave of the insurance companies ! Health services should be free !
 
Observer said:
Paying for a health service happens only in the states. In most other countries, health service is not the slave of the insurance companies ! Health services should be free !
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Nothing is free. Somebody is paying for it.
 
Observer said:
Paying for a health service happens only in the states. In most other countries, health service is not the slave of the insurance companies ! Health services should be free !
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Yes because doctors and nurses work for free. Tell you what. When your ilk figure out how to make all that free renewable energy free for the end consumer as well instead of even more expensive, we can talk about this free medicine thing.....
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Obviously. And America is paying far more to get far less. We have one of the highest uninsured rates among first world countries, which you celebrate.
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You're trying to install a communist system.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Nope. You can't point to one successful example of the type of healthcare system you advocate for. Somalia perhaps?
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You want citizens imprisoned and executed in order to promote your communist agenda.
 
apdst said:
You want citizens imprisoned and executed in order to promote your communist agenda.
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Wow, the 30 countries whose healthcare system ranks higher than ours all imprison and execute people as part of a communist agenda? Can you provide a source for that?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wow, the 30 countries whose healthcare system ranks higher than ours all imprison and execute people as part of a communist agenda? Can you provide a source for that?
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Good luck trying to implement your communist agenda.
 
Drawdown said:
Yes because doctors and nurses work for free. Tell you what. When your ilk figure out how to make all that free renewable energy free for the end consumer as well instead of even more expensive, we can talk about this free medicine thing.....
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All my healthcare is free at the point of delivery. The difference being that we don't have to pay through the nose for greedy insurers to deny us coverage. Everyone in Britain pays a modest amount into National Insurance with contributions to the NHS being a component of general taxation.
So I can go to hospital, get fixed and walk out with no bills, no small print to worry about and with my bank balance intact. I also get free prescription meds, free doctor and dental, free optical, free ambulance, free hospital stay, free post-op care, free physiotherapy, free scans etc, etc.
So no, it isn't technically 'free' but it is certainly a lot more accessible, a lot less bureaucratic and much less fraught with worry about paying the sort of insanely high premiums your insurers are shafting Americans with. Our medical staff are also paid out of general taxation, and they are some of the finest in the world.
I find it difficult to understand why you still don't have universal healthcare when every other first world nation does-and consistently performs far, far better than the US in overall quality of healthcare.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Obviously. And America is paying far more to get far less. We have one of the highest uninsured rates among first world countries, which you celebrate.
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Question for you,

If I CHOOSE not to have health care.....why should I be forced to?
 
snakestretcher said:
All my healthcare is free at the point of delivery. The difference being that we don't have to pay through the nose for greedy insurers to deny us coverage. Everyone in Britain pays a modest amount into National Insurance with contributions to the NHS being a component of general taxation.
So I can go to hospital, get fixed and walk out with no bills, no small print to worry about and with my bank balance intact. I also get free prescription meds, free doctor and dental, free optical, free ambulance, free hospital stay, free post-op care, free physiotherapy, free scans etc, etc.
So no, it isn't technically 'free' but it is certainly a lot more accessible, a lot less bureaucratic and much less fraught with worry about paying the sort of insanely high premiums your insurers are shafting Americans with. Our medical staff are also paid out of general taxation, and they are some of the finest in the world.
I find it difficult to understand why you still don't have universal healthcare when every other first world nation does-and consistently performs far, far better than the US in overall quality of healthcare.
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Your healthcare is so free, they're running out of money to pay for it.

Treasury considers tax hikes and pay freezes to cover Covid-19 costs | Business | The Guardian
 
snakestretcher said:
All my healthcare is free at the point of delivery. The difference being that we don't have to pay through the nose for greedy insurers to deny us coverage. Everyone in Britain pays a modest amount into National Insurance with contributions to the NHS being a component of general taxation.
So I can go to hospital, get fixed and walk out with no bills, no small print to worry about and with my bank balance intact. I also get free prescription meds, free doctor and dental, free optical, free ambulance, free hospital stay, free post-op care, free physiotherapy, free scans etc, etc.
So no, it isn't technically 'free' but it is certainly a lot more accessible, a lot less bureaucratic and much less fraught with worry about paying the sort of insanely high premiums your insurers are shafting Americans with. Our medical staff are also paid out of general taxation, and they are some of the finest in the world.
I find it difficult to understand why you still don't have universal healthcare when every other first world nation does-and consistently performs far, far better than the US in overall quality of healthcare.
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More accessible, absolutely, less beauratic, not behind the scenes, but to the public, yes, less fraught with worry etc, absolutely.

Cheaper? Not a chance in hell, you are paying high taxes for that....and even then, that's not enough as they are looking at tax hikes to cover that, are they not? The next stop is to cut back on the coverage, no more free dental, optical, ambulance etc.....
 
snakestretcher said:
What don't you understand about "free at the point of delivery"? Do you need your hand held in every discussion?
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Yeah, it's free. But, the government is running out of money to pay for it.
 
snakestretcher said:
All my healthcare is free at the point of delivery. The difference being that we don't have to pay through the nose for greedy insurers to deny us coverage. Everyone in Britain pays a modest amount into National Insurance with contributions to the NHS being a component of general taxation.
So I can go to hospital, get fixed and walk out with no bills, no small print to worry about and with my bank balance intact. I also get free prescription meds, free doctor and dental, free optical, free ambulance, free hospital stay, free post-op care, free physiotherapy, free scans etc, etc.
So no, it isn't technically 'free' but it is certainly a lot more accessible, a lot less bureaucratic and much less fraught with worry about paying the sort of insanely high premiums your insurers are shafting Americans with. Our medical staff are also paid out of general taxation, and they are some of the finest in the world.
I find it difficult to understand why you still don't have universal healthcare when every other first world nation does-and consistently performs far, far better than the US in overall quality of healthcare.
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Half the country is insured through work as a job perk. Some of those insurance policies aren't very good, most are middling, and some are excellent. For example, we pay $36 a month for the six of us, while my employer subsidizes the rest. We have a $10 copay for prescriptions, dr visits, etc.

If the country goes to national health care, I'm sure I'd have to pay 6 times what I'm paying now, if not more.

And we have the best medical facilities and practices in the world. Not everyone in the country can afford the best, that's true. But that's true of most everything.

And most people in America are insured these days. 73 million are insured on the Medicaide program for poor people. 64 million are insured by Medicare, insurance for old people.

There are still some uninsured, and these are the self employed for the most part, plumbers, hair dressers, etc.
 
snakestretcher said:
Who has suggested forcing you?
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That's what a Universal system is, that's what Obamacare has done, they penalize you if you are not on a health care plan.....

Forcing may be the wrong terminology, penalizing might be better?
 
sjmay said:
Question for you,

If I CHOOSE not to have health care.....why should I be forced to?
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I assume you mean if you choose to not use healthcare system why should you be forced to pay for it via taxes?

Can you first explain these ones:
- if I CHOOSE not to use highway system, why should I be forced to pay for it?
- if I CHOOSE not to use police force, why should I be forced to pay for it?
- if I CHOOSE not to pay for other kids education, why should I be forced to pay for schools?
- if I CHOOSE not to use car insurance, why am I forced to have one?
 
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sjmay said:
Question for you,

If I CHOOSE not to have health care.....why should I be forced to?
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Single payer healthcare doesn't force anyone to have healthcare.

If you're asking why you should have to contribute your fair share like the rest of us, it's for the same reason you have to contribute your fair share to police and fire departments even if you never use them. The same reason you contribute to road maintenance even if you don't drive, and to the military even if we aren't at war.
 
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