Tesla passes GM as the Largest Capitalized US Auto Company

[Lord of Planar]

Whys that? A combustion engine is relatively simple and refined at this point. Whats a real shame is combustion based cars should be way less expensive to make. They just put so much extra crap in them you dont need.

On the contrary. That extra crap they put in the modern cars keeps the pollution emissions next to zero.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You are correct, and the extra stuff is mostly marketing.
I think a series hybrid with a small battery, and a stationary engine (One speed), could fill most peoples needs
while greatly improving efficiency.

A series hybrid is probably what we need as an intermediate step. There is no way we can build a charging infrastructure fast enough to keep pace with how fast electric cars can be made. Besides, no point until we have mostly renewable energy. Right now, extra electrical capacity is generated by burning more hydrocarbons. May as well put the charging source for the car in it. The engine can be automatic and computer controlled to burn most efficiently, at one optimum speed and torque to charge the battery as needed. I'll bet it would be cheaper than buying power off the grid to charge the car.

 

[PoS]

Do you own an electric vehicle? Have you driven one?

No and I couldnt be bothered with it.

Satisfaction surveys matter tremendously.

No they dont.

Why do you think every automobile manufacturer is jumping on the EV bandwagon?

One word: subsidies.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the big Auto companies pays this extreme Capitalized amount (or 50%+ more) to buy out Tesla.

Perhaps they should since Elon Musk cant seem to bring the company to an annual profit in its entire existence.

 

[jonny5]

On the contrary. That extra crap they put in the modern cars keeps the pollution emissions next to zero.

How does a backup camera do that?

 

[Lord of Planar]

How does a backup camera do that?

LOL...

OK, I thought you meant the engine electronic controls.

Not all cars come with back-up cameras, but damn... Most people these days do need them.

 

[Media_Truth]

A series hybrid is probably what we need as an intermediate step. There is no way we can build a charging infrastructure fast enough to keep pace with how fast electric cars can be made. Besides, no point until we have mostly renewable energy. Right now, extra electrical capacity is generated by burning more hydrocarbons. May as well put the charging source for the car in it. The engine can be automatic and computer controlled to burn most efficiently, at one optimum speed and torque to charge the battery as needed. I'll bet it would be cheaper than buying power off the grid to charge the car.

It's hard to discern where you are going with this post. Almost all electric vehicles are charged at home. Smart EVs, in conjunction with a Smart Grid, can accomplish most nationwide charging during off-peak hours. Example, with a 220-Volt fast charger, the EV can automatically charge from 1 am- 5 am. Or if Smartly-connected to the Grid, it can start charging during peak renewable production, with a backup of early morning charging, to achieve a full charge.

 

[Lord of Planar]

It's hard to discern where you are going with this post. Almost all electric vehicles are charged at home. Smart EVs, in conjunction with a Smart Grid, can accomplish most nationwide charging during off-peak hours. Example, with a 220-Volt fast charger, the EV can automatically charge from 1 am- 5 am. Or if Smartly-connected to the Grid, it can start charging during peak renewable production, with a backup of early morning charging, to achieve a full charge.

I guess that's fine if you don't drive it more than 40 or 50 miles in a day and have a compact electric. I know people who regularly commute longer than that daily.

Anyway, my point was when you get a significant share of electric cars on the road, our power infrastructure doesn't gave enough capacity, any time of day for that many.

 

[Media_Truth]

I guess that's fine if you don't drive it more than 40 or 50 miles in a day and have a compact electric. I know people who regularly commute longer than that daily.

Anyway, my point was when you get a significant share of electric cars on the road, our power infrastructure doesn't gave enough capacity, any time of day for that many.

40-50 miles? Even the lowest-mileage electric vehicles are now getting about 150 miles. Many are over 300 miles. As far as the power infrastructure, I addressed that above in my discussion of Smart EVs with a Smart Grid. Studies in some cities have shown that, even if all area cars were to convert to electric, no Utility infrastructure changes would be required.

 

[Lord of Planar]

40-50 miles? Even the lowest-mileage electric vehicles are now getting about 150 miles. Many are over 300 miles. As far as the power infrastructure, I addressed that above in my discussion of Smart EVs with a Smart Grid. Studies in some cities have shown that, even if all area cars were to convert to electric, no Utility infrastructure changes would be required.

But you can't give them a full charge with a 220 volt charger in 4 hours.

Don't you claim to have a BS decree in electrical engineering?

Do the math!

 

[Lord of Planar]

The Tesla 7 kWatt home charger renews the range of a Tesla 3 at the rate of 10 miles per hour. Your four hour charge time is only good for 40 miles.

 

[Media_Truth]

But you can't give them a full charge with a 220 volt charger in 4 hours.

Don't you claim to have a BS decree in electrical engineering?

Do the math!

Sure, I'll do the math for you, since you are probably unqualified.

Your argument assumes that people totally discharge their vehicles. Take a Tesla Model 3, 50 kWH Battery system (220-mile range). It will recharge 6.6 KW in one hour (220 Volts x 30 Amps). If the battery is totally discharged, that would take about 7 hours. This is seldom the case. If the Tesla was driven for about 110 miles, it would be halfway discharged, and could recharge fully in 3.5 hours.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Sure, I'll do the math for you, since you are probably unqualified.

Your argument assumes that people totally discharge their vehicles. Take a Tesla Model 3, 50 kWH Battery system (220-mile range). It will recharge 6.6 KW in one hour (220 Volts x 30 Amps). If the battery is totally discharged, that would take about 7 hours. This is seldom the case. If the Tesla was driven for about 110 miles, it would be halfway discharged, and could recharge fully in 3.5 hours.

In a review article I read, it gave the lesser number. Wiki says about 30 miles for an hours charge with the 7 kW charger ( 220 volt 32 amp).

Keep in mind, actual mileage isn't as much as the rated mileage. It;s probably closer to 25 miles for an hour charge.

 

[Media_Truth]

In a review article I read, it gave the lesser number. Wiki says about 30 miles for an hours charge with the 7 kW charger ( 220 volt 32 amp).

Keep in mind, actual mileage isn't as much as the rated mileage. It;s probably closer to 25 miles for an hour charge.

Great, your WIKI numbers agree with my numbers - "110 miles in 3-1/2 hours" (multiply WIKI's out and it's 105 miles).

 

[jonny5]

LOL...

OK, I thought you meant the engine electronic controls.

Not all cars come with back-up cameras, but damn... Most people these days do need them.

No, I meant all the AI and entertainment and thousands of safety items, and sure, some of the engine technology. And of course the marketing costs. It all drives up the price.

But yeah, a lot of drivers DO need those things that pay attention for them. Maybe cars would be cheaper if we just stopped selling them to idiots.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No, I meant all the AI and entertainment and thousands of safety items, and sure, some of the engine technology. And of course the marketing costs. It all drives up the price.

But yeah, a lot of drivers DO need those things that pay attention for them. Maybe cars would be cheaper if we just stopped selling them to idiots.

I would like to see the methods adopted they use in Germany for drivers testing and car testing. Even the traffic laws. They make so much more sense.

 

[Jack Hays]

I would like to see the methods adopted they use in Germany for drivers testing and car testing. Even the traffic laws. They make so much more sense.

Three years in Germany made me a better driver.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Three years in Germany made me a better driver.

I was there for six, and my TransAm with a 2.43 rear axle would do 170 MPH on a good day. Faster than the strong German made cars with a 250 KPH (155 MPH) ignition cutoff!

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I was there for six, and my TransAm with a 2.43 rear axle would do 170 MPH on a good day. Faster than the strong German made cars with a 250 KPH (155 MPH) ignition cutoff!

What year trans am, and was it stock?

 

[Lord of Planar]

What year trans am, and was it stock?

It was actually a '77 Firebird Esprit, with Trans Am parts attached. It was otherwise mostly stock. All GM parts though. Four core radiator, Old's 350 with a Rochester Quadrajet. Actually, the headers and exhaust were aftermarket. Not GM

That Old's 350 really started breathing well past 4,000 RPMs. Not good at all on acceleration with the 2.43 axle, but damn. It's high RPM torque was awesome! The Old's 350 has the largest intake ports of the four different GM 350s that year, and the most oversquare.

 

[calamity]

Tesla capitalization at $54 billion, GM at $52 Billion.

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Tesla stock has jumped 18% to $300.32 after the company turned a surprise profit. With 179 million shares outstanding, that leaves Tesla with a market cap of nearly $54 billion dollars. At Wednesday's closing price of $254.68, Tesla was worth just under $46 billion.

General Motors ( GM ) stock has dropped 0.4% to $36.45 in after-hours trading -- blame Ford Motor ( F ) , which cut its earnings guidance. At that price, GM is worth just over $52 billion. Ford is worth nearly $36 billion after dropping 2.6% to $8.97 in after-hours trading.

If I was to drop over $50K on a vehicle, it sure as hell would not be a GM. I'd probably lean Tesla over say Ford and Honda. But, I doubt I would buy one over a Toyota.

 

[Lord of Planar]

If I was to drop over $50K on a vehicle, it sure as hell would not be a GM. I'd probably lean Tesla over say Ford and Honda. But, I doubt I would buy one over a Toyota.

Isn't the new Corvette suppose to be a mid-engine?

 

[calamity]

Isn't the new Corvette suppose to be a mid-engine?

As in breaks down in the middle of the road?

Just kidding.

Vettes were the **** back in the 60's.

 

[Lord of Planar]

As in breaks down in the middle of the road?

Just kidding.

Vettes were the **** back in the 60's.

They still hold their own.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

It was actually a '77 Firebird Esprit, with Trans Am parts attached. It was otherwise mostly stock. All GM parts though. Four core radiator, Old's 350 with a Rochester Quadrajet. Actually, the headers and exhaust were aftermarket. Not GM

That Old's 350 really started breathing well past 4,000 RPMs. Not good at all on acceleration with the 2.43 axle, but damn. It's high RPM torque was awesome! The Old's 350 has the largest intake ports of the four different GM 350s that year, and the most oversquare.

It was not stock if you took it to 170 mph. The top speed for the stock trans am of that year was about 110 mph. Heck the 1985 testarossa only went to 181 mph with a more aerodynamic body and quite a bit more power.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Isn't the new Corvette suppose to be a mid-engine?

Yes it is

Base price is just under $60 000, best accelerating vette ever (stock) 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. 495 hp or so