Tesla passes GM as the Largest Capitalized US Auto Company

[Media_Truth]

I article says the outside handles retract in. This guy was already badly hurt since he couldn't open it from the inside, and I'll bet it took a toot to open the door anyway, like "the jaws of life." The force of the accident probably jammed the door too.

The article doesn't have enough details.

Similar to many newer cars. The link in post #23 discusses this---

Those door handles didn't extend, so there was no way for anybody to open the supposedly unlocked doors in the time the driver had left. Tesla uses a nifty flush fitment for its exterior door handles on the Model S that pop out to welcome you as you walk up to the car with the key. If there isn't any power to the car, those are not going to pop out.

The last-ditch effort is for a first responder to reach inside the car and use the interior door handle. A police officer on the scene reportedly tried to do exactly that, but was unable to break the glass before the fire became too intense. Witnesses said the flames quickly engulfed the car, leaving scant time for a fire crew to attempt a rescue.

A full investigation will attempt to determine what went wrong. Tesla has already said it's reached out to authorities to offer its cooperation, and telemetry data from the car may hold some answers.

 

[PoS]

I article says the outside handles retract in. This guy was already badly hurt since he couldn't open it from the inside, and I'll bet it took a toot to open the door anyway, like "the jaws of life." The force of the accident probably jammed the door too.

The article doesn't have enough details.

This is a Tesla S door from the outside.

The first responders couldnt get him out because they wouldnt pop out. The car caught fire within seconds too. After the accident and they towed the wreck to a dump, it caught fire again.

Owners have been complaining that they dont pop out during icy conditions too.

I wouldnt buy a Tesla, its a high tech deathtrap.

 

[Media_Truth]

This is a Tesla S door from the outside.

The first responders couldnt get him out because they wouldnt pop out. The car caught fire within seconds too. After the accident and they towed the wreck to a dump, it caught fire again.

Owners have been complaining that they dont pop out during icy conditions too.

I wouldnt buy a Tesla, its a high tech deathtrap.

I guess those that publish auto safety ratings don't know what they're talking about. :roll:

Tesla Model 3 gets perfect 5-star safety rating in every category from NHTSA [Videos] - Electrek

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has released its safety rating for the Tesla Model 3 today and the electric vehicle has gotten a perfect 5-star safety rating in every category.

 

[Helix]

i saw one in person the other day. pretty cool car. our first electric car is probably years away, but it's cool to see some progress.

 

[PoS]

I guess those that publish auto safety ratings don't know what they're talking about. :roll:

Tesla Model 3 gets perfect 5-star safety rating in every category from NHTSA [Videos] - Electrek

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has released its safety rating for the Tesla Model 3 today and the electric vehicle has gotten a perfect 5-star safety rating in every category.

If its got a perfect safety rating then why is the NHTSA investigating Tesla?

Tesla NHSTA investigation on battery fire risk, throttling

 

[Media_Truth]

i saw one in person the other day. pretty cool car. our first electric car is probably years away, but it's cool to see some progress.

EV satisfaction, from owners of the vehicles, is in the high 90 percentile! Delaying is certainly understandable, as a new car is a sizeable investment.

 

[Media_Truth]

If its got a perfect safety rating then why is the NHTSA investigating Tesla?

Tesla NHSTA investigation on battery fire risk, throttling

That's their job. They also investigate gasoline-powered vehicles with perfect safety records.

 

[PoS]

That's their job. They also investigate gasoline-powered vehicles with perfect safety records.

Silly excuse. They wouldnt be investigating Tesla if there werent massive complaints filed.

 

[uptower]

Wrong. Tesla's "profit" in the last quarter didnt come from e-car sales, but from cost cutting and emissions credits.

Tesla is profitable again. How long will it last this time? - MarketWatch

In fact Tesla's sales are down. So it's pretty certain you have no idea what youre talking about.

Tesla Down Almost 10% in 2019 Despite Model 3 Cracking Top 5 in Sedan Sales - TheStreet
Tesla Sales Down For Q1 2019, But The Situation Is Far From Dire

Yes I understand the scramble for right-wing spin doctors to attribute a profit for an e-vehicle manufacturer to anything other than better business practices, increased sales and a changing market. However any objective looks at the company's fortunes shows that is the case. They had a good quarter, that's all.

Tesla Reports Profit for Quarter, Sending Shares Soaring - The New York Times


Whether that makes Elon Musk a genius or justifies Tesla's exorbitant prices I don't care to comment, but it does point to a future where e-vehicles and hybrids are much more common and a market that wants this.

 

[Media_Truth]

Silly excuse. They wouldnt be investigating Tesla if there werent massive complaints filed.

No, it was one death, perhaps you should focus on the other 37,460...

Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day.[1]

 

[Lord of Planar]

This is a Tesla S door from the outside.

The first responders couldnt get him out because they wouldnt pop out. The car caught fire within seconds too. After the accident and they towed the wreck to a dump, it caught fire again.

Owners have been complaining that they dont pop out during icy conditions too.

I wouldnt buy a Tesla, its a high tech deathtrap.

Just the same, my doors lock when the ignition is on and the car is in gear. In an accident, they will still be locked unless I an conscious to unlock them. Such a fire would present the same problem in a car like mine. The car industry has been putting self locking doors on some model cars for over a decade now. To suddenly cry foul for the Tesla door is stupid.

I guess you wouldn't buy most other car models today now either.

 

[PoS]

Yes I understand the scramble for right-wing spin doctors to attribute a profit for an e-vehicle manufacturer to anything other than better business practices, increased sales and a changing market. However any objective looks at the company's fortunes shows that is the case. They had a good quarter, that's all.

Tesla Reports Profit for Quarter, Sending Shares Soaring - The New York Times


Whether that makes Elon Musk a genius or justifies Tesla's exorbitant prices I don't care to comment, but it does point to a future where e-vehicles and hybrids are much more common and a market that wants this.

You can spin it all you want, but Tesla's profits didnt come from sales- even your own article says that- its clear you didnt even read it.

"In the first two quarters of the year, Tesla lost a total of $1.1 billion. The company said Wednesday that it had been able to surge to a profit because it had removed “substantial cost” from its operations — so much that profit rose even though revenue fell slightly."

Electric vehicles continue to remain a niche market, no matter how much you dream.

Just the same, my doors lock when the ignition is on and the car is in gear. In an accident, they will still be locked unless I an conscious to unlock them. Such a fire would present the same problem in a car like mine. The car industry has been putting self locking doors on some model cars for over a decade now. To suddenly cry foul for the Tesla door is stupid.

I guess you wouldn't buy most other car models today now either.

I wont buy a new car with self locking doors that embed into the body, thats for sure. My Toyota RAV4 works just fine.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

No, it was one death, perhaps you should focus on the other 37,460...

Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day.[1]

US have also much higher traffic-related deaths per capita compared to many other developed countries.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia

That other countries and cities have been able to reduce traffic deaths by for example decreasing car dependency and building cities for cycling and public transport.

How this Dutch City Became so Bicycle Friendly - Goodnet

 

[PoS]

No, it was one death, perhaps you should focus on the other 37,460...

Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day.[1]

Nice dodge.

Electric cars have a market share of less than 5%, yet Tesla cars are already catching fire at an alarming rate, thats why theyre being investigated.

US have also much higher traffic-related deaths per capita compared to many other developed countries.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia

That other countries and cities have been able to reduce traffic deaths by for example decreasing car dependency and building cities for cycling and public transport.

How this Dutch City Became so Bicycle Friendly - Goodnet

Apples and oranges. Not surprising coming from you.

 

[Jack Hays]

[h=2]Global Sales Of Electric Cars “Collapsed” Says New Report By PricewaterhouseCoopers… -15.7% In China[/h]By P Gosselin on 3. November 2019
Sales of so-called environmentally friendly electric cars have been slumping, despite all the Friday protests and loud cries for cleaner mobility.
Citing a report released by PricewaterhouseCoopers, German news portal t-online.de here reports how “suddenly demand is in the basement: even in China – the world’s largest market for e-cars – sales figures are collapsing”.
It turns out electric cars, with their long charging times, short range and surprisingly high CO2 lifetime budget, are still not attractive enough to consumers in these times of “climate crisis”.
Though sales have picked up in Germany somewhat, but that it’s still “at a very low level,” T-Online reports.
Climate protests, hysteria, fail to sway
Germany is one of the leading Fridays For Future protest countries worldwide, with tens of thousands of protesters turning out weekly. Yet that has not translated into any meaningful change in terms of electric car sales. People have not been swayed by all the climate hysteria and remain uncomfortable with all the technical and environmental drawbacks of plug-in electric cars. Read here.
Big markets dive
T-Online sees the really big trouble for electric cars elsewhere, that is in the markets where they have been traditionally strong: China, Norway and the USA. The German news site reports: “And that’s where the wind has changed, according to a report by management consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).”

Global: plug in electric fell 23.8%!
“According to the report, 321,573 battery-powered electric cars were sold worldwide in the third quarter of 2019. This is a decline of 2.8 percent compared to the previous year. Sales of plug-in hybrids even fell by a quarter (23.8 percent) to 102,097 units sold. There are various reasons for this,” reports T-Online.
Huge sales drop in China
T-Online reports that the world’s largest market for electric cars, China, “collapsed drastically between July and September 2019.” Adding: ” Sales of electric cars fell by 15.7 percent, of hybrid cars by 20 percent and of plug-in hybrids by as much as 27.3 percent.”
20% Q3 drop in US
Things are not better in the USA. Recently S&P Global reported: “Sales in the US plug-in vehicle market in Q3 2019 were down roughly 20% compared with Q3 2018, but year-to-date sales for 2019 were slightly ahead of sales through the third quarter in 2018.”
Future of electric plug-ins uncertain
Overall there’s growing uncertainty when it comes to the future of mobility and as to which technology will emerge as the most viable, and when.
Countries worldwide are woefully lagging behind in the installation of electric car infrastructure. Policymakers are thus uneasy about investing hundreds of billions into an electric car infrastructure, knowing that it may well be made obsolete by other fuels, such as hydrogen. Investment delays in turn lead to delays in sales.

 

[Media_Truth]

[h=2]Global Sales Of Electric Cars “Collapsed” Says New Report By PricewaterhouseCoopers… -15.7% In China[/h]By P Gosselin on 3. November 2019
Sales of so-called environmentally friendly electric cars have been slumping, despite all the Friday protests and loud cries for cleaner mobility.
Citing a report released by PricewaterhouseCoopers, German news portal t-online.de here reports how “suddenly demand is in the basement: even in China – the world’s largest market for e-cars – sales figures are collapsing”.
It turns out electric cars, with their long charging times, short range and surprisingly high CO2 lifetime budget, are still not attractive enough to consumers in these times of “climate crisis”.
Though sales have picked up in Germany somewhat, but that it’s still “at a very low level,” T-Online reports.
Climate protests, hysteria, fail to sway
Germany is one of the leading Fridays For Future protest countries worldwide, with tens of thousands of protesters turning out weekly. Yet that has not translated into any meaningful change in terms of electric car sales. People have not been swayed by all the climate hysteria and remain uncomfortable with all the technical and environmental drawbacks of plug-in electric cars. Read here.
Big markets dive
T-Online sees the really big trouble for electric cars elsewhere, that is in the markets where they have been traditionally strong: China, Norway and the USA. The German news site reports: “And that’s where the wind has changed, according to a report by management consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).”

Global: plug in electric fell 23.8%!
“According to the report, 321,573 battery-powered electric cars were sold worldwide in the third quarter of 2019. This is a decline of 2.8 percent compared to the previous year. Sales of plug-in hybrids even fell by a quarter (23.8 percent) to 102,097 units sold. There are various reasons for this,” reports T-Online.
Huge sales drop in China
T-Online reports that the world’s largest market for electric cars, China, “collapsed drastically between July and September 2019.” Adding: ” Sales of electric cars fell by 15.7 percent, of hybrid cars by 20 percent and of plug-in hybrids by as much as 27.3 percent.”
20% Q3 drop in US
Things are not better in the USA. Recently S&P Global reported: “Sales in the US plug-in vehicle market in Q3 2019 were down roughly 20% compared with Q3 2018, but year-to-date sales for 2019 were slightly ahead of sales through the third quarter in 2018.”

Typical cherry-picking. China had a huge EV-year the year before (79% increase in 2018). So gee - their sales are down against last year. Your blogs are so dishonest that it's pathetic. Let's take a look at worldwide sales of EVs ---

http://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/

Global plug-in vehicle deliveries reached 1,134,000 units in the 1st half of 2019, 46 % higher than for 2018. In terms of volumes, the increase was 358,000 units, equal to the entire US plug-in vehicle market of 2018. It includes all BEV and PHEV passenger cars sales, light trucks in the Americas and light commercial vehicle in Europe and Asia. Their share in the global light vehicle market was 3,5 % in June and 2,5 % for 2019 H1. 74 % of sales were all-electric (BEV) and 26 % were plug-in hybrids (PHEV), a massive shift of 11 % towards BEVs, compared to the 1st half of 2018. It was driven by the full availability of the Tesla Model-3, revised taxation/subsidy schemes and the Europe introduction of the more stringent WLTP (Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure) for CO2 emissions, all leading to higher demand for pure EVs.
...
EV sales (New Energy Vehicles) contracted by 2 % in China in July, following 79 % growth in 2018 and 66 % in 2019 H1.

 

[Jack Hays]

Typical cherry-picking. China had a huge EV-year the year before (79% increase in 2018). So gee - their sales are down against last year. Your blogs are so dishonest that it's pathetic. Let's take a look at worldwide sales of EVs ---

EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database

Global plug-in vehicle deliveries reached 1,134,000 units in the 1st half of 2019, 46 % higher than for 2018. In terms of volumes, the increase was 358,000 units, equal to the entire US plug-in vehicle market of 2018. It includes all BEV and PHEV passenger cars sales, light trucks in the Americas and light commercial vehicle in Europe and Asia. Their share in the global light vehicle market was 3,5 % in June and 2,5 % for 2019 H1. 74 % of sales were all-electric (BEV) and 26 % were plug-in hybrids (PHEV), a massive shift of 11 % towards BEVs, compared to the 1st half of 2018. It was driven by the full availability of the Tesla Model-3, revised taxation/subsidy schemes and the Europe introduction of the more stringent WLTP (Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure) for CO2 emissions, all leading to higher demand for pure EVs.
...
EV sales (New Energy Vehicles) contracted by 2 % in China in July, following 79 % growth in 2018 and 66 % in 2019 H1.

Perhaps you should complain to PricewaterhouseCoopers.

 

[Media_Truth]

Perhaps you should complain to PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Perhaps NoTricksZone should quit misrepresenting their sources. Your link is from NoTricksZone.

 

[Jack Hays]

Perhaps NoTricksZone should quit misrepresenting their sources. Your link is from NoTricksZone.

Nothing was misrepresented.

 

[Jack Hays]

Perhaps NoTricksZone should quit misrepresenting their sources. Your link is from NoTricksZone.

https://www.en24.news › Business

[h=3]Electric Cars: Why the sales are collapsing | En24 News[/h]
2 days ago - Electric Cars: Why the sales are collapsing. November 1 ... This is from a report by the business consultants of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).

 

[Media_Truth]

Perhaps you should complain to PricewaterhouseCoopers.

I've already dismissed your lying blog, so it's time to focus on reality. Worldwide, EV sales are up 46% over the first half of last year. That's the reality of the EV situation - not your cherrypicked garbage.

 

[Jack Hays]

I've already dismissed your lying blog, so it's time to focus on reality. Worldwide, EV sales are up 46% over the first half of last year. That's the reality of the EV situation - not your cherrypicked garbage.

https://www.en24.news › Business

[h=3]Electric Cars: Why the sales are collapsing | En24 News[/h]
2 days ago - Electric Cars: Why the sales are collapsing. November 1 ... This is from a report by the business consultants of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).

 

[Media_Truth]

https://www.en24.news › Business

[h=3]Electric Cars: Why the sales are collapsing | En24 News[/h]
2 days ago - Electric Cars: Why the sales are collapsing. November 1 ... This is from a report by the business consultants of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).

Looks like your link doesn't like to speak to YTD sales, which are drastically higher. Meanwhile Tesla stock went from $255 per share to $330 per share over a 2-day period! That's a 30% gain in 2 days!!! I purchased the stock 3 months ago. Before this gain, it was already up 15%.

Seems the Electric Car industry is doing just fine!!!

 

[Jack Hays]

Looks like your link doesn't like to speak to YTD sales, which are drastically higher. Meanwhile Tesla stock went from $255 per share to $330 per share over a 2-day period! That's a 30% gain in 2 days!!! I purchased the stock 3 months ago. Before this gain, it was already up 15%.

Seems the Electric Car industry is doing just fine!!!

There are always suckers to buy puffed up stocks.

 

[Media_Truth]

There are always suckers to buy puffed up stocks.

I admit the stock is overvalued at it's current price and worth. It's the expectation that makes a stock like this so intriguing. At one time people said the same thing about Microsoft, Apple, and later Google.

EV sales have been up every year, and 2019 is no different to date, with sales up 46% in the first 6 months, and Tesla is the world's leading EV car-maker. And now their plant assembly lines are more and more automated, which is already making the vehicles more competitive. Put it all together, and "puffed up" may become reality very quickly. The stock is sitting at around $320 per share. Some analysts are projecting an upper-end of $4000 per share!!!