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Ten Things We Can Do With Guantanamo Bay Detainees

 
stsburns said:
Did you mean, Keep you friends close, Keep you enemies closer?

And if so, should they all be challenged in a court in California?

Please.......
No, I meant what I said luckily. Treat everyone as equals. If they've committed a crime, punish them. If we believe they've committed a crime, give them a fair trial. Presumed innocent before guilty.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
A human life is a human life. I don't see one more valuable than the other. I think it is sick that someone had to die. I think it is equally if not more disgusting that someone had to kill.

I believe an innocent life is more valuable than that of somebody who supports terrorism. As I said before, we need to keep those in GITMO as long as the law permits, and fortunately international law says we can detain them until the war on terrorism is over. It would not bother me a bit if they all died of old age with never being charged.
 
The detainees of Guantanamo bay torture Centre, have never been charged with any crime, never faced a court hearing or had any legal representation.

The detainees are being humiliated, abused and beaten up.

Well I suppose it just shows one of the ugly faces of international capitalism and US imperialism.

Smash the system which causes this cruelty to human kind, break your shackles and unite together against this violence.
 
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The detainees are being humiliated, abused and beaten up.

I can also say things. But when I say things I don't make them up. Scottish men wear skirts. See how easy that was. I said something truthful. Now you try.
Well I suppose it just shows one of the ugly faces of international capitalism and US imperialism.

With the awesome military and economic might of this great nation if we were truly imperialists we would take over Scotland and make the men wear skirts. No wait bad example......

smash the system which causes this cruelty to human kind, break your shackles and unite together against this violence.
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Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Do you type that with one hand while the other is raised in a fist? 7 years as an activist, eh? That's a record to be proud of. So, what have you accomplished? Liberate any countries lately? Given any women the right to vote?
 
shuamort said:
No, I meant what I said luckily. Treat everyone as equals. If they've committed a crime, punish them. If we believe they've committed a crime, give them a fair trial. Presumed innocent before guilty.

So do you "approve" of Michael Jackson's "Fair Trial?"
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
At least he got one.

Yes he did. The prosecution was nuts to move forward with that boys case. The mother was obviously a gold digger. In my heart I believe Jackson is a molester. But the government failed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Hopefully Jacko is now too scared to continue these acts. If not, maybe next time. The real question here is knowing Jacksons past, what kind of parent would let their kid go there to neverland.? Kinda on the wrond thread here. My bad.
 
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Come on folks. Tell the truth. Put aside all our high and mighty rhetoric. I'll say it. If kicking the snot out of a terrorist divulges intelligence that saves one American life, let me at that terrorist. Oh but we are America. That brings us down to their level. Teacher you're a monster. So be it. Let's take care of this mess quick as possible then the whole world can get on down the road towards freedom and civilization. If you don't have the stomach for it fine, change the channel back to American idol and let those willing to put their lives on the line for the right and moral cause of WORLD WIDE EQUALITY AND FREEDOM finish the job. A black and blue terrorist vs. a live American. Answer honestly. There are real men still out there. Gunny and Anav to name two. (Not forgetting you others but these guys are active military and deserve our support). Standing around and taking your thumbs out of your mouths only long enough to say "we have no right to give women the right to vote in another country" just don't cut he mustard. That's why we vote and that is exactly why W. was reelected. Maybe many of you don't know or remember but I do. The lessons and wisdom imparted to me by my two Grandfathers from WW ll. Lusitania was sunk. Look out Germany. Pearl Harbor. We on the way Japan. How many died on 9/11? Well maybe if we are nicer to them. When did this country become so spineless and appeasing. With great power comes great responsibility. Are we so mired in partisan politics that you can't see the big picture. This problem won't go away with any amount of money, hand wringing, or any change in foreign policy. Blood, sweet and tears. Quit whining about Gitmo. Those guys have never been so well fed and clean. A bloody terrorist or a living marine. Choose.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
A human life is a human life. I don't see one more valuable than the other. I think it is sick that someone had to die. I think it is equally if not more disgusting that someone had to kill.

Yes, but you aren't the one fighting the war. Your typing your hatred for the war? Those are two different things.

Why did you :spin: my words? Where did you cook up, "A value of human life?" Plus, you got to realize that people die! Whether by a gun, or a wreckless driver, people die. A person who voluntarly serves his country, should be appreciated, instead of being called "disgusting".

someone had to kill

Obviously you don't have any experience with someone from the Military. They are doing what they are trained to do! Just like you have been trained that Ghandi>Bush. Someone had to die for all of your rights? Freedom isn't free, a price must be paid for freedom. Unless you think countries are just giving freedom away?
 

So did you except the challenge? Or just doging the question? I promise the site will be up in a weeks time! If your up to it? :mrgreen:
 

I find killing and anyone who engages in it to be disgusting. I realize that everyday people die from various things that doesn't mean you speed it up or condone it with war. War is people killing people on purpose because they don't see eye to eye. That's disgusting.


Yeah you can go around and "purchase" freedom and your local one-stop-commi-shoppe.

Someone had to? That's debateable, but someone did die for my rights and I would thank them for that, but they're dead. I have experience with people from the military. I know what they are doing. I respect the idea. Fighting for something they see as noble. Hell that's awesome, but when it comes to kill, I'm a little more reserved.

Freedom isn't free

Freedom is free. War is expensive as hell.

Freedom must be fought for yes, but a certain brown someone proved to the whole war that just because it isn't free, doesn't mean that you have to pay for it in blood.

So did you except the challenge? Or just doging the question? I promise the site will be up in a weeks time! If your up to it?

You want me to lie to a US Marine by telling him I don't pity him as much as someone else? I pity him the same. Both are at risk for becoming victims in this war. I don't want to see either of them hurt. Can you say the same?
 
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You want me to lie to a US Marine by telling him I don't pity him as much as someone else? I pity him the same. Both are at risk for becoming victims in this war.

You do realize your talking about a grown man don't you? An intelligent one in my opinion who is obviously aware of his choices. A hero and defender of right and freedom. Willing to put his money where his mouth is? A victim? I think gunny would be there right besides me throwing tea into Boston harbor. Pity? And you have the gall to chastise me for a dissertation on the word "suck". You owe someone an apology bro. I know your better than that Gandhi. It takes a certain knowledge and respect to be able to call gunny "jarhead" without getting your teeth kicked in. Have you such knowledge Gandhi? Semper Fi pacifist.
 

The Boston Tea Party? That was awesome. How many people died there? That was beautiful. It's that shot heard around the world that I disagree with.


Ehh?

Anyway, I realize these are grown men making decisions, but by victim, I meant someone who dies in a war.
 
 
LaMidRighter said:
Are you kidding me? Gandhi was assasinated, he most certainly paid in full.

Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu Nationalist that was agree because the Mahatma was to kind to muslims.

Gandhi and his followers never supported killing as a means to attaining Indian freedom. They got their freedom.

You could say the Amristar massacre. Hundreds of people died there. None of them were British. Gandhi and his people did not waver. They got their freedom.

To say that India's independence was one through blood is foolish. It was one through peace and nonviolence and patience.

My point was you don't have kill for freedom. And if there were no General Dyers(British leader at the Amristar massacre) in the world, no one would have to die.

These "humans" that took up violent acts against our civilians deserve, in my opinion little to no sympathy from our people, and certainly less than our wonderful soldiers.

Maybe we should cut off their heads?
 
 

They didn't kill. That's what matters.


I believe you are wrong. Beyond wrong. I don't think trying to out do an atrocity with a greater atrocity will make any progress at all. We're twice as evil as you! Because we cut off two heads! If we're better than them, we have to prove it. If we're better at being evil than they are, we need to re-evaluate ourselves.
 
 

I noticed you wrote IF "kicking the snot out of a terrorist...", but we already know the answer to that question. Besides that torture is illegal in the US, it is a fact that it does not produce reliable intelligence. First of all you are assuming that everyone who is detained is a terrorist and the truth of the matter is that that's not the case. And innocent people have been tortured.

There are several reasons why torture doesn't work. First obviously when tortured, one will say anything to stop the pain; Second there is only so much pain a body can take and people start passing out or worse die; third because of physical pain and stress the mind of the tortured person doesn't work as it is supposed to and the person can't remember details and is confused.
 
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QUOTE=vandree] Besides that torture is illegal in the US, it is a fact that it does not produce reliable intelligence.

Fact? Big word. The fact is I'm pretty friggin tough but if someone takes pliers to my balls I think I'd start talking.

First obviously when tortured, one will say anything to stop the pain;

Correct. Starting with the truth.

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Are you a girl? If not maybe a fews classes at FT. Huachuka would teach you the error of your ways. Logically, if it don't work why have some many over the ages used it. Maybe you should familiarize your self with the comments of some of our POW's in Vietnam. I recall an interview with one who after being broke he was back in his cell crying and feeling bad he told the whole truth when a voice from the next cell said "don't sweat it bro, we all talked". Maybe you should first state if your post is opinion or fact. Saves me time to destroy someone else more worthy. Class dismissed.
 
I think that the author of the list just MIGHT have been playing around a little. :roll: Some of you people can really get worked up over nothing.
 
 
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