Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

[Simon W. Moon]

The text cited just doesn't support the theory that more than one school decide to skip teaching the section about the holocaust.

Key words that would lead one to believe that more than one school was involved are For example

What part of the concept of citing an example do you not understand?

An example of how examples work:

Children on the field trip were unruly. FOR EXAMPLE, one of the children burped the entire alphabet while playing accompaniment on his armpit.

How many children burped the alphabet and fart noises with their armpit?

a) all of the children

b) more than one of the children

c) no child

d) one child
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[paulmarkj]

The holocaust IS taught in schools and will continue to be taught in schools.

I know because I am a teacher and I teach it.

History in the UK covers:

Egyptians; Romans, Greeks, Vikings, (and as Invaders and Settlers to the UK), Tudors, Stuarts, Victorians, British Empire, French revolution, modern history (post 1948), etc,etc, including, wait for it.......

Unit 19. How and why did the Holocaust happen?

1. Rights and responsibilities?
2. Rights denied: why was Anne Frank forced to go into hiding?
3. Rights denied: how did Nazi persecution of the Jews develop?
4. How and why were ghettos set up and what was life like inside them?
5. What was the Final Solution?
6. What happened when people found out about the Holocaust?
7. Exploring the Holocaust - what questions and issues remain?
8. So, how and why did the Holocaust happen?

This unit would take about half a term to teach - about the same as most units. It is actually quite a popular subject with the pupils because it is easy to see right and wrong in this case and express and opinion that can be related to modern life.

I can't believe people still believe the Daily Mail.

Their process is very simple: they want a story like this, a 'PC gone mad' story. So they pick up a snippet, such as a school has not taught the holocaust and make it into a generalisation. Any amount of evidence to the contrary is ignored by both the Daily Mail and their readers, because their reader lap it up. They don't want the truth they want bile.


They think that by finding one school that does something they can convince the puplic that all schools do it, and you know what? after looking at this thread I think the have won.

 

[Gardener]

The text cited just doesn't support the theory that more than one school decide to skip teaching the section about the holocaust.




An example of how examples work:

Children on the field trip were unruly. FOR EXAMPLE, one of the children burped the entire alphabet while playing accompaniment on his armpit.

How many children burped the alphabet and fart noises with their armpit?

a) all of the children

b) more than one of the children

c) no child

d) one child
​

You didn't ask the question "how many children were unruly". :roll:


Somehow you keep seeing the word "schools" and "teachers", but insist those words mean exactly one.

 

[Gardener]

The holocaust IS taught in schools and will continue to be taught in schools.

I know because I am a teacher and I teach it.

History in the UK covers:

Egyptians; Romans, Greeks, Vikings, (and as Invaders and Settlers to the UK), Tudors, Stuarts, Victorians, British Empire, French revolution, modern history (post 1948), etc,etc, including, wait for it.......



This unit would take about half a term to teach - about the same as most units. It is actually quite a popular subject with the pupils because it is easy to see right and wrong in this case and express and opinion that can be related to modern life.

I can't believe people still believe the Daily Mail.

Their process is very simple: they want a story like this, a 'PC gone mad' story. So they pick up a snippet, such as a school has not taught the holocaust and make it into a generalisation. Any amount of evidence to the contrary is ignored by both the Daily Mail and their readers, because their reader lap it up. They don't want the truth they want bile.


They think that by finding one school that does something they can convince the puplic that all schools do it, and you know what? after looking at this thread I think the have won.

I did not read the daily mail. I read the actual report. Did you?

The report indicated that schools (plural) and teachers(pural) were failing to address the holocaust. Nobody said ALL the schools and teachers are doing this, but rather that SOME schools and teachers are doing this.

I must assume you have interviewed each and every teacher in the U.K. and this is why you insist the report is false.

Why do so many people in this thread think that the word "schools" means exactly one? Is it merely a lack of reading comprehension?

All the people in this thread who are insisting there was only one school or teacher involved are just as guilty of gross distortion as those who might claim it was a general pattern. It defies logic to think that the school system would go to all this trouble to write up a report if it were truly an isolated case as so many people are insisting. Bureaucracies don't work that way. This situation may not have been so widespread as to be systematic, but it WAS enough to get somebody's attention.

THe report indicated more than one isolated occurance when it used the terms "schools" and "teachers" rather than "A school" and "A teacher".

 

[Iriemon]

I did not read the daily mail. I read the actual report. Did you?

The report indicated that schools (plural) and teachers(pural) were failing to address the holocaust. Nobody said ALL the schools and teachers are doing this, but rather that SOME schools and teachers are doing this.

I must assume you have interviewed each and every teacher in the U.K. and this is why you insist the report is false.

Why do so many people in this thread think that the word "schools" means exactly one? Is it merely a lack of reading comprehension?

All the people in this thread who are insisting there was only one school or teacher involved are just as guilty of gross distortion as those who might claim it was a general pattern. It defies logic to think that the school system would go to all this trouble to write up a report if it were truly an isolated case as so many people are insisting. Bureaucracies don't work that way. This situation may not have been so widespread as to be systematic, but it WAS enough to get somebody's attention.

THe report indicated more than one isolated occurance when it used the terms "schools" and "teachers" rather than "A school" and "A teacher".

The bigger question is why do you continue to defend this position when it has been shown to be false?

Holocaust 'ban' e-mail confusion

E-mails are circulating around the world, claiming the UK has banned the teaching of the Holocaust in schools.

The false suggestion is the action has been taken by the government to avoid offending some Muslim communities.

The source of the rumour may be a report that some history teachers were uncomfortable with sensitive subjects.

In fact the government has reaffirmed that in England, teaching children about the Holocaust is compulsory, and it is not banned elsewhere in the UK.

'Holocaust denial'

The report gave as an example a history department in "a northern city" which "recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils".

The government said there was scope for schools to make their own decisions on what to teach within England's national curriculum.

But a spokesman for England's Department for Education and Skills added: "Teaching of the Holocaust is already compulsory in schools at Key Stage 3 [ages 11 to 14].

BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Holocaust 'ban' e-mail confusion

The 'UK holocaust teaching ban' - it's officially rubbish; spread in e-mail
The BBC follows up on the e-mail that has been doing the rounds recently (including on Digg) about how the UK has supposedly banned the teaching of the holocaust, for fear of offending Muslims. The official response? The story is rubbish - the teaching of the holocaust is compulsory in England, and highly recommended in the other UK nations.

Digg - The 'UK holocaust teaching ban' - it's officially rubbish; spread in e-mail

UK Holocaust Curriculum Removal Emails Are False

Summary: Special thanks to Israel Commentary for setting the record straight.

Holocaust Education in the United Kingdom Over the past weeks there have been a number of rumors circulating via email regarding Holocaust education here in the UK. The emails suggest that the UK Government is removing Holocaust education from the National Curriculum and that in general British schools steer away from teaching what they might consider, a 'controversial' subject. We want to make it clear that our understanding is that the Holocaust is and will continue to be on the National Curriculum and therefore continue to be taught in all UK schools.

Boycott Watch - UK Holocaust Curriculum Removal Emails Are False

Holocaust Teaching Ban in the UK E-mail False

April 16, 2007

The JCPA has received inquiries regarding a widely circulated e-mail that the UK has banned teaching the Holocaust in their history classes for fear of offending Muslim students.

Snopes.com has reported that this accusation is false. For more information from Snopes, please click here.

The Jewish Council for Public Affairs - Internet Rumors and Hoaxes - Holocaust Teaching Ban in the UK E-mail False

 

[Gardener]

The bigger question is why do you continue to defend this position when it has been shown to be false?

Are you functionally illiterate?

I have defended no such thing, as I said the notion that U.K. schools had removed the Holocaust from their curriculum was was demostrably false.

Learn to read, son.

 

[Iriemon]

Originally Posted by Iriemon
The bigger question is why do you continue to defend this position when it has been shown to be false?

Are you functionally illiterate?

I have defended no such thing, as I said the notion that U.K. schools had removed the Holocaust from their curriculum was was demostrably false.

Learn to read, son.

Your statement:

All the people in this thread who are insisting there was only one school or teacher involved are just as guilty of gross distortion as those who might claim it was a general pattern. It defies logic to think that the school system would go to all this trouble to write up a report if it were truly an isolated case as so many people are insisting. Bureaucracies don't work that way. This situation may not have been so widespread as to be systematic, but it WAS enough to get somebody's attention.

I'll let others decide whether the problem is with my reading or your writing.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

You didn't ask the question "how many children were unruly". :roll:
Somehow you keep seeing the word "schools" and "teachers", but insist those words mean exactly one.

While there were more than school and more than one teacher who did something, there was only one cited as having tried to avoid the holocaust.

Just there were more than one child on the field trip who was unruly, only one was cited as having made fart noises while burping the alphabet.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The report indicated that schools (plural) and teachers(pural) were failing to address the holocaust.

For example, a history department in a northern
city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a
topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting
anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among
some Muslim pupils.
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[dragonslayer]

Frankly, I cannot for my life understand what Muslims have to do of the Holocaust. The Holocaust was between the Jews and Germany. I was in Germany in the early the early 1960s, I remember going through the camps, and seeing the photos that been taken by the liberators. the piles of dead, the some walking but almost dead. It was one of the worst events in the history of Europe. Now we have Bush trying to emulate these old camps.

For people deny the truth, is very sad for these people. In Cuba and other foreign countries.

 

[WI Crippler]

Now we have Bush trying to emulate these old camps.

 

[Hatuey]

This is silly. It would be like trying to drop U.S. History lessons that touch on slavery because a few whites might try to deny it. It's very rare to see actual denials of slavery but I've heard of some cases mostly in the south. Point is that trying to avoid certain parts of history because it might offend some is fvcking crazy. We would never learn about Jesus because a few Jews/Italians might be offended. We would never have learned of Mohammed because a few Christians and Jews might be offended. We would never have learned of the U.S. Revolution because it would offend the British and we would have never learned about Texas because Mexicans might be offended. It's all bs. if you don't like what is being taught in a class. Leave.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I think it's much, much more akin to skipping or glossing over the teaching of evolution in our country.

 

[Gardener]

For example, a history department in a northern
city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a
topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting
anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among
some Muslim pupils.
​

I'm glad you are finally coming around in regards to basic reading comprehension, Simon.

Yes, this was a problem at more than one school, and this one school was used as an example.

Much like saying "Pit Bulls have become a problem in my neighborhood with their attacks upon chidlren. For example -- one boy was so badly hurt that he was in intensive care for three weeks.


Does this mean there was only one dog and one boy involved? Of course not. Does it mean all pitbulls attacked children? Of course not. Does in mean all children in the neighborhood were attacked? Of course not. Does it mean the severity of the attacks were such that all children landed in intensive care? Of course not. It means what it says.

When people insist such a statement means something other than what it actually says, they are indulging in :spin: This is just as true for those politically motivated to claim the statement means only one pitbull attacked one child as it does those politically motivated to who claim it means all pit bulls attacked all children.

Read the statement. Stop the spinning.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I'm glad you are finally coming around in regards to basic reading comprehension, Simon.

Yes, this was a problem at more than one school, and this one school was used as an example.

Not all of the problems are involved teachers glossing over the holocaust.
There're multiple issues discussed.
Only one school is listed as having this particular problem. Other schools had different problems.

When people insist such a statement means something other than what it actually says, they are indulging in :spin:

That's what I'm saying.

Read the statement. Stop the spinning.

This is good advice fer ya

 

[Pence]

Regardless of the fact of how many schools/teachers are doing it, it still remains that it's being done. How long has this been going one, and how long will it continue.

What I'm interested in is how you can just gloss over it? Does someone just sit there, coming up with counter arguments for every possible question or example given on said subject in order to cover it up. It's one thing to lie,.. it's another to rewrite history.

Furthermore, to not teach like that only causes more problems for us in the future. One set of people are give one solution while another is given something else. Next thing you know, there start arguing.... and arguing, and then fights break about. Lets fight, and whoever is left standing is the ones who's right.

 

[Vader]

Regardless of the fact of how many schools/teachers are doing it, it still remains that it's being done. How long has this been going one, and how long will it continue.

What I'm interested in is how you can just gloss over it? Does someone just sit there, coming up with counter arguments for every possible question or example given on said subject in order to cover it up. It's one thing to lie,.. it's another to rewrite history.

Furthermore, to not teach like that only causes more problems for us in the future. One set of people are give one solution while another is given something else. Next thing you know, there start arguing.... and arguing, and then fights break about. Lets fight, and whoever is left standing is the ones who's right.

Agreed. If the Muslims do not like being taught about the holocaust, they are free to go back to their own countries and resume life under whichever islamo-nazi regime is currently in power.

The honest truth is that the Muslims are are "offended" by it only because they want to de-sensetize the world to what happened to the jewish population of Europe during WWII. It's hard for them to vilify the jewish people in that region while the world recognizes them as survivors of a holocaust.

Any school dropping the holocaust needs to be closed while the ENTIRE staff of administrators and teachers are fired and their teacher's licenses permanently revoked.

It is UNACCEPTABLE to drop the holocaust because a bunch of brainwashed islamists want to change how the world views Israel and it's occupants.

:shock:

 

[Pence]

Any school dropping the holocaust needs to be closed while the ENTIRE staff of administrators and teachers are fired and their teacher's licenses permanently revoked.

It's not so much of closing the schools and firing teachers. It's just a matter of making sure the cirriculum is being taught proper. You don't have to close down the whole school and fire the whole staff. Just remove the teachers that are doing this, making public knowledge (media, newspapers, etc) of what they where doing and why they were fired, and replace them with more competant people. If you publisize it, then everyone would have to know about it and can't be discredited.

 

[Vader]

It's not so much of closing the schools and firing teachers. It's just a matter of making sure the cirriculum is being taught proper. You don't have to close down the whole school and fire the whole staff. Just remove the teachers that are doing this, making public knowledge (media, newspapers, etc) of what they where doing and why they were fired, and replace them with more competant people. If you publisize it, then everyone would have to know about it and can't be discredited.

Your approach is workable and efficient; however, in cases like this a SERIOUS statement needs to be made. While you're correct in assuming that using the newspaper to publish the names of those fired for this behavior; A story regarding a school being closed and de-ratted would be more effective.

It would let people know that this type of mindless bullshit isn't going to fly. It would send a message to the various communities that says in no uncertain terms "YOU CAN BLEND IN AND BE A MEMBER OF THIS SOCIETY OR YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY" ...

:shock:

 

[Thales]

Your approach is workable and efficient; however, in cases like this a SERIOUS statement needs to be made. While you're correct in assuming that using the newspaper to publish the names of those fired for this behavior; A story regarding a school being closed and de-ratted would be more effective.

It would let people know that this type of mindless bullshit isn't going to fly. It would send a message to the various communities that says in no uncertain terms "YOU CAN BLEND IN AND BE A MEMBER OF THIS SOCIETY OR YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY" ...

:shock:

I think less of a "Blend in or leave" mentality and more of "don't deny reality" mentality would be good, but you're right. This kind of idiocy needs to be stopped and education based on fact, not appeasement, maintained.

 

[Pence]

I think less of a "Blend in or leave" mentality and more of "don't deny reality" mentality would be good, but you're right. This kind of idiocy needs to be stopped and education based on fact, not appeasement, maintained.

I agree with both of you.

 

[SgtRock]

I also agree, we must stop appeasing muslim. We all are offended from time to time. It makes us stronger. Why should muslims be any different. When I started this thread I was sure that the usual appeasers would make excuses for those who would revise or disregard history so as not to offend muslims. They didn't let me down. ~ Sgt Rock

 

[Joe Hill]

That's funny, I thought the Christians in Germany orchestrated the Holocaust. Isn't our chicen$hit government dropping all references to the Christian Armenian genocide to avoid offending the "good" muslims, the Turks? Also, not nice to call Israel an Apartheid state as did Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu. How would they know about such things, anyway?

 

[Vader]

Schools in the UK are dropping lessons on the holocaust to avoid offending muslims. This IMO this political correctness at its worst. To think we should not teach the truth to avoid offending muslims who are taught lies in there homes and mosques is offensive to me and most people.

Why are we so worried about how muslims feel? This story is 4 months old and I have not been able to find any updates on it. If anyone has please post them here. Thankyou, Sgt Rock :rock

read articles on this subject at the links below

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | the Daily Mail

Teachers Drop Holocaust Out of Fear of Muslim Students - Associated Content

Dhimmi Watch: UK: Teachers drop Holocaust, Crusades, for fear of offending Muslims

It's high time schools in the UK dropped muslims from lessons to avoid offending non-muslims.

 

[Tashah]

That's funny, I thought the Christians in Germany orchestrated the Holocaust.

Contemporary German Christians by and large do not deny that the Holocaust occured and that it was orchestrated by their antecedents. Why should Holocaust historicity be any different for contemporary Muslims?