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Teacher had to resign because she wouldn't use students' preferred pronouns and names

Being completely honest, I don't always get the whole pronoun thing like they/them and it would be hard to keep straight BUT if someone told me that's what they want to be called, I would do it. It doesn't affect my life or myself in any way and it most likely does make a difference to them.
 
Couldn't the teacher have just used their name instead of pronouns if she didn't want to use the pronouns the student wanted her to use? It's not like you use he/she in front of that person often anyway.
There are many things the teacher could have done. That she didn't I think is kind of suggestive as to what the problem here is. For example, I almost never call a student by their first name, it's always last name. I usually use "Mr." or "Ms.", but there's no reason one would have to. If the student's last name is "Smith", there's no reason the teacher could not have called on "Smith" to answer a question.
 
Please show me where the bible makes any reference to transgenderism or preferred pronouns. Like most conservative "religious" beliefs, it was made up out of thin air.

IMHO, so was the Bible, yet folks are free to believe othewise. That’s the very essence of free expression of religion.


The public school teachers don't get to call black kids white either, oh the horror.

OK, but if one can freely alter there preferred labels then why can’t others freely ignore them?
 
Being completely honest, I don't always get the whole pronoun thing like they/them and it would be hard to keep straight BUT if someone told me that's what they want to be called, I would do it. It doesn't affect my life or myself in any way and it most likely does make a difference to them.
This is me, 100%. And perhaps it is just because I've always been completely comfortable with my identity and who I am, but I just don't get it. But what do I care what someone wants to be called? Hell, back when I had classes regularly, many of my students had a nickname they wanted me to use.
 
OK, so we have a government employee vs. government management matter for the courts to address.

Her claim is that her free exercise of religion was being denied, since she firmly doesn’t believe that the difference between boys and girls (in her classroom) is a matter of someone else’s personal opinion. You can claim to be a space alien, pony or frog, but that doesn’t mean I must refer to you as such.
So, if she firmly believes that black students are less intelligent than white students, does she get to express that belief in public schools also because it is a “firmly held belief”?
 
IMHO, so was the Bible, yet folks are free to believe othewise. That’s the very essence of free expression of religion.
I'm not aware of any major court case which says you can claim "freedom of religion" in situations to which there's no known religious connotations. In other words, I can't claim to be a Christian and say that I'm opposed to mowing my yard and, therefore, be immune to city ordinances, because of my religion.

Not saying it doesn't exist, just saying I'm not aware of it.
 
A lot of interesting issues in this case. And, although I am an atheist, I have to admit that I am troubled by an otherwise adequate teacher being essentially fired for refusing to engage in behavior she found contrary to her beliefs and biological reality.

I see this as different from the "I won't make a cake for a gay couple" type case as it asks a teacher to affirmatively violate her beliefs rather than call the students by their given names and gender appropriate pronouns.

As much as it galls me to support any kind of religious foolishness, I am hard pressed to see how I could support the district on this one.

Interested to hear the thoughts of others on this case.



They can use their pronouns that correspond with their actual physical bodies. DERP. My god its beyond bizarre that this even has to be said.
Public schools are certainly not the time nor the place to encourage and enable these poor ill students in their illness and cries for attention.

I'd say this teacher should be rewarded handsomely for being fired for the "crime" of acknowledging reality.
 
Leaving aside the legal issues and addressing this from a spiritual standpoint - this teacher's God (Jesus) stated that the greatest commandment was to love God with all one's heart, soul, and mind. The second? Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Love entails two things - compassion, and respect. Is the teacher embodying compassion and respect towards students in this way? Does she somehow lose her soul being kind? She's like the Pharisees who got themselves in a twist because Jesus healed on the Sabbath. They didn't care that a suffering human being had, by virtue of Jesus' love and his disregard for the law been cured. All they saw was a break from religious tradition and they responded with outrage and indignation.

This Christian teacher would honor her God and his teachings better if she chose compassion and respect over religious law.
 
But why wouldn't you? If I object to wearing a shirt to work, does that mean I should be free to go shirtless to work every day? Of course not, at least not if I want to keep that job. What harm does it cause to call students by the name they prefer?

I never claimed that I would not, but if I referred to a male co-worker as *gasp* him after they stated a preference to be referred to as a “two spirit entity from Venus” (until further notice) should I be fired?
 
I never claimed that I would not, but if I referred to a male co-worker as *gasp* him after they stated a preference to be referred to as a “two spirit entity from Venus” (until further notice) should I be fired?
I must have missed when “two spirit entity from Venus” was a pronoun.
 
Your comparison of having to call someone how they want to be called to the holocaust and the Salem witch hunts is horrifically stupid and shows how incredibly dishonest you're being.

On the contrary, it is the left that's being dishonest. 9.2% of high schoolers in Pittsburgh identify as trans. Assuming this isn't because they are desperate for identity affirmation in a "teen" way, then it would stand to reason that 9.2% of the general population is trans, which I submit as ludicrous.

Am I incorrect? What, if any, societal pressure is brought to bear when I make that claim?
 
On the contrary, it is the left that's being dishonest. 9.2% of high schoolers in Pittsburgh identify as trans. Assuming this isn't because they are desperate for identity affirmation in a "teen" way, then it would stand to reason that 9.2% of the general population is trans, which I submit as ludicrous.

Am I incorrect? What, if any, societal pressure is brought to bear when I make that claim?
Who cares?

Teenage years are filled with angst. Teenagers spend a good deal of that phase of life figuring out who they are.

What harm does it do to be supportive of them by calling them the name/pronoun they prefer?

It might be the one place where they can freely express themselves and explore their identity - what harm comes in supporting them instead of ostracizing them?
 
So, if she firmly believes that black students are less intelligent than white students, does she get to express that belief in public schools also because it is a “firmly held belief”?

That is not at all what’s being alleged. Using the pronoun “him” is no more or less indicative of perceived intelligence or social status than the pronoun “her”.
 
That is not at all what’s being alleged. Using the pronoun “him” is no more or less indicative of perceived intelligence or social status than the pronoun “her”.
Using “him” when a person prefers “her” or “they” IS asserting that the teacher’s perception and beliefs are more intelligent or important than the wishes, feelings and beliefs of the student.

So, yes, it is what is being alleged. The teacher is insisting that her personal beliefs as to the pronoun that should be used is correct and superior.
 
This is something of a difficult situation. I read somewhere earlier in the thread where if the teacher just slipped up occasionally, then it shouldn't be a big deal but if the teacher was being deliberately hurtful and insubordinate, then the teacher deserves to be let go. I think that is probably the closest to how I feel about this situation.

It's one thing for the teacher to have her views, but the student's views should be respected too. And, at the end of the day, what does it hurt the teacher to call someone by the name they prefer?

Can you point me to where in the Bible it says it is a sin to call someone a pronoun they prefer?

So you think it should be free for the teacher to say anything she wants, but not free for the student to be referred to in a manner they find respectful? That the student has to be forced by the government to be called something they don't want to be called?
the bible is not the arbiter of someone's religious beliefs. someone's religious beliefs are.


This is something of a difficult situation. I read somewhere earlier in the thread where if the teacher just slipped up occasionally, then it shouldn't be a big deal but if the teacher was being deliberately hurtful and insubordinate, then the teacher deserves to be let go. I think that is probably the closest to how I feel about this situation.

It's one thing for the teacher to have her views, but the student's views should be respected too. And, at the end of the day, what does it hurt the teacher to call someone by the name they prefer?

Can you point me to where in the Bible it says it is a sin to call someone a pronoun they prefer?

So you think it should be free for the teacher to say anything she wants, but not free for the student to be referred to in a manner they find respectful? That the student has to be forced by the government to be called something they don't want to be called?
the student isn't being forced to do anything. if they want to call her something she doesn't like that is perfectly fine.
 
If pronouns are secular, how do you get a religious exemption for them? That doesn't make any sense.
because the religion is against using secular definitions of sex or gender.. I would have thought that obvious.
 
I demand not to pay taxes


My religion forbids it!!!!!!!
 
Being completely honest, I don't always get the whole pronoun thing like they/them and it would be hard to keep straight BUT if someone told me that's what they want to be called, I would do it. It doesn't affect my life or myself in any way and it most likely does make a difference to them.
I would as well, I just do not support government limitation of religious beliefs or free speech for this reason.
 
because the religion is against using secular definitions of sex or gender.. I would have thought that obvious.
So explain how “you” or “they” or a last name goes against a religious belief.

The teacher could have used “they” or referred to the student by their last name.

Wouldn’t have had to “violate their belief” and still would have adhered to the school policy.
 
I never claimed that I would not, but if I referred to a male co-worker as *gasp* him after they stated a preference to be referred to as a “two spirit entity from Venus” (until further notice) should I be fired?
I think that goes back to what I said earlier (which you may not have read)...if it is simply a mistake from time to time, that would be one thing. If it is intentional and hurtful, then that's another thing. Especially if your employer tells you to not do it because it can be hurtful.
the bible is not the arbiter of someone's religious beliefs. someone's religious beliefs are.
You just can't arbitrarily claim a religious exemption absent any evidence of it being religious. That's not how it works.
the student isn't being forced to do anything. if they want to call her something she doesn't like that is perfectly fine.
The student is being forced to be called something they do not want to call. How can you claim the teacher is being forced to do something but not the student when it is the same thing?
because the religion is against using secular definitions of sex or gender.. I would have thought that obvious.
Do you not understand the meanings of the words you are using? You can't claim words are both secular and religious. That's ridiculous.
 
So explain how “you” or “they” or a last name goes against a religious belief.

The teacher could have used “they” or referred to the student by their last name.

Wouldn’t have had to “violate their belief” and still would have adhered to the school policy.

I'm gathering we can all make up our own "religious beliefs" and demand that they be respected.
 
I would as well, I just do not support government limitation of religious beliefs or free speech for this reason.

If you can show me a bible verse that says otherwise, let me know.

Freedom of speech? So you would support a teacher's right to go on a rant about how good drag shows are to 1st graders? Nah don't think so.

Maybe you should pick up a bible and learn the religious beliefs of being kind and compassionate as Jesus taught.

"A man who is kind benefits himself, but a cruel man hurts himself."
 
Haven’t seen that poster - do you have a link?

Posters may be a bit hard to find, but trans topics (in other words, normalizing a very rare syndrome) are rife at a lot of school districts. Trans normalization usually occurs at the school policy level under Equity topics, safe spaces, etc. Would you want a list of trans-affirming links from school districts?

You've not addressed the 10% trans figure. Do you honestly believe that close to 10% of youth are trans?
 
I'm not aware of any major court case which says you can claim "freedom of religion" in situations to which there's no known religious connotations. In other words, I can't claim to be a Christian and say that I'm opposed to mowing my yard and, therefore, be immune to city ordinances, because of my religion.

Not saying it doesn't exist, just saying I'm not aware of it.

I agree that there is much about religion and the 1A which doesn’t seem to make sense. How can we have a national holiday (holy day?) for Christmas (Christ’s mass?) without that being establishment of (or showing preference towards) a state/national religion?

The same seems to be true of gender identity, sexual orientation and (biological?) sex. They either are or are not separate (independent?) concepts. Yet that seems to be contradicted by the following:

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 bans discrimination on the basis of sex by public schools, and the Supreme Court held in 2020 (Bostock v. Clayton County) that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity is sex discrimination.

 
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