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Prisoner sues for sex change
Wisconsin inmate demands completion of procedure
A Wisconsin prisoner, serving 123 years for multiple armed robberies and stabbing another inmate, is suing the state, demanding it provide him with surgery needed to complete a sex change.
Scott Konitzer, who now uses the name Donna Dawn Konitzer after developing some characteristics as a result of state-paid hormone therapy is suing prison officials in federal court for not completing the process.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:This has got to be one of the most insane things I've ever heard:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42522
Pacridge said:Well it's from Newsmax so my first guess is BS. .
jamesrage said:Before dismissing it as BS why not search for other news reports to confirm or contridict the story?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/jan05/295581.asp
Of course stories of this type of insanity is unfortunatly nothing nothing new.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...prison_for_sex_change_and_hormone_treatments/
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_140014.html
http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2006/01/26/5
http://www.thebatt.com/media/paper6....shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.thebatt.com
Pacridge said:I didn't simply dismiss it. I took a guess, based on the source, that it was BS. Given Newsmax's record it wasn't a bad guess. But then you'll note I did some looking into it and posted nine minutes later that there might be some facts behind the story.
Pacridge said:Well it's from Newsmax so my first guess is BS. It could be a lot of things. For all we know the person in question was born with both male and female genitalia and needs the shots to maintain some sort of balance. As for a convict suing the state, no big shock there. Cons do that all the time. Personally I think we need some reforms in the laws to make it more difficult for an inmate to sue the government.
Pacridge said:Well here it is from the Wis. Leg. site itself:
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/assembly/asm84/news/Sex Change 4-5-05.pdf
Maybe there is some truth to this crazy story. I find it odd that the committee voted four to one in passing a motion to stop the DOC from providing the medical procedure. Who would vote for something like this...and why? I mean why isn't the vote 5-0?
I agree with TOT, this is some of the craziest crap I think I've ever heard. That is unless there some part of the story we're not being told.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I heard the story on the news and then found an article on it there's hundreds of them, but where did you get that it was from newsmax in the first place? It's from worldnetdaily.
Pacridge said:I still can't understand why there's even one vote in favor of paying for the procedure.
Pacridge said:Gezz, how many times can I be wrong in the same thread? You're right the story you posted was WND. Sorry I often get them and NM mixed up. Don't have much faith in either.
I still can't understand why there's even one vote in favor of paying for the procedure. Seems like something missing from the story. Though who knows maybe that one rep. has a large trans-gender vote going for them.
The whole thing sounds NUTZ.
Korimyr the Rat said:Well, I have to admit this is the first time I've heard being trans-gendered being referred to as a "disorder".
I can think of a lot of reasons why a man in prison might want to undergo sex-reassignment therapy. Very few of them involve honestly being transgendered.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I really don't give a sh!t what people do but there is no way in hell that the tax payer should be footing the bill in or out of prison.
Oh and correction they called it gender identity disorder, which equally sounds made up to me.
I wonder if demanding that tax payers pay for that horseshit surgery is a mental disorder?It should be and whoever the politician that recomended that tax payers pay for that horse **** sex change surgery should be thrown out of office for being mentally ill.Trajan Octavian Titus said:I really don't give a sh!t what people do but there is no way in hell that the tax payer should be footing the bill in or out of prison.
Oh and correction they called it gender identity disorder, which equally sounds made up to me.
easyt65 said:I saw an interview on the news the other night with (D) Senator Barbara Lee from California, and the statement was made that goverment officials' health benefits, paid for by tax payers, covered sex changes. :shock:
It is now official - California is OUT THERE, man! :doh
jamesrage said:I wonder how contributing to someone's mental disorder a health benifit?
Korimyr the Rat said:Correcting the patient's physical sex causes the disorder to go away.
Korimyr the Rat said:Correcting the patient's physical sex causes the disorder to go away. Gender identity isn't like sexual orientation or various paraphilias-- it isn't just a form of alternative sexual expression.
I don't know if it's even possible to re-align someone's psychological gender as an adult; if it were possible, I suspect that it would most likely involve intensive long-term therapy that would be nearly as expensive and as traumatic as the sex-change operation.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:That's not the point, this is an elective surgery and there is no way in hell that the tax payer should have to pay for it.
Any ways this gender identity disorder sounds like horseshit pseudoscience to me, people are born male people are born female end of story.
DeeJayH said:one word, but its a big one
Hermaphrodites
Trajan Octavian Titus said:That's not the point, this is an elective surgery and there is no way in hell that the tax payer should have to pay for it.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Any ways this gender identity disorder sounds like horseshit pseudoscience to me, people are born male people are born female end of story.
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