Yes, I understand that now. And as I already told M14, I misunderstood what I read and posted before I fully thought about it. Again, if you had read all posts, you would see that, as well.
Engimo said:Because of the fact that the cost of living does not increase proportionately with salary, a flat tax is essentially regressive. 17% of the income of someone making $30,000 is a lot more important to him/her than 17% of the income of someone making $500,000.
Engimo said:While that does make the proposition much more attractive, the fact remains that the middle class is getting the short end of the stick when compared to the upper class -
even if the absolute poorest are doing decently (of course, they're still poor, but they pay no taxes).
Stinger said:The purpose of the tax system is not to make poor people wealthier or rich people poor and even things out. The purpose of the tax system should be to raise the bare necessary revenues to operate the government and doing so with the least intrusion on persons and the economy as a whole. I firmly believe there should be a minimum tax that even the poor pay, and know they pay it not like the gasoline tax. Everyone should have a financial stake in the government even if a very minimal one.
The Mark said:If everyone pays at least a small, or even tiny amount, they would be more inclined to think about who they are electing and if they would be willing to pay said person for said job. I hope.
Engimo said:Because of the fact that the cost of living does not increase proportionately with salary, a flat tax is essentially regressive. 17% of the income of someone making $30,000 is a lot more important to him/her than 17% of the income of someone making $500,000.
DeeJayH said:so get another job, get a different job or get an education so you can get a better job
Poor shouldnt blame the wealthy for their lot in life
without the wealthy their would be no middle class
because there would be no JOBS
we would all be scrounging for our own survival
Conflict said:Approximately 75% of the population cannot get "another" job... get a "different" job... or get an "education" that will further their prosperation in this country. THat is problematic.
This is where communism is made to be rational ... by those who confide in the exploitation of capitialism and the lack of wealth distribution by saying I'm sorry...
Derrrrr It's not my fault that goods and services have inflated over 27 percent in the past decade while the general base pay of the people has failed to reach the projected 4 percent.
A government for the people and by the people, with equal opportunity? LOL!
America is the land of the Brave, and if your not brave enough to see the truth then take your ass to former CCCP.
Conflict said:Approximately 75% of the population cannot get "another" job... get a "different" job... or get an "education" that will further their prosperation in this country. THat is problematic.
Conflict said:This is where communism is made to be rational ... by those who confide in the exploitation of capitialism and the lack of wealth distribution by saying I'm sorry...
Conflict said:Derrrrr It's not my fault that goods and services have inflated over 27 percent in the past decade while the general base pay of the people has failed to reach the projected 4 percent.
Conflict said:A government for the people and by the people, with equal opportunity? LOL!
Conflict said:America is the land of the Brave, and if your not brave enough to see the truth then take your ass to former CCCP.
According to whom, and based on what?Conflict said:Approximately 75% of the population cannot get "another" job... get a "different" job... or get an "education" that will further their prosperation in this country. THat is problematic.
I have always wondered:This is where communism is made to be rational ... by those who confide in the exploitation of capitialism and the lack of wealth distribution by saying I'm sorry...
Conflict said:Approximately 75% of the population cannot get "another" job... get a "different" job... or get an "education" that will further their prosperation in this country. THat is problematic.
This is where communism is made to be rational ... by those who confide in the exploitation of capitialism and the lack of wealth distribution by saying I'm sorry...
Derrrrr It's not my fault that goods and services have inflated over 27 percent in the past decade while the general base pay of the people has failed to reach the projected 4 percent.
A government for the people and by the people, with equal opportunity? LOL!
America is the land of the Brave, and if your not brave enough to see the truth then take your ass to former CCCP.
DeeJayH said:try using sourced facts, rather than the diatribe of the disgruntled who failed to take advantage of what this country has to offer
anybody can be successful through hard work and sacrifice
everything else is excuses
Even if thats true.... so?Loxd4 said:With flat tax everyone would get the same tax rate, which in return would create a bigger gap between the rich and the poor.
Even if that's true... the more the better.And just image how much money would be token out of social programs because the rich would pay less tax so the government couldn’t give as much money out to theses social programs.
Loxd4 said:With flat tax everyone would get the same tax rate, which in return would create a bigger gap between the rich and the poor.
Loxd4 said:And usually when this happens a revolution take place, as seen throughout history.
Loxd4 said:And just image how much money would be token out of social programs because the rich would pay less tax so the government couldn’t give as much money out to theses social programs. I just remember what type of government this is, and it ant’s socialism were everyone is equal. lol
Kandahar said:There's less upward mobility today than there was a hundred years ago, partly because there's less incentive to succeed thanks to our tax laws. Even if the flat tax resulted in a bigger gap (which I don't think it necessarily would), it would make EVERYONE better off. If the poor and middle-class were better off, and the wealthy were a LOT better off...how is that not a good thing? There's nothing wrong with wealth disparity, as long as there's not a situation where people can never better themselves. And we certainly aren't at that point.
Being equal under the law doesn't mean that everyone has to have exactly the same amount of money.
Kandahar said:I recommend everyone read Flat Tax Revolution by Steve Forbes. It is an eloquent description of the many, many reasons that we should scrap our current tax system entirely and start anew with a flat tax. Under Forbes' plan, all income would be taxed at the same amount (he suggests 17%) and would allow generous personal deductions (a family of four would pay no tax on their first $46,000 of income).
Instituting a flat tax is one of the single most beneficial policy changes that our federal government could make.
Its only 'irresposible' if you can show that the people who pay taxes are responsible for providing these public services.Red_Dave said:The problem with Steve Forbes is that he advocates giving everyone a tax cut which will enivitably lead to less money going to public services. Sounds a little iresponsibile and nihilistic to me.
"Waste" an "obscene" amount of money"Im all for an uber tax on the very richest because these people waste an obscene amount of money, alot of which has been made my kicking a ball around or makeing **** records.
"underpaid"? According to whom?Alot of the rich get rich through the labour of underpaid workers so it only seams fair that some of the money goes to makeing there lives easyer.
Red_Dave said:The problem with Steve Forbes is that he advocates giving everyone a tax cut which will enivitably lead to less money going to public services. Sounds a little iresponsibile and nihilistic to me.
Red_Dave said:Im all for an uber tax on the very richest because these people waste an obscene amount of money, alot of which has been made my kicking a ball around or makeing **** records. To me it seams much more sensible to redirect resources that would be wasted on private jets and big houses into healthcare, education, science and maybe some overseas aid. Alot of the rich get rich through the labour of underpaid workers so it only seams fair that some of the money goes to makeing there lives easyer.
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