Tax System Seen as Unfair, in Need of Overhaul

[winston53660]

by all means tell us Winston. Then I can thrash your posts yet again

1. I don't believe half the crap you say. Such as being educated.

2. When have you ever thrashed a post/ Your usual MO is to act like a turtle and pull your head into your shell.

 

[TurtleDude]

so, we should only pay in taxes the EXACT same amount receive in govt. services every year?

some should stop whining that the rich need to pay more when they pay far more than what they use

 

[TurtleDude]

1. I don't believe half the crap you sy. Such as being educated.

2. When have you ever thrashed a post/ You usual MO is to act like a turtle and pull your head into your shell.

Being wrong seems to be a chronic condition with your posts. and others have already schooled you as to me.

 

[winston53660]

Being wrong seems to be a chronic condition with your posts. and others have already schooled you as to me.

Unfortunate for you that your postings don't reflect your claims.

 

[TurtleDude]

Unfortunate for you that your postings don't reflect your claims.

I understand that to the fringe left, education means posting drunk on the commie koolaid

 

[winston53660]

I understand that to the fringe left, education means posting drunk on the commie koolaid

I'm rubber you are glue:roll:

 

[JustinS]

ah the from each according to their ability to each according to their needs

Socialist drivel

Nope. I'm not a socialist. I'm not spouting socialist drivel. I think it's 'non-extremist drivel' that you're looking for, that is if you want to be rhetorical.

lots of people can pay more but the politicians won't make them because they have VOTES

that is the main reason why we have a progressive tax system

buy the votes of the many with stuff paid for by tax hikes on the few

its politics 101

This is why we have a progressive tax system:


If it was a political conspiracy, the Republicans wouldn't be asking for a flat tax. They're politicians, too.

if votes were proportionate to tax dollars paid, the progressive income tax would have gone the way of the do do bird

If votes were proportionate to tax dollars paid, then you have a plutocratic, social-Darwinistic, elitist society without any representation from the poor. Perfect!

 

[LizardofOz]

I understand that to the fringe left, education means posting drunk on the commie koolaid

I don't really agree with most of the people you are arguing with or you but this is how I know when a thread has ran it's course; you, Thunder, and a couple of other (usually liberal people) get in a pissing match about which of you are the biggest asshole. It then concludes with instead of you rebutting anything, you all insult each other because either none of you can admit you are wrong and admit defeat, or once again the whole being an asshole thing. Not your fault none of you can help it. Most especially you TD but most especially Thunder. Happy new years!

 

[JustinS]

I understand that to the fringe left, education means posting drunk on the commie koolaid

1. You don't know what communism means
2. You are a member of the fringe right, that is why you are broad-stroaking all leftists as fringe-left. You can't get 'righter' than that.

 

[TurtleDude]

Nope. I'm not a socialist. I'm not spouting socialist drivel. I think it's 'non-extremist drivel' that you're looking for, that is if you want to be rhetorical.


This is why we have a progressive tax system:
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If it was a political conspiracy, the Republicans wouldn't be asking for a flat tax. They're politicians, too.


If votes were proportionate to tax dollars paid, then you have a plutocratic, social-Darwinistic, elitist society without any representation from the poor. Perfect!

why should people who contribute nothing get more say as to how the public treasury is allocated than those who actually fund it

 

[TurtleDude]

1. You don't know what communism means
2. You are a member of the fringe right, that is why you are broad-stroaking all leftists as fringe-left. You can't get 'righter' than that.

You have no clue what I know and you haven't been around near long enough to have any idea what I believe. I am hardly fringe right and on many issues I am called left-especially on social matters involving bible thumpers

 

[JustinS]

why should people who contribute nothing get more say as to how the public treasury is allocated than those who actually fund it

1. If they can't afford it, they can't contribute it

2. If poor people had no say in how the government is run, they'd get tossed around

3. Poor people are people too. I don't really know what led you to believe otherwise, but poor people have the right to participate in a democratic election, just as they have the right to free speech

4. The taxes contributed to the government by the middle and upper classes is often used to help the poor. It is oxymoronic to make them pay those taxes, especially when they cannot afford them

You have no clue what I know and you haven't been around near long enough to have any idea what I believe. I am hardly fringe right and on many issues I am called left-especially on social matters involving bible thumpers

You are a libertarian. I measure political views based on the Political Compass. When I refer to 'fringe-right', I am only speaking of economic issues. With you being a libertarian, I would naturally expect you to have libertarian social views. I am glad that you are liberal on matters such as Bible thumpers. So am I.

Broad-stroking all leftists as commies demonstrates that you have little understanding of the term. If you know what communism means, then show it.

 

[Thunder]

why should people who contribute nothing get more say as to how the public treasury is allocated than those who actually fund it

cause the only way to do what you say, is to take away the right to vote from folks who pay no Federal income taxes.

and that...would be true tyranny.

 

[TurtleDude]

most of the poor in this country can afford more taxes. the middle class certainly. most of the poor in this country have cell phones, color TVs and often cars-and in many cases multiple cars.

the reason why the poor and middle class are undertaxed compared to what they demand from government is so the don't vote against those who pander to them

The awkward truth is that the US income tax system taxes everyone but the rich lightly compared to other countries.

the top one percent of British tax payers pay less than one quarter of the Brit Income tax burden.

check this out, the middle class isn't pay its fair share


Divided We Stand: Why Inequality Keeps Rising




Look Past Taxes to Fix Global Puzzle of Inequality: Clive Crook - Bloomberg

 

[TurtleDude]

cause the only way to do what you say, is to take away the right to vote from folks who pay no Federal income taxes.

and that...would be true tyranny.

tyranny is when the majority have the power to continually take the wealth of others without having any wealth of their own at stake

 

[Thunder]

most of the poor in this country can afford more taxes. the middle class certainly. most of the poor in this country have cell phones, color TVs and often cars-and in many cases multiple cars.

the reason why the poor and middle class are undertaxed compared to what they demand from government is so the don't vote against those who pander to them...

what evidence do you have that the current tax-code, which has lots of benefits & deductions, is set up to have half of the country not pay any income taxes so that they will vote for the Democrats?

 

[Thunder]

tyranny is when the majority have the power to continually take the wealth of others without having any wealth of their own at stake

um.....a nation ruled by a super-majority of its people...is a strange form of tyranny.

who should the government listen to, but a super-majority of its people?

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

TD - you're an attorney.... what does the constitution say about voting rights again?

 

[TurtleDude]

um.....a nation ruled by a super-majority of its people...is a strange form of tyranny.

who should the government listen to, but a super-majority of its people?

I don't see quantity as equally quality. I find pure democracy as evil as a despotic monarchy or a fascist dictatorship

 

[TurtleDude]

TD - you're an attorney.... what does the constitution say about voting rights again?

you mean the amendments to the constitution? The constitution didn't guarantee anyone voting rights. women didn't vote in 1800

 

[JustinS]

I don't see quantity as equally quality. I find pure democracy as evil as a despotic monarchy or a fascist dictatorship

...or a plutocracy, which seems to be the system you are advocating. If this isn't fringe-right, I don't know what is. How about we just go back to slavery? Is that good enough? You sound like freaking Plato.

you mean the amendments to the constitution? The constitution didn't guarantee anyone voting rights. women didn't vote in 1800

The Constitutional amendments are part of the Constitution.

 

[TurtleDude]

They are amendments to the constitution and are referenced as such by those of us who actually deal with constitutional law but they do have the same legal implications.

 

[JustinS]

They are amendments to the constitution and are referenced as such by those of us who actually deal with constitutional law but they do have the same legal implications.

Then what's the point of arguing over minor details when you have just been asked a serious question?

tyranny is when the majority have the power to continually take the wealth of others without having any wealth of their own at stake

Wait a second, let me ask you something: have the rich ever went down a class, entirely due to taxation? Has that ever happened?

 

[haymarket]

why should people who contribute nothing get more say as to how the public treasury is allocated than those who actually fund it

Because the US Constitution says so.
As to the "people who contribute nothing" just who exactly would that be?

 

[haymarket]

tyranny is when the majority have the power to continually take the wealth of others without having any wealth of their own at stake

Just who is it in the USA who does not pay any taxes?