SYRIA: Let our Enemies Wipe Each Other Out.

[ecofarm]

I'm still wondering about a fruit Christian. :lol:

He was pretending there is no link between Christians and the WBC or clinic bombers, as if that's just coincidence. I don't think he has any idea that the point was demonizing groups according to a few nutbags or that he is, in effect, arguing that real Muslims are not terrorists.

 

[ChrisL]

He was pretending there is no link between Christians and the WBC or clinic bombers, as if that's just coincidence. I don't think he has any idea that the point was demonizing groups according to a few nutbags or that he is, in effect, arguing that real Muslims are not terrorists.

Well if they were ALL terrorists, we'd really be screwed!

 

[HoongLoong]

What does that mean?


Quote Originally Posted by HoongLoong View Post
IMO, there is no doubt as to who is the Master of Deflection & Evasion...., nay.....the GOD of Deflection & Evasion.

Master and god are not mutually exclusive.

Your posts seem to indicate that you are so Pro- Syrian (or Arab) that you are Syrian. So, when you stated that you were with the Airborne, I (and probably others) assumed you were a Syrian. Or, at least an Arab.

I was with the 101st.....i.e. AMERICAN Airborne.

Hence, we probably faced off against each other. GEDDIT ?

Next point:

Never said that Master and "God" are mutually exclusive. I was simply elevating you to an unmistakably loftier position in the hierarchy of "Deflection & Evasion."

Please note that while Master and God are not mutually exclusive.......there is a possibility that being a "Master" is on a human level.

 

[ecofarm]

Well if they were ALL terrorists, we'd really be screwed!

Not all terrorists, just all the enemy. Sure, some of my best friends in Africa are Muslims, but he knows more.

Praise be to Allah... Praise be to Allah.

Have you been outside the country (of your own accord)?

Allah be to praise.

 

[ecofarm]

Your posts seem to indicate that you are so Pro- Syrian (or Arab) that you are Syrian. So, when you stated that you were with the Airborne, I (and probably others) assumed you were a Syrian. Or, at least an Arab.

I was with the 101st.....i.e. AMERICAN Airborne.

Hence, we probably faced off against each other. GEDDIT ?

Were you infantry and what years?

Next point:

Never said that Master and "God" are mutually exclusive. I was simply elevating you to an unmistakably loftier position in the hiearchy of "Deflection & Evasion."

Please note that while Master and God are not mutually exclusive.......there is a possibility that being a "Master" is on a human level.

Ok, this line of crap is getting stupid.

 

[HoongLoong]

Truth be told... I just like bold, caps, hate and apparently random thoughts.

Truth be told.......I don't care what you like.

 

[ChrisL]

Not all terrorists, just all the enemy. Sure, some of my best friends in Africa are Muslims, but he knows more.



Have you been outside the country (of your own accord)?

Allah be to praise.

I had neighbors (a couple - no kids) who were Muslims. I never really talked to them outside of saying hello and small talk, but they seemed nice enough, never bothered anyone, kept to themselves and were very courteous neighbors. Better than some other neighbors I've had. Those are the only Muslims I've ever known though.

 

[HoongLoong]

Not true. I was mocking your disconnected argument.

Sorry. I am sure you are aware of how much I think of your mental gyrations.

 

[DiAnna]

It worked in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq. Those countries are no longer slaughtered by their leadership, are no longer in violation of UNSCRs and they enjoy development projects instead of sanctions.

I don't think it is optimistic at all to expect the new leadership to bow down to UN dollars (after being neutered militarily).

The leadership is more than happy to accept foreign dollars. However, history has proven that those foreign dollars line the pockets of leadership and are not used to further the interest of either the country or its people.

Also, the leadership of these countries may not be slaughtering their people, but their people are now slaughtering each other and trying to slaughter their leadership as well. These are simply not countries on which a solution may be imposed; these are countries that must join the global community because they and their people wish to do so. That is not going to happen in a matter of years. If it happens at all, it will take decades, if not generations.

 

[ecofarm]

The leadership is more than happy to accept foreign dollars. However, history has proven that those foreign dollars line the pockets of leadership and are not used to further the interest of either the country or its people.

Also, the leadership of these countries may not be slaughtering their people, but their people are now slaughtering each other and trying to slaughter their leadership as well. These are simply not countries on which a solution may be imposed; these are countries that must join the global community because they and their people wish to do so. That is not going to happen in a matter of years. If it happens at all, it will take decades, if not generations.

It will take generations (just like it did for every country), but it's about time they (we) got started. We cannot allow them (us) to wallow in total darkness for generations. Another nK is unacceptable, and that's what Iran will become under the current totalitarian regime with nukes.

 

[ecofarm]

Sorry. I am sure you are aware of how much I think of your mental gyrations.

I think calling them gyrations is a hint.

Apology accepted.

 

[ChrisL]

It will take generations (just like it did for every country), but it's about time they got started. We cannot allow them to wallow in total darkness for generations. Another nK is unacceptable, and that's what Iran will become under the current totalitarian regime.

Hopefully, there are other ways to accomplish that besides war though.

 

[DiAnna]

It will take generations (just like it did for every country), but it's about time they got started. We cannot allow them to wallow in total darkness for generations. Another nK is unacceptable, and that's what Iran will become under the current totalitarian regime.

I do not disagree with you in principle. However, we cannot impose a solution on a country whose people will not accept that solution. Iraq and Afghanistan has proven that. We took over. We implemented "democracy". The people continue to revolt against their government and slaughter each other wholesale in bloody civil war.

Iranians themselves will decide if they wish to revolt against their government, or if they wish to revolt against each other, or if they wish their country to remain as it is. It simply is not up to us to decide for them. If we do, millions will die and in the end, it will be just another failed "imposed solution" leading to civil war and decades of internal violence.

 

[cpwill]

Hopefully, there are other ways to accomplish that besides war though.

Sure. For example, we could try a charm offensive, or a reset button. That seems to have worked pretty well with Russia and Syria.

 

[ChrisL]

I do not disagree with you in principle. However, we cannot impose a solution on a country whose people will not accept that solution. Iraq and Afghanistan has proven that. We took over. We implemented "democracy". The people continue to revolt against their government and slaughter each other wholesale in bloody civil war.

Iranians themselves will decide if they wish to revolt against their government, or if they wish to revolt against each other, or if they wish their country to remain as it is. It simply is not up to us to decide for them. If we do, millions will die and in the end, it will be just another failed "imposed solution" leading to civil war and decades of internal violence.

I agree totally, but the one problem is that even if the people decide to revolt, they don't have the weapons or the means to do it and would need outside help.

 

[ecofarm]

I do not disagree with you in principle. However, we cannot impose a solution on a country whose people will not accept that solution.

Self-rule is not an imposition.

Iraq and Afghanistan has proven that. We took over. We implemented "democracy". The people continue to revolt against their government and slaughter each other wholesale in bloody civil war.

We did the civil war thing too, don't judge them (us).

Iranians themselves will decide if they wish to revolt against their government,

Let's not be naive. In the modern world, people generally do not have the power to fight against an entrenched regime.

or if they wish to revolt against each other,

They should have that ability.

or if they wish their country to remain as it is.

Let's not belittle minorities (women, gays, etc), they have no power under such regimes.

It simply is not up to us to decide for them. If we do, millions will die and in the end, it will be just another failed "imposed solution" leading to civil war and decades of internal violence.

It's not about deciding for anyone, it's about ushering a new system - one which we all treasure. They might choose fundie Islam for a couple generations. The important thing is they have the choice.

 

[ChrisL]

Sure. For example, we could try a charm offensive, or a reset button. That seems to have worked pretty well with Russia and Syria.

I don't think President Obama has a very good grasp on how to deal with them. President Bush and Putin were good buddies. It's important for a president to know how to be diplomatic when it comes to dealing with foreign leaders, and yes charm is a part of that. The ME is different situation than Russia IMO.

 

[ecofarm]

Hopefully, there are other ways to accomplish that besides war though.

Hope is nice, democracy is better.

 

[cpwill]

Iranians themselves will decide if they wish to revolt against their government

Yeah, they did. We stood by and did nothing but offer mealymouthed statements about how we wished both sides would talk to each other while the government brutally repressed the movement, remember?

Interesting side note; the large number of young, school age girls who were beaten and rounded up led to the discovery of an interesting TTP (tactic, training, and procedure) on the part of Iranian security forces: Apparently, given the culture they live in, part of the method of ensuring that female members don't get family support that would enable them to continue to promote criminal ideology is that part of the in-processing to Iranian prison is that you get gang-raped by whatever officers / guards happen to be on duty at the time. That way, even if they are released without charges a few days later, they are shamed, and can no longer serve as effective spokespersons for the movement.

They're really lovely fella's, those Iranians.

 

[TiredOfLife]

Hope is nice, democracy is better.

Democracy? In the Middle East? Yikes.

 

[JumpinJack]

Bush was duped by Putin. What was it Bush said about him? "I look into his eyes and I can tell he's a good man." Bush, nice guy though he was and still is, was just clueless about foreign affairs. Obama seems to have a better grasp on foreign affairs, and so understands our limitations in dealing with the Middle East.

 

[ChrisL]

Yeah, they did. We stood by and did nothing but offer mealymouthed statements about how we wished both sides would talk to each other while the government brutally repressed the movement, remember?

Interesting side note; the large number of young, school age girls who were beaten and rounded up led to the discovery of an interesting TTP (tactic, training, and procedure) on the part of Iranian security forces: Apparently, given the culture they live in, part of the method of ensuring that female members don't get family support that would enable them to continue to promote criminal ideology is that part of the in-processing to Iranian prison is that you get gang-raped by whatever officers / guards happen to be on duty at the time. That way, even if they are released without charges a few days later, they are shamed, and can no longer serve as effective spokespersons for the movement.

They're really lovely fella's, those Iranians.

I don't think anyone thinks they're "lovely fellas" just that it's not our responsibility to solve everyone else's problems all the time. We spend tons of money and lives to do it. Why? What do we get out of it? Do you think that you're going to stop terrorism this way? What is the ultimate goal?

 

[cpwill]

I don't think President Obama has a very good grasp on how to deal with them. President Bush and Putin were good buddies. It's important for a president to know how to be diplomatic when it comes to dealing with foreign leaders, and yes charm is a part of that. The ME is different situation than Russia IMO.

Yeah... problem. Europeans and Japanese and South Koreans and Thais and Indians all see "charm" as an important and enabling part of diplomatic inter-action, and respect you if you use it. Iranians, Russians, and Arabs tend to see it as 'weakness', and figure they can take advantage of you if you use it.

Ultimately, the only real way to stop the current Iranian regime from developing nukes is to do so through breaking their stuff and maybe killing a few of their people. They aren't going to give up on what they see as their core strategic objective simply because you asked them nicely.

 

[ChrisL]

Bush was duped by Putin. What was it Bush said about him? "I look into his eyes and I can tell he's a good man." Bush, nice guy though he was and still is, was just clueless about foreign affairs. Obama seems to have a better grasp on foreign affairs, and so understands our limitations in dealing with the Middle East.

Bull, everyone hates Obama and thinks he's a sucker. I'm stunned that anyone would think his foreign policy is anywhere near good or even adequate for that matter. Look at all that's going on. Look at him "drawing lines" and then backing off. To people in the ME, that shows WEAKNESS in a man.

 

[ecofarm]

I agree totally, but the one problem is that even if the people decide to revolt, they don't have the weapons or the means to do it and would need outside help.