Surprise New Leader In Recent Iowa Poll

[Puigb]

Wouldn't we all?

Eh, they all for the most part would be pushing the same lousy Republican agenda, but yes a president Bush or Rubio would be easily preferable to Trump. Cruz? Blah, he's just awful, and Pence is in someways worse than Trump.

 

[Nalu]

Cheated a Charity!

Hahaha, I wonder if we can all do that or if it'll get a spanking.

 

[Common Sense 1]

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances, according to news reports at the time. He funded the construction of the $1 billion Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened in 1990. By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 billion in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in personal liabilities, so the business decided to file for Chapter 11 reorganization, according to the New York Times. As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post!

So what? As long as you know Trump will easily win reelection in 2020!

 

[ocean515]

No, it wasn't. You still haven't looked up bigotry yet? It includes intolerance. The poster wasn't expressing intolerance. He reported a statistic about IA's ethnic makeup.

You are welcome to defend bigotry and racism as much as you want.

For those opposed to such thinking, when someone writes "I'm shocked that Trump has small leads in a rural state made up of 91% white people that he won by 10% 3 years ago." they know exactly what they are seeing.

Had the statement been, I'm shocked that Trump has small leads in a rural state that he won by 10% 3 years ago, there wouldn't be any issue.

Add in the race issue, and the racism and bigotry being conveyed is crystal clear.

Again, defend that if you must, you have a right to believe anything you want.

 

[AGENT J]

By definition it was a perfect example of bigotry, and I should add, racism.

2.)bigotry
[ˈbiɡətrē]

NOUN
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

1.) nope there wasnt in the post at all in anyway, only the false narrative YOU made up in your head hence why multiple posters blasted it for the pure failed and hilarious dishonesty it was. Racism??? :lamo
2.) Awesome!! thank you for posting that and proving your false claim factually wrong


Fact remains by definition there was factually no bigotry in that post.
In the future dont post lies like that and they wont get exposed so easily, you're welcome!

 

[CaughtInThe]

hey, at least the President that modern day republicans cheer so hard for didn't screw small businesses out of $$$$ by using Federal Bankruptcy protection multiple times...

"Trump acquired the Plaza Hotel in New York for $390 million in 1988. By 1992, the hotel had accumulated $550 million in debt. As a result of the bankruptcy, in exchange for easier terms on which to pay off the debts, Trump relinquished a 49 percent stake in the Plaza to a total of six lenders."


This is the same person that Trump voters WANT to be in charge of everything with no oversight and whose lead in Iowa is razor thin.

You guys do understand why US Banks won't touch him with a ten foot pole while Trump voters put up signs praising him.

 

[ocean515]

1.) nope there wasnt in the post at all in anyway, only the false narrative YOU made up in your head hence why multiple posters blasted it for the pure failed and hilarious dishonesty it was. Racism??? :lamo
2.) Awesome!! thank you for posting that and proving your false claim factually wrong


Fact remains by definition there was factually no bigotry in that post.
In the future dont post lies like that and they wont get exposed so easily, you're welcome!

Thanks for sharing your personal opinion on the matter. I don't agree with it.

You don't get to define what I see as racism and bigotry.

If you think you do, what does that make you?

Careful, your SJW creds are at stake here.

 

[AGENT J]

Who said that someone will act in a certain mannor? White rural voters tend to lean towards Trump, therefor it's not a surprise that an area chock full of white rural voters is slightly leaning towards trump. Calling this bigoted is silly.

How dare you post common sense and facts like that!!!! LOL

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Thanks for sharing your personal opinion on the matter.
2.) I don't agree with it.
3.) You don't get to define what I see as racism and bigotry.

This is awesome, i knew this would be fun!

1..) like others i posted facts that proved you wrong lol
2.) you dont have to agree, facts dont care about your feelings
3.) what you "see" as racism or bigotry is meaningless to the fact there was none. You are also free to see 2+2 as being equal to 546 . . just like now you would remain fatually wrong

The fact remains there was ZERO bigotry/racism in that post, if you or ANYBODY disagrees by all mean present one fact that supports your proven wrong claim . . one . . thanks!

opcorn2:

 

[roughdraft274]

You don't get to define what I see as racism and bigotry.

Completely right. You get to make up **** all you want But we don't have to buy into it.

 

[Nalu]

No. There are a fair number of people form even the GOP that completely lost their sad pathetic little minds as well. All you have to do is watch them regurgitate the same proven lies over and over in thread after thread even after having those lies soundly refuted in previous threads, to recognize them and see them as the sad pathetic ****s that they are.

Look...there is a difference between not liking a president, even opposing their policies and then hating him blindly. I supported Obama as commander in chief but saw him as a very weak leader and someone that completely lacked integrity with his military positions. He ran on a platform in opposition to the Bush administration, and then damned if he didnt not only continue those practices...he escalated them. SO OK..admit you ****ed up...you were wrong, and the practices are the right thing to do. His economic policies were dismal. His investment in green energy programs were nothing more than a political payoff to party contributors. His foreign policy was weak beyond words. For all the **** the leftists talk about Trump and Putin, Obama was Putins butt boy. It was embarrassing. Obama endorsed the selling of North American uranium to Russian countries...that isnt smart. Obama dug us deeper in debt to the Chinese while ignoring the Chinese trade practices.

But Obama wasnt Satan. He made bad choices, but really...he just made democrat choices. You can disagree with the directions people want to take the country...thats why we have elections. Yu can disagree with democrats and not hate them. You can disagree with republicans, and not hate them. Hell, I lefty the GOP because of Bush...but I dont hate the guy.

This thing with Trump...for leftists? Thats just sheer hatred.

That's an unfair overgeneralization. I agreed that most Democrats probably don't like Trump because he's a Republican president. While that certainly isn't the only reason, if a person would oppose any person from a party simply because she is a member of that party, then it's a distinguishment that matters.

"Leftists", though, who oppose Trump don't all hate him. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Trump and/or oppose his policies. To boil them all down to "sheer hatred" is an unrealistic and overly simplistic dismissal of valid criticisms.

 

[ocean515]

Completely right. You get to make up **** all you want But we don't have to buy into it.

You are welcome not to agree. It's apparent I don't have the right to my opinion though.

Do people on the left understand how often they prove their totalitarian, do as I say or else, agenda?

It's really rather amazing.

 

[AGENT J]

You are welcome not to agree. It's apparent I don't have the right to my opinion though.

Do people on the left understand how often they prove their totalitarian, do as I say or else, agenda?

It's really rather amazing.

Wow this keeps getting better and better!

totalitarian?, add that to the list of words you factually used wrong in this thread LMAO
The fact remains there was ZERO bigotry/racism in that post, if you or ANYBODY disagrees by all mean present one fact that supports your proven wrong claim . . one . . thanks!

 

[Nalu]

Eh, they all for the most part would be pushing the same lousy Republican agenda, but yes a president Bush or Rubio would be easily preferable to Trump. Cruz? Blah, he's just awful, and Pence is in someways worse than Trump.

I would probably dislike a President Cruz almost as much as a President Trump but for different reasons. I would probably disagree with a President Pence more than a President Trump, but I don't think I'd dislike him as much.

 

[Nalu]

You are welcome to defend bigotry and racism as much as you want.

For those opposed to such thinking, when someone writes "I'm shocked that Trump has small leads in a rural state made up of 91% white people that he won by 10% 3 years ago." they know exactly what they are seeing.

Had the statement been, I'm shocked that Trump has small leads in a rural state that he won by 10% 3 years ago, there wouldn't be any issue.

Add in the race issue, and the racism and bigotry being conveyed is crystal clear.

Again, defend that if you must, you have a right to believe anything you want.

Oh, so now it's not just bigotry, but it's racism too. And conservatives say that liberals overuse those words.

 

[roughdraft274]

You are welcome not to agree. It's apparent I don't have the right to my opinion though.

Do people on the left understand how often they prove their totalitarian, do as I say or else, agenda?

It's really rather amazing.

So first you pretend that something is bigoted, now you pretend that someone is saying you aren't allowed to have an opinion?

Jesus Christ. Set the victim card aside. It's unbecoming.

 

[ocean515]

Oh, so now it's not just bigotry, but it's racism too. And conservatives say that liberals overuse those words.

If the shoe fits, Cinderella

 

[HumblePi]

Maybe I'm looking at polls such as this that compares the pro-Trump numbers with those of the top five democratic candidates, Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg and Klobuchar as not a good representation of where people are going to vote in 2020.

As it stands currently the top five candidates, Biden and Saunders at 22%, Pete Buttigieg at 18% and Elizabeth Warren at 12% and Amy Klobuchar at 10% represents a combined 84% of the survey. In my way of thinking, that 84% represents what party voters are going to support and at best, the polls only show that Trump is ahead of Joe Biden by 4%.

Once the DNC picks their nominee, then you can lump all those polling numbers for the democratic candidates down to one single candidate. All those people who supported Biden, Sanders, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Warren and whoever else, will now be behind just one single man or woman and their VP choice.

 

[Nalu]

If the shoe fits, Cinderella

It doesn't.

 

[AGENT J]

If the shoe fits, Cinderella

It doesnt, facts and definitions hilariously destroyed your false claims. When that fact changes please let us know, thanks!

 

[ocean515]

It doesn't.

Sure it does. It's not for you to decide. Deal with it.

 

[ocean515]

It doesnt, facts and definitions hilariously destroyed your false claims. When that fact changes please let us know, thanks!

It does. And your SJW credentials have been revoked.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)It does.
2.) And your SJW credentials have been revoked.

1.) false facts/definitions > than your proven lies
2.) Hey look a failed personal failed attack but yet no facts to support your false claim. I love it!! Par for the course.

Please let us know when you can support your false claim, thanks!

 

[Nalu]

Sure it does. It's not for you to decide. Deal with it.

What things can and should be classified as bigoted or racist is certainly a matter of opinion. I'm not trying to change yours, but words can't arbitrarily be given new meanings to suit your purpose in a given conversation. This has become a minute-by-minute problem among Trump supporters. The post that set you off on this misguided path simply didn't exhibit bigotry or racism.

 

[Slavister]

Guess who is the closest to Trump in Iowa...

Biden 49%-45%
Sanders 50%-43%
Warren 50%-43%.
Pete Buttigieg 46%-45%

Trump did win it by 10% last time, so we shouldn't be too shocked if Iowa is trending Trump now.

However, I still think dismissing Iowa outright is short sighted. Iowa is a swing state and does vote Democrat from time to time (or Obama twice, lol).

I don't think it was dismissed. I think he was just pointing out that it's not some wildly shocking "surprise" as described in the OP.

I wasn't claiming the Democrats should abandon Iowa, but when we are talking about a state that is made up predominantly of Trump's base that he won by 10% last time, it's not really a revelation when polls show him beating Democrats by a handful of points. He's barely outside the margin of error.

That's why I like to look at the trends for the same pollster. I think that's more meaningful...

In the last, October, poll, it's unclear if Buttigieg was even present for the head-to-head match up, but certainly does look like Trump gained ground on the others!