I don’t see a Yes or No answer in your response. You equivocated.
Duty to retreat in the home? Yes or No?
Prove otherwise.
CDC says 500,000 to 3 million per a year. 1.7 million is right in the middle.
I notice that most of these folks don’t have the courage of their convictions. He would probably take Joe Biden’s advice and fire his shotgun through the door.
See below
Prove your own statements.
That's some methodology you got there. Now prove your claim with some actual research, not guesstimated.
www.forbes.com
thereload.com
Old news. They removed it because it was inaccurate. What scientific study is published which has such a large margin of error. And it wasn't a CDC study, it was a compilation of other's research. Get your facts straight and give me that actual number of SDGU that I requested. And make it more recent han 2008.That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
Why did the CDC fail to publish 1990s research on numbers of defensive gun uses?
Actual study:
Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
Read chapter Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence: In 2010, more than 105,000 people were injured or killed in the Uni...nap.nationalacademies.org
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Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
And emails prove that the Biden administration removed the data from the CDC website after pressure from gun control advocates.
Emails Show CDC Removed Defensive Gun Use Stats After Gun-Control Advocates Pressured Officials in Private Meeting
The Center For Disease Control (CDC) deleted a reference to a study it commissioned after a group of gun-control advocates complained it made passing new restrictions more difficult.
Guess they couldn’t handle the truth being out there.
No, they removed it because the gun control advocates embedded in the Biden White House demanded they remove it. It was posted formally a decade.
I provided the latest study that shows 1.7 million DGUs. You provide the data to refute it. Data.What scientific study is published which has such a large margin of error. And it wasn't a CDC study, it was a compilation of other's research. Get your facts straight and give me that actual number of SDGU that I requested. And make it more recent than 2008.
Yeah . Much of that is not true.Good question. I asked ChatGPT that, with references:
"Guns in the home significantly increase the risk of suicide, primarily because firearms are highly lethal and allow for very little time for second thoughts or intervention. Here’s a detailed explanation, followed by key references:
Why Guns in the Home Increase Suicide Risk
- Lethality of Firearms
- Firearms are the most lethal method of suicide, with a fatality rate of over 85–90%, compared to much lower rates for other methods (e.g., poisoning or cutting).
- Suicidal crises are often brief and impulsive; if a firearm is available, the person is more likely to die during that moment of distress.
- Increased Risk of Suicide in Homes with Guns
- Multiple large-scale epidemiological studies show that the presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide by 2 to 10 times, depending on the population studied.
- This risk applies to all household members, not just the gun owner.
- Firearm Access Does Not Reflect Greater Suicidal Intent
- People who attempt suicide using firearms are not necessarily more suicidal than those who use less lethal methods. Rather, the method makes the difference in survival.
- Youth and Impulsive Acts
- Adolescents and young adults, who are more prone to impulsive behavior, are especially vulnerable when firearms are accessible.
- Substitution Myth
- The idea that people will just "find another way" is not fully supported by data. Restricting access to highly lethal means (like firearms) reduces suicide rates because many people do not substitute methods.
Key References
- Anglemyer, A., Horvath, T., & Rutherford, G. W. (2014).
- The accessibility of firearms and risk for suicide and homicide victimization among household members: a systematic review and meta-analysis.
- Annals of Internal Medicine, 160(2), 101–110.
- DOI: 10.7326/M13-1301
- Findings: People with access to firearms are more than 3 times more likely to die by suicide than those without access.
- Miller, M., Hemenway, D., & Azrael, D. (2007).
- State-level homicide and suicide rates: the role of gun prevalence.
- American Journal of Public Health, 97(4), 667–672.
- DOI: 10.2105/AJPH.2005.084992
- Findings: States with higher gun ownership have significantly higher suicide rates, especially firearm-related suicides.
- Conwell, Y., & Brent, D. (1995).
- Suicide and aging I: Patterns of psychiatric diagnosis.
- International Psychogeriatrics, 7(2),
Clinical Implication
For clinicians, especially in emergency medicine, psychiatry, and primary care, lethal means counseling is a critical intervention. Asking about firearms in the home and advising safe storage or temporary removal during a crisis can save lives."
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
No they didn’t remove it because it was inaccurate. They removed it because it was not politically correct .Old news. They removed it because it was inaccurate. What scientific study is published which has such a large margin of error. And it wasn't a CDC study, it was a compilation of other's research. Get your facts straight and give me that actual number of SDGU that I requested. And make it more recent han 2008.
But you are just guessing .
Yup. And we have the emails to prove it. From my link that poppop obviously didn’t read.No they didn’t remove it because it was inaccurate. They removed it because it was not politically correct .
It was acknowledged by the cdc that defensive gun use was definitely more prevalent vs criminal uses of a firearm.
Defensive gun use. 2021 national firearms survey.
“The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year”
2021 National Firearms Survey: Updated Analysis Including Types of Firearms Owned
This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professionalpapers.ssrn.com
Sure. That's why observational studies undergo statistical analysis on their data to tease out the causative weight of all the different variables.
Yeah . Much of that is not true.
First. Countries like s. Korea have high suicide rates . Yet low firearms .
Surely suicide people can find highly deadly means without firearms.
Second. On “ rarely substitute”. Yeah s. Korea shows that people will use other lethal means.
However. If some is suicidal and you remove their firearms . Rarely will they use another method. But that’s because of other factors like getting treatment or being watched /more attention paid etc.
Third. Studies show that there is a significant difference between suicide completers . And suicide attempters.
Suicide completers are more likely to use a highly lethal means such as firearm , hanging , or fall from a height.
Suicide completers are not impulsive and are more likley to have a plan and leave a note .
Suicide attempters are more likely to use less lethal means such as drug overdose . Even when more lethal means like firearms are readily available.
So yes intent is different.
Apples to oranges?: A direct comparison between suicide attempters and suicide completers - PMC
Suicide attempters and completers may represent different but overlapping groups of distressed individuals. Although depression is related to an increased risk of suicide, the presence of depression may not discriminate suicide attempters from ...
Previous research and popular conceptualizations of suicide have posited that many suicides are the result of impulsive, “on a whim” decisions. However, recent research demonstrates that most suicides are not attempted impulsively, and in fact involve a plan.
Revisiting Impulsivity in Suicide: Implications for Civil Liability of Third Parties - PMC
Previous research and popular conceptualizations of suicide have posited that many suicides are the result of impulsive, “on a whim” decisions. However, recent research demonstrates that most suicides are not attempted impulsively, and in fact ...
We were talking about violent crime in general. But we can focus on suicides if you want.
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Mechanism: Why does gun access increase suicide?
Not refuting a guesstimate. Find a real study, or not. (There isn't one.)
Live in fear and anger...
You asserted a specific relationship between total firearms and firearm violence. That is incorrect.
Don't make ignorant universal misrepresentation and you will have a conversation.
I answered the question. You failed to understand.
Use a dictionary if you have problems understanding an answer.
Criminal culture creates battlefields in our neighborhoods. Most lawful gun numbers are more law-abiding than police.
The left can't meme
Comments so ridiculous that only an academic could come up with them.We were talking about violent crime in general. But we can focus on suicides if you want.
Study: Miller, Azrael, & Hemenway (2002), "Household firearm ownership and suicide rates in the United States"
- Published in: Epidemiology
- Finding: States with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher firearm suicide rates, even after controlling for poverty, urbanization, and mental illness rates.
- Conclusion: Firearms in the home substantially increase the risk of suicide.
Study: Brent et al. (1991), "The presence and accessibility of firearms in the homes of adolescent suicide victims"
Published in: JAMA
- Finding: Adolescents who died by suicide were significantly more likely to have lived in homes with firearms, despite similar rates of depression and suicidal thoughts compared to controls.
- Conclusion: The lethality of firearms—not a greater propensity to attempt—is the key variable.
Study: Webster et al. (2004), "Association between youth-focused firearm laws and youth suicides"
- Published in: JAMA
- Finding: States with stricter child access prevention laws had significantly lower suicide rates among youth.
- Conclusion: Legal restrictions on firearm access save lives.
Study: Chapman et al. (2006), "Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms: Faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and mass shootings"
- Published in: Injury Prevention
- Finding: After Australia’s 1996 National Firearms Agreement (NFA), firearm suicides fell significantly. There was no evidence of method substitution (i.e., people did not just switch to other means).
- Conclusion: Stronger gun laws reduced overall suicide deaths by removing access to a lethal method.
Study: Kellermann et al. (1992), "Suicide in the home in relation to gun ownership"
- Published in: New England Journal of Medicine
- Finding: People living in homes with firearms were nearly 5 times more likely to die by suicide than those without guns.
- Conclusion: Keeping a gun in the home is a major risk factor.
- Suicidal crises are often impulsive and brief.
- Firearms are the most lethal method (case fatality rate >85%), while most other methods are far less likely to result in death.
- People who survive suicide attempts often do not go on to die by suicide, so means restriction can save lives.
Everyone knows you have to smoke them for that to work.
No, but you can't discount the behavior that people willingly engage in.