Surge in gun deaths in states relaxing their gun laws.

[Lursa]

You made an incorrect calculation intended to misrepresent the risk of firearm violence.

Cool, please specify where it was incorrect. The numbers and ratio are there.

I think the lying comes from those, such as yourself, who try to diminish or misrepresent or rationalize the significance of tens of thousands of firearm deaths and injuries.

"You think" wrong, as usual

 

[poppopfox]

No insult. Typical miltary idiom. Perhaps it's not used by seamen?

 

[CLAX1911]

You made an incorrect calculation intended to misrepresent the risk of firearm violence.

Does this word salad come with dressing?

I think the lying comes from those, such as yourself, who try to diminish or misrepresent or rationalize the significance of tens of thousands of firearm deaths and injuries.

Nobody gets injured by a firearm and nobody dies from a firearm.

 

[Spock]

Cool, please specify where it was incorrect. The numbers and ratio are there.

As I mentioned, the entire concept is faulty and I have explained that repeatedly, but you do not seem able to process the information.

"You think" wrong, as usual

You do not think that you are a firearm apologist or that your "proportion" based on faulty and irrelevant data was not intended to misrepresent the importance and extent of firearm death and injury?

 

[RF667799]

No fear. I do not fabricate concerns about personal safety or exaggerate the risk of crime.
You admit to fear and that validates your unnecessary need for self-defense firearms.

What leads you to that conclusion? I think you're just making shit up.

 

[Spock]

What leads you to that conclusion? I think you're just making shit up.

Just more of your lying again.
You have no worry about home invasion as stated earlier?
If not, you would not advocate for firearm defense in those cases.

 

[RF667799]

No insult. Typical miltary idiom. Perhaps it's not used by seamen?

There's a lot of those that are insults. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[RF667799]

Just more of your lying again.
You have no worry about home invasion as stated earlier?
If not, you would not advocate for firearm defense in those cases.

What sort of defense should I advocate for?

I mean...I got the guns right here. Why not use them?

 

[Spock]

What sort of defense should I advocate for?

I mean...I got the guns right here. Why not use them?

Just admit to your lying if you want a discussion.

 

[RF667799]

Just admit to your lying if you want a discussion.

I don't believe I'm lying about anything, and you haven't shown I am.

 

[ataraxia]

I would say that his knowledge of the subject is only Google deep but I think he has gone beyond that to ChatGPT deep.

Waiting for links to studies to support what you say, like I have- IOW, to go beyond your personal-opinions-deep.

 

[rahl]

You made an incorrect calculation intended to misrepresent the risk of firearm violence.

There is no such thing as firearm violence. Inanimate objects can’t commit acts of any kind.

I think the lying comes from those, such as yourself, who try to diminish or misrepresent or rationalize the significance of tens of thousands of firearm deaths and injuries.

30x’s less than motor vehicles.

 

[Spock]

There is no such thing as firearm violence. Inanimate objects can’t commit acts of any kind.

null and void

30x’s less than motor vehicles.

Lets think about this. Motor vehicle accidents occur when the vehicle is activated and in motion performing the purpose for which it was intended.
An equivalent situation would be how often firearms are in active use and which fraction of those uses result in death or injury.
That would be the calculation to make, not some distorted comparison to accidental injury in frequently used devices.

 

[RF667799]

null and void

Lets think about this. Motor vehicle accidents occur when the vehicle is activated and in motion performing the purpose for which it was intended.
An equivalent situation would be how often firearms are in active use and which fraction of those uses result in death or injury.
That would be the calculation to make, not some distorted comparison to accidental injury in frequently used devices.

So go ahead and make that calculation.

BTW, when the guy in New Orleans ran over those people with his Ford truck, was he not using it for the purpose for which it was intended?

 

[rahl]

null and void

Reality

Let’s think about this. Motor vehicle accidents occur when the vehicle is activated and in motion performing the purpose for which it was intended.

Oh boy, this is going to be fun.

An equivalent situation would be how often firearms are in active use and which fraction of those uses result in death or injury.
That would be the calculation to make, not some distorted comparison to accidental injury in frequently used devices.

Special pleading.

30x’s more people are killed or injured via motor vehicles than by firearms.

 

[Spock]

Reality

Oh boy, this is going to be fun.

Special pleading.

30x’s more people are killed or injured via motor vehicles than by firearms.

How many episodes of vehicle use occur yearly? How many episodes of firearm use occur yearly?
There are at least 400 BILLION auto trips per year. auto deaths= 40,000 + 2.4 million injuries firearm deaths yearly= 46,000 + estimated 60,000 injuries.

Ignoring the fact that firearm injuries are more severe usually than motor vehicle injuries, the real comparison between auto death and injury and firearm death and injury must acknowledge that the motor vehicle risk is very low compared to the tremendous risk of a utilized firearm.

Compared to firearm usage, motor vehicles are tremendously safer.
vehicle risk: 2,440,000/400,000,000,000 =0.0000061 death or injury per use

Lets assume that the million defensive gun uses per year are an under count and firearms are used 3 million times a year. I'll be generous.
100,000/ 3,000,000= 0.03 death or injury per use. On the other hand, if every firearm (as you gun apologists often want to use) in America is used yearly 100,000/400,000,000 = 0.00025 death or injury per use (or firearm)

You lose, again. Firearms as a class are far more dangerous (even when unused in storage) to society than motor vehicles.

National Household Travel Survey Daily Travel Quick Facts | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

Daily Travel is a trip from one point to another on a single day.

www.bts.gov

 

[CLAX1911]

How many episodes of vehicle use occur yearly? How many episodes of firearm use occur yearly?
There are at least 400 BILLION auto trips per year. auto deaths= 40,000 + 2.4 million injuries firearm deaths yearly= 46,000 + estimated 60,000 injuries.

Ignoring the fact that firearm injuries are more severe usually than motor vehicle injuries, the real comparison between auto death and injury and firearm death and injury must acknowledge that the motor vehicle risk is very low compared to the tremendous risk of a utilized firearm.

Compared to firearm usage, motor vehicles are tremendously safer.
vehicle risk: 2,440,000/400,000,000,000 =0.0000061 death or injury per use

Lets assume that the million defensive gun uses per year are an under count and firearms are used 3 million times a year. I'll be generous.
100,000/ 3,000,000= 0.03 death or injury per use if every firearm (as you gun apologists often want to use) in America is used yearly 100,000/400,000,000 = 0.00025 death or injury per use (or firearm)

You lose, again. Firearms as a class are far more dangerous (even when unused in storage) to society than motor vehicles.

National Household Travel Survey Daily Travel Quick Facts | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

Daily Travel is a trip from one point to another on a single day.

www.bts.gov

False equivalence.

 

[RF667799]

How many episodes of vehicle use occur yearly? How many episodes of firearm use occur yearly?
There are at least 400 BILLION auto trips per year. auto deaths= 40,000 + 2.4 million injuries firearm deaths yearly= 46,000 + estimated 60,000 injuries.

Ignoring the fact that firearm injuries are more severe usually than motor vehicle injuries, the real comparison between auto death and injury and firearm death and injury must acknowledge that the motor vehicle risk is very low compared to the tremendous risk of a utilized firearm.

Compared to firearm usage, motor vehicles are tremendously safer.
vehicle risk: 2,440,000/400,000,000,000 =0.0000061 death or injury per use

Lets assume that the million defensive gun uses per year are an under count and firearms are used 3 million times a year. I'll be generous.
100,000/ 3,000,000= 0.03 death or injury per use. On the other hand, if every firearm (as you gun apologists often want to use) in America is used yearly 100,000/400,000,000 = 0.00025 death or injury per use (or firearm)

You lose, again. Firearms as a class are far more dangerous (even when unused in storage) to society than motor vehicles.

National Household Travel Survey Daily Travel Quick Facts | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

Daily Travel is a trip from one point to another on a single day.

www.bts.gov

When someone deliberately harms another, it isn't the firearm...or the knife...or the rope that was being dangerous.

And there are far more than 3 million uses of firearms per year.

 

[Lursa]

As I mentioned, the entire concept is faulty and I have explained that repeatedly, but you do not seem able to process the information.

You do not think that you are a firearm apologist or that your "proportion" based on faulty and irrelevant data was not intended to misrepresent the importance and extent of firearm death and injury?

Cool, please specify where it was incorrect? The numbers and ratio are there. Lying about your disputing it is sad.

"You think" wrong, as usual Your word salad stinks of desperation.

 

[JMB1911A1]

No insult. Typical miltary idiom. Perhaps it's not used by seamen?

Huh, 35 years in and around the military here.

I think you are backpedaling.
- You tried to hide the personal insult by using asterisks. The word is not blocked by this forum.
- You immediately deleted it.

My statement stands.

 

[poppopfox]

Huh, 35 years in and around the military here.

I think you are backpedaling.
- You tried to hide the personal insult by using asterisks. The word is not blocked by this forum.
- You immediately deleted it.

My statement stands.

 

[JMB1911A1]

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Don’t have the courage to:
- Stand by your statement, or
- Offer a real apology.

Says a lot more about you than me.

 

[Spock]

How many episodes of vehicle use occur yearly? How many episodes of firearm use occur yearly?
There are at least 400 BILLION auto trips per year. auto deaths= 40,000 + 2.4 million injuries firearm deaths yearly= 46,000 + estimated 60,000 injuries.

Ignoring the fact that firearm injuries are more severe usually than motor vehicle injuries, the real comparison between auto death and injury and firearm death and injury must acknowledge that the motor vehicle risk is very low compared to the tremendous risk of a utilized firearm.

Compared to firearm usage, motor vehicles are tremendously safer.
vehicle risk: 2,440,000/400,000,000,000 =0.0000061 death or injury per use

Lets assume that the million defensive gun uses per year are an under count and firearms are used 3 million times a year. I'll be generous.
100,000/ 3,000,000= 0.03 death or injury per use. On the other hand, if every firearm (as you gun apologists often want to use) in America is used yearly 100,000/400,000,000 = 0.00025 death or injury per use (or firearm)

You lose, again. Firearms as a class are far more dangerous (even when unused in storage) to society than motor vehicles.

National Household Travel Survey Daily Travel Quick Facts | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

Daily Travel is a trip from one point to another on a single day.

www.bts.gov

 

[rahl]

How many episodes of vehicle use occur yearly? How many episodes of firearm use occur yearly?
There are at least 400 BILLION auto trips per year. auto deaths= 40,000 + 2.4 million injuries firearm deaths yearly= 46,000 + estimated 60,000 injuries.

Ignoring the fact that firearm injuries are more severe usually than motor vehicle injuries, the real comparison between auto death and injury and firearm death and injury must acknowledge that the motor vehicle risk is very low compared to the tremendous risk of a utilized firearm.

Compared to firearm usage, motor vehicles are tremendously safer.
vehicle risk: 2,440,000/400,000,000,000 =0.0000061 death or injury per use

Lets assume that the million defensive gun uses per year are an under count and firearms are used 3 million times a year. I'll be generous.
100,000/ 3,000,000= 0.03 death or injury per use. On the other hand, if every firearm (as you gun apologists often want to use) in America is used yearly 100,000/400,000,000 = 0.00025 death or injury per use (or firearm)

You lose, again. Firearms as a class are far more dangerous (even when unused in storage) to society than motor vehicles.

National Household Travel Survey Daily Travel Quick Facts | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

Daily Travel is a trip from one point to another on a single day.

www.bts.gov

Motor vehicles kill or injure 30x more people than firearms. I’m sorry you have so much trouble with basic math.

 

[Spock]

Motor vehicles kill or injure 30x more people than firearms. I’m sorry you have so much trouble with basic math.

Firearms are far more dangerous than motor vehicles and a bigger social problem. Sorry you have trouble with reality.