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Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Pure crap.

The ninth simply says that rights are not restricted to those enumerated.

How those rights are realized is a complex process and there is no pecking order.

Fed has certain powers

States have certain powers.

People have rights.

The only way those rights are protected are though the states and fed depending on what you are talking about.
The Court explained that the right to privacy was inherent in the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments. The Bill of Rights created “zones of privacy” into which the government could not intrude. “The First Amendment has a penumbra where privacy is protected from governmental intrusion…while it is not expressly included in the First Amendment its existence is necessary in making the express guarantees fully meaningful.” The Court continued, “The Third Amendment in its prohibition against the quartering of soldiers ‘in any house’ in time of peace without the consent of the owner is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the “right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incrimination Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: ‘The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.’” Finally, the Court concluded that privacy within marriage was a personal zone off limits to the government. “Would we allow the police to search the sacred precincts of marital bedrooms for telltale signs of the use of contraceptives? The very idea is repulsive to the notions of privacy surrounding the marriage relationship. We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights…”

Griswold v Connecticut

So, if a person's marriage and the privacy of what goes on in that marriage (in reference to birth control) is off limits to the government.....wouldn't medical procedures such as abortion also be off limits to the government? After all a person's decision in reference to their own body is far more sacred than decision inside a marriage.
 
Who said it was? Those rights are protected. There can be no laws forbidding interracial sex. None forbidding gay sex (Those on the books are illegitimate now and no longer enforced). The right to consensual sex is protected.

Reproductive rights are protected as well. The state cannot force women to use implanted birth control.

No right is absolute both those are both clearly rights protected for Americans, under the 9th A.

Only for those we decide who can consent.

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I asked where any right to privacy was ENUMERATED. Your arguments are all derivatives.

Stop moving the goal posts.

There is nothing enumerated about privacy. End of discussion.
I showed 1A does not allow the state to restrict my private thoughts (beliefs). The state cannot force me express those beliefs, they are private. That is an inherent right.
 
The Court explained that the right to privacy was inherent in the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments. The Bill of Rights created “zones of privacy” into which the government could not intrude. “The First Amendment has a penumbra where privacy is protected from governmental intrusion…while it is not expressly included in the First Amendment its existence is necessary in making the express guarantees fully meaningful.” The Court continued, “The Third Amendment in its prohibition against the quartering of soldiers ‘in any house’ in time of peace without the consent of the owner is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the “right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incrimination Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: ‘The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.’” Finally, the Court concluded that privacy within marriage was a personal zone off limits to the government. “Would we allow the police to search the sacred precincts of marital bedrooms for telltale signs of the use of contraceptives? The very idea is repulsive to the notions of privacy surrounding the marriage relationship. We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights…”

Griswold v Connecticut

So, if a person's marriage and the privacy of what goes on in that marriage (in reference to birth control) is off limits to the government.....wouldn't medical procedures such as abortion also be off limits to the government? After all a person's decision in reference to their own body is far more sacred than decision inside a marriage.

Boy, you missed out.

We've already discussed Douglas' BS.

That is all about to get flushed.
 
Sorry, poor wording. Roe established a right to an abortion via a right to privacy. If they overturn Roe then the court has stated that there is no derived right to abortion. So, going back to the post I was responding to, arguing that they can't throw it back to the states because it is a right misses the point since the ruling itself would establish be saying it's not a right.
Griswold established a right to privacy in reference to decisions about contraception.
 
I can't help but think about the many times Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett assured the Senate Judiciary Committee and the American people that Roe v. Wade was “established precedent.”

I didn’t believe them, but they said it under oath.

Senator Collins claimed to believe them at the time, and we all called her naive. Now she's pretending to be all hurt and disillusioned.
Did they promise to never overturn a precedent, ever?
 
I showed 1A does not allow the state to restrict my private thoughts (beliefs). The state cannot force me express those beliefs, they are private. That is an inherent right.

And I showed that such an argument is meaningless because you can't put a thought in a jar and the state can't control your thoughts. If they could, Biden would be trying (and his minions are trying as much as they can by cutting you off from things they feel would adversely affect your thinking).

The state can force you in some instances.

You think it's O.K. to lie ? Try doing it on the witness stand.
 
none of that is BS. So, you think now that the government has a vested interest in telling people how and when and with whom they can have sex?

Please stop making up stuff to argue against.

Douglas pulled his "right to privacy" out of his ass.

And I already posted an article that discusses restrictions on "consensual sex".
 

Only for those we decide who can consent.

THere is an age of consent for this country, not dependent on having sex, so you fail there.

Some states allow marriage earlier but parental consent is required.

Try again? Or just recognize that those are unenumerated rights protected under the Const.
 
Please stop making up stuff to argue against.

Douglas pulled his "right to privacy" out of his ass.

And I already posted an article that discusses restrictions on "consensual sex".
Griswold was specifically about CONTRACEPTION and the government fining people because CONTRACEPTION was illegal. Do you think that contraception is not a right? Do you think the government can tell you that you cannot legally use contraception?
 
THere is an age of consent for this country, not dependent on having sex, so you fail there.

Some states allow marriage earlier but parental consent is required.

Try again? Or just recognize that those are unenumerated rights protected under the Const.

And that age has adjusted. So there is an age where you can't consent. Rights are universal.

Don't need to try again. They are not protected rights.
 
Where exactly is the state given that power, though? The 10th Amendment? My reading of the 10th Amendment's last 4 words disputes that. If people don't have the power to even decide what happens to their own bodies - and if that power isn't implied by the 10th Amendment, then what power could ever conceivably be conveyed "to the people" by the 10th Amendment?
The people of the state do,. They elect state legislators, and those legislators make the law, and then they stand for reelection. That is government by the people and accountable to the people, not government by robed justices with lifetime tenure.

Seriously, read up on why those two amendments were written. They had nothing to do with checking the authority of states. They had everything to do with curbing federal authority.
 
And I showed that such an argument is meaningless because you can't put a thought in a jar
That is not an argument that denies my right to privacy over what religion or any other thought I wish to have.
and the state can't control your thoughts.
I know they can't, THAT IS THE POINT. They are PRIVATE, that is what the 1stA says.


“If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men’s minds.”
 
Griswold was specifically about CONTRACEPTION and the government fining people because CONTRACEPTION was illegal. Do you think that contraception is not a right? Do you think the government can tell you that you cannot legally use contraception?

What I think does not matter. What matters is what is out there.

Griswold, Douglas and his penumbra of unenumerated rights is about to get flushed....at least in part.
 
You're a guy and you have to use the Supreme Court to control women there's not a star in our universe that can tan your balls enough.
 
Or better yet, let's be a majority rule country rather than a Christo-fascist nation.

Suits me. If Roe is overturned, majority rule is what you'll get.
 
That is not an argument that denies my right to privacy over what religion or any other thought I wish to have.

I know they can't, THAT IS THE POINT. They are PRIVATE, that is what the 1stA says.


“If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men’s minds.”

Even if they wanted to control your thoughts, they physically can't.

How hard is that to comprehend.
 
Here's another one for you via Washington Times. I believe the pro-life argument is indeed the 14th and 5th amendment.

The debate on the issue lies with the concept of whether or not, a fetus constitutes as a person or at least at what point in the fetus' existence does it "transform" into a person. Under most circumstances "states rights" when pertaining to civil rights is a cop-out answer. It is trying to have it both ways or appear to be "not extreme".

The 14th specifies 'born.' So there is no argument there in the pro-life side's favor without altering the amendment. The moron in that article quotes that and then just ignores it :rolleyes:

How does the 5th apply in a way that the pro-lifers can use?
 
Try reading the history of it.
When someone cites the 9th Amendment claiming it validates their point they almost always don't have the first clue as to what they're talking about. It's the favorite amendment for people who don't care about following the law. Way to call them out on it.
 
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