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Supreme Court deadlocked on Oklahoma Catholic charter school funding case

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The Supreme Court was deadlocked on Thursday on whether to allow Oklahoma to establish the country's first taxpayer-funded religious charter school.

The court split 4-4, with Justice Amy Coney Barrett recusing herself from the proceedings, therefore affirming the Oklahoma Supreme Court's ruling, which had blocked the approval of a charter for St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School because of its religious affiliation. The high court did not elaborate on the reason for its decision.

The Oklahoma Supreme Court found in its ruling that a religious charter school would violate the state constitution.

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Interesting...didnt see that coming; a deadlock.

But, I am glad to see there will be no taxpayer funding for religious schools; sets a bad precedent.
 
Bum said:
The Supreme Court was deadlocked on Thursday on whether to allow Oklahoma to establish the country's first taxpayer-funded religious charter school.

The court split 4-4, with Justice Amy Coney Barrett recusing herself from the proceedings, therefore affirming the Oklahoma Supreme Court's ruling, which had blocked the approval of a charter for St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School because of its religious affiliation. The high court did not elaborate on the reason for its decision.

The Oklahoma Supreme Court found in its ruling that a religious charter school would violate the state constitution.

MSN

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Interesting...didnt see that coming; a deadlock.

But, I am glad to see there will be no taxpayer funding for religious schools; sets a bad precedent.
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Aren't charter schools "private schools'?
 
What about Muslim schools? Jewish schools?
 
Bum said:
The Supreme Court was deadlocked on Thursday on whether to allow Oklahoma to establish the country's first taxpayer-funded religious charter school.

The court split 4-4, with Justice Amy Coney Barrett recusing herself from the proceedings, therefore affirming the Oklahoma Supreme Court's ruling, which had blocked the approval of a charter for St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School because of its religious affiliation. The high court did not elaborate on the reason for its decision.

The Oklahoma Supreme Court found in its ruling that a religious charter school would violate the state constitution.

MSN

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Interesting...didnt see that coming; a deadlock.

But, I am glad to see there will be no taxpayer funding for religious schools; sets a bad precedent.
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The precedent is just put off until a similar case comes before them and Barrett doesn't recuse herself.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
What about Muslim schools? Jewish schools?
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No.

The Tarek bin Zeya Academy in Saint Paul Minnesota was a Muslim Charter school and was shut down because it was a religious charter school masquerading as a world studies school.
 
SCOTUS comes through again.

These guys and gals have been pretty great.
 
Bum said:
No.

The Tarek bin Zeya Academy in Saint Paul Minnesota was a Muslim Charter school and was shut down because it was a religious charter school masquerading as a world studies school.
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From the article in the OP:
Historically, charter schools take taxpayer money, are open to all students, and have free tuition.
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The Supreme Court heard arguments Wednesday in a pivotal case over whether Oklahoma may establish the nation’s first taxpayer-funded religious charter school
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So, should religious charter schools get public funding?
 
Cope said:
Not run by the state would seem to mean not state sponsored. I guess I don't see the connection to the establishment/promotion of a particular religion.

I am sure our government provides funding to 'religious' entities so it can't be that.
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Taxpayer funded religious school.....seems pretty clear where the problem is.
The article spelled it out.
 
What was the reason for Barrett’s recusal?
 
Bum said:
The Supreme Court was deadlocked on Thursday on whether to allow Oklahoma to establish the country's first taxpayer-funded religious charter school.

The court split 4-4, with Justice Amy Coney Barrett recusing herself from the proceedings, therefore affirming the Oklahoma Supreme Court's ruling, which had blocked the approval of a charter for St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School because of its religious affiliation. The high court did not elaborate on the reason for its decision.

The Oklahoma Supreme Court found in its ruling that a religious charter school would violate the state constitution.

MSN

www.msn.com
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Interesting...didnt see that coming; a deadlock.

But, I am glad to see there will be no taxpayer funding for religious schools; sets a bad precedent.
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Public funding of private school. Does that mean all the rich progressive universities ought not be getting federal dollars? Harvard for instance, along with many many others. Harvard has billions in endowement, they don't need our tax dollars.
Public k-12 schools need better management, better teachers in some cases, much better discipline practices, but overall they are very good. WE only hear about the "bad ones". If you look at them, discipline issues and apathy are usually a big part of the problem
I've been open to vouchers but I'm shifting away from that view for a couple of reasons.
1. Everyone should be paying taxes for the public services we provide in this country, public schools being one of those. Some say they have no kids, well I'm sure they use some service that's tax dollar funded I don't use, so there you go.
2. I have lots of friends and family in the education business. The more I look the less I like the overall product of private schools. Educationally I don't think most of them are any better than the average public school. Major difference being that private generally have less discipline issues to deal with. Otherwise, I think if you peal off the top 10 - 20% of public students and compare them to private, they score every bit as well.
3. Biggest public school problem is that they have the tasks of educating the masses. All of the kids from every situation and all of the disturbed and "problem" kids that have to be provided with the educational opportunity. Many of them just don't want to be there, and don't want to work and behave. I know that's not the majority, but they create problems in the classroom for everyone. Most private schools have little of this. Private schools do have some poor and troublesome students, but mommy and daddy can afford to keep them in the choice schools.
SO, everyone pays for the service whether they use it or not. If you chose to send your kid to a private school, that's on you. Your taxes pay for public programs.
Schools, healthcare, social services, infrastructure, public safety, defense and military, research and development. All this is funded with tax revenue, federal grants, state and local funding.
If you want your child to go to private schools, pay for it along with paying your taxes. The promise is your taxes will pay for public education, not to support private institutions.
 
Religious organizations already are tax free, funding private, religious schools is unnecessary. We fund the public schools, we shouldn't siphon money away for vouchers or other private school funding initiatives.
 
Bum said:
The Supreme Court was deadlocked on Thursday on whether to allow Oklahoma to establish the country's first taxpayer-funded religious charter school.

The court split 4-4, with Justice Amy Coney Barrett recusing herself from the proceedings, therefore affirming the Oklahoma Supreme Court's ruling, which had blocked the approval of a charter for St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School because of its religious affiliation. The high court did not elaborate on the reason for its decision.

The Oklahoma Supreme Court found in its ruling that a religious charter school would violate the state constitution.

MSN

www.msn.com
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Interesting...didnt see that coming; a deadlock.

But, I am glad to see there will be no taxpayer funding for religious schools; sets a bad precedent.
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Then, that's it. The OK ruling stands.

Justice Barett is turning-out to not be quite so bad as many portrayed.

Yes - she was with the majority opinion on Roe. But has (IMHO) often been reasonable on the multitude of subsequent issues.
 
Bum said:
With a deadlocked SCOTUS, there is really no reason to elaborate....a deadlock means the Oklahoma ruling stands.
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I know the result, but the SCOTUS said (spelled out?) nothing.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Public funding of private school. Does that mean all the rich progressive universities ought not be getting federal dollars? Harvard for instance, along with many many others. Harvard has billions in endowement, they don't need our tax dollars.
Public k-12 schools need better management, better teachers in some cases, much better discipline practices, but overall they are very good. WE only hear about the "bad ones". If you look at them, discipline issues and apathy are usually a big part of the problem
I've been open to vouchers but I'm shifting away from that view for a couple of reasons.
1. Everyone should be paying taxes for the public services we provide in this country, public schools being one of those. Some say they have no kids, well I'm sure they use some service that's tax dollar funded I don't use, so there you go.
2. I have lots of friends and family in the education business. The more I look the less I like the overall product of private schools. Educationally I don't think most of them are any better than the average public school. Major difference being that private generally have less discipline issues to deal with. Otherwise, I think if you peal off the top 10 - 20% of public students and compare them to private, they score every bit as well.
3. Biggest public school problem is that they have the tasks of educating the masses. All of the kids from every situation and all of the disturbed and "problem" kids that have to be provided with the educational opportunity. Many of them just don't want to be there, and don't want to work and behave. I know that's not the majority, but they create problems in the classroom for everyone. Most private schools have little of this. Private schools do have some poor and troublesome students, but mommy and daddy can afford to keep them in the choice schools.
SO, everyone pays for the service whether they use it or not. If you chose to send your kid to a private school, that's on you. Your taxes pay for public programs.
Schools, healthcare, social services, infrastructure, public safety, defense and military, research and development. All this is funded with tax revenue, federal grants, state and local funding.
If you want your child to go to private schools, pay for it along with paying your taxes. The promise is your taxes will pay for public education, not to support private institutions.
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My wife and I did pay to send our kids to a private STEM academy, and I have no issue paying taxes to support public schools, just not publicly funded religious schools.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I know the result, but the SCOTUS said (spelled out?) nothing.
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If a deadlock means no SCOTUS ruling, what would be the point?
Thats my take on it anyway. 🤷‍♂️
 
Cope said:
Not run by the state would seem to mean not state sponsored. I guess I don't see the connection to the establishment/promotion of a particular religion.

I am sure our government provides funding to 'religious' entities so it can't be that.
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Taxpayer funds' supporting religious schools violates separation of church and state.
 
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