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Supreme Court backs parents seeking to opt their kids out of LGBTQ books in elementary schools

Well, here is a test......
Earlier in this thread someone brought up science such as the theory of Evolution being taught.
There's are several theories out there on how life began on this planet. What if all were taught including Creation? How do you think Progressives would respond to such a thing?
Creation isn't a theory though, it's a belief. Evolutionary theory bases itself on all of the existing discoveries on past life and the planet's climate, events etc. Abiogenesis is at least rooted in the scientific theory on how life can evolve from non living matter versus the baseless idea of intelligent creation.
 
Correct. Teachers promoting LGBT or heterosexuality/cisgender lifestyles would be wrong. They should be unbiased, because they are not professional activists for a cause. It's really pretty straightforward and easy to comprehend.



I don't call out any posters because I'm not in junior high, so I understand that conceptual discussions are more productive than throwing rocks on the playground. I learned that about 40 years ago or so. This is also a pretty straightforward and easy idea to comprehend.



I've already stated I wouldn't make the same decision that they would. And I already asked you in an earlier post (which you unsurprisingly avoided responding to) about what exactly you want me to do to people with whom I have different opinions. Are you suggesting I should flog them with bamboo or something?



I support the government allowing parents to parent their own children and leave strangers like yourself out of it, yes. You seem to think other people's children is your personal business, whereas I do not think it's my business.

Your position is one of entitlement. My position is one of minding my own business.

If you want to make decisions about children, you're free to have your own children, adopt, etc. and decide what's right for them. You don't get to do that with other people's children, and neither do I. I don't have a problem with that, while you do.

Pretty sure that telling posters that there is a difference between acknowlement and promotion isn't the stuff of middle school. You essentially allow them to bastardize your own opinion.

Reminds me of the old quote about liberals not taking their own side in a debate.

It's like saying one opposes segregated schools but supports parents sending their kids to private segregated schools because parents are always right.
 
I support people's right to marry whoever they want. We live in a free society. But let's not indoctrinate and normalize this to children. That's when it crosses a line.
what do you mean by that? what exactly do you oppose being "normalized" in children? being gay? or what?

since orientation is not a choice, and just being gay doesn't hurt anyone, being gay SHOULD be "normalized" in the sense of being accepted.

if that's what you are talking about of course
 
Creation isn't a theory though, it's a belief. Evolutionary theory bases itself on all of the existing discoveries on past life and the planet's climate, events etc. Abiogenesis is at least rooted in the scientific theory on how life can evolve from non living matter versus the baseless idea of intelligent creation.
that's the big thing here. creationism isn't a scientific theory. teach it in church, sure, but it shouldn't be taught in school as science, no matter how much people believe it or want it to be true.
 
You need to ask the parents of the local school district their reasoning.
No it was in the Supreme Court case.
What you and the rest of the leftist activists are trying to do is sneak in books like what Kennedy reading from under the guise of being like the book you cited.
First I am a conservative and second that’s a bald faced lie. Thats just right wing propoganda . I defy you to find that these books have become standard reading material in schools.
So far the only justification of demanding that books like Kennedy was reading from be injected into grade school libraries has been 'because trans exist', and because student who opt out of reading such books will fail reading competency.
No. No one is demanding that books “ like Kennedy read” be in schools.
I gave an example of a book that was banned and fact they are banning books from school libraries were I live. You know why the Purim superhero was banned? Because the character has two dads
That’s it.

Neither is really a justification of why sexual content such as this need be made available to, or forced on, prepubescents grade schoolers.
Again ain’t happening. You realize the same people telling you this is commone place are the same people who told you immigrants were eating dogs right?

Some claim that its to further grooming children for sexual predators, this sexually objectifying children, but this isn't a position which I've taken here in these forums.
Again complete lie. Again it’s the same people who told you Covid was a hoax, that doctors were all in a conspiracy to give you a vaccine that would kill you.

The context and purpose of the bible is significantly different than the books you want the library to have, and the sexual content you wish to expose grade school prepubescent children to.
Actually it’s meant and used as a means of controlling people. That’s why at one time the Bible was the only book people were allowed to read.
The Bible is a religious and historical text containing a wide range of narratives, including moral teachings, and is not an endorsement of these acts. The books which you are purporting be made available to children cannot claim the same thing.
Really, lot slept with his daughters and nothing happened to him . We can go on and on about the Bible
The two are NOT the same. I'll bet even in your mind they aren't considered the same.
Thats because what you contend exists in schools simply does not exist.
I mean come on, your contention is that over 1/2 of American families ( democrats) is to “ groom children THEIR OWN CHILDREN for sexual predators?

Cripes that’s what you are claiming I have done and want to do is groom MY OWN children to be victims of child predators!!!

Step back and take a breath and realize just how absurd you sound.
 
False dichotomy.
Not false . Since suicide in people with gender dysphoria is high
While dissatisfaction with what you call “ mutilating bodies etc, is low.

You can’t predict the future. So you can’t claim a causal factor in suicides when not being subjected to child abuse.
Then you can’t claim that children with gender dysphoria won’t benefit from treatment.

That’s your logic.
 
Not false . Since suicide in people with gender dysphoria is high
While dissatisfaction with what you call “ mutilating bodies etc, is low.


Then you can’t claim that children with gender dysphoria won’t benefit from treatment.

That’s your logic.

No real logic will change his mind.
 
Not false .
Demonstrably false.
Since suicide in people with gender dysphoria is high
While dissatisfaction with what you call “ mutilating bodies etc, is low.


Then you can’t claim that children with gender dysphoria won’t benefit from treatment.

That’s your logic.
Nope. I’m pointing out not getting mutilating surgery or harmful unapproved hormone blockers isn’t a causal factor in suicide.

90% of GD cases among children resolved naturally by adulthood. So we won’t be allowing child abuse in the US any longer.
 
Many of those same parents who whine about "that story had two guys getting married rather than a guy and a girl getting married" are the same ones who claim creationism should be taught as science and believe the story of Noah, which violates math and science.
You play the same game as the other leftists here in the creation of your straw man.

Yes, there are a few outliers who do object to what you mentioned, but what the overwhelming majority are ACTUALLY objecting to is graphic sexual content.
 
I can tell that you really don't have any expertise in any research-oriented field.
Of course I do
Yes, it's true. The studies that do exist, like the one you posted, are of very low quality.
But you said that don’t exist . You forgot that didn’t you.
Any trained researcher can tell you that a sample of 15 people from 1970-1995 or whatever that study you posted evaluated is a very terrible design.
No any researcher can tell you that the number of people who transition is exceedingly small. And then getting a group that literally faces possible death if exposed to talk to a researcher about their experiences is very difficult. They started with 97 people and only 15 agreed .
But here is the thing, inpresnted several scientific studies. What did you present that supports your opinion? Nothing.
I can't spend the time necessary to give you a doctoral degree in advanced statistics and research methodology.
Actually I have one.
But what you posted did not meet the criteria for a wide range of variables that are used to define sound research, including an extremely low sample size, no comparison/control groups, very low face validity, very low reliability across multiple types of reliability, and the fact that we're talking about child transitions, not adult transitions.
All concerns yes. But it STILL CONSTITUTES EVIDENCE.
whereas what you have is “ feelings”
And here is the thing. I cited a systematic review of over a large number of studies that though many probably had low sample sizes ( because trans people are a tiny portion of the community and are very reluctant to expose themselves to scrutiny)
And perhaps intervening variables such as mental health disorders.
The systematic review found that the studies largely found the same thing. That treatment was beneficial.

The studies you keep citing are about people who have transitioned in adulthood, well after their pubertal effects have taken full form.
Exactly. Did you not want “ long term studies”?
Come now silly. You wanted to see what the ramifications of treatment was later in life.
Now you say “but but they studied adults after they transitioned” Come now.
In these studies some of the trans people started treatment as adolescents.
Children have a number of different experiential variables than adults, which means you cannot reliably generalize results from adult studies to pediatric impact of gender-affirming care.
See above. You ask for long term studies to see if people have complications later . Then state that that we shouldn’t look at long term studies!!!
And of course I presented two studies that used adolescents . Both comparing adolescents who received treatment and those who did not and their outcomes . Which were little regret , few complications and less suicide ideation.

Research is complicated for people who aren't educated in it, but for those of us who are, we can easily spot low-quality studies.
That’s nice . But here is the thing. You do realize your complete disconnect from reality here.? Right?
So we have a number of studies that show the efficacy of treatment. That efficacy is in reducing suicide in particular. A HUGE BENEFIT and seemingly low risk.
Now you complain but low sample size because of course trans people are very very rare . About . 5% of the population.
You complain about confounding variables and say these studies are low quality. And to a degree you have a point . Studying VERY RARE treatments on rare medical conditions is a very difficult endeavor as a researcher.

However what’s YOUR ARGUMENT ?
“ because there are a number of studies that almost all show efficacy of treatment but I think they are low quality I will still believe MY OPINION that’s based on NOTHING BUT FEELINGS!”



Those of you who don't possess research expertise
See above. Imagine what would happen to healthcare if we simply refused to treat patients with very rare diseases and conditions where the science suffered from low sample sizes but the science showed potentially life saving benefits of treatment ?

And why did we refuse? Not based on the best available evidence but based on “ feelings”.

Thats the piece you don’t get. You prefer we treat based on your feelings RATHER than based on the best available evidence.

See the problem with that?
 
Demonstrably false.

Nope. I’m pointing out not getting mutilating surgery or harmful unapproved hormone blockers isn’t a causal factor in suicide.

90% of GD cases among children resolved naturally by adulthood. So we won’t be allowing child abuse in the US any longer.
Sorry but since you can’t predict the future you can’t know that treatment won’t work .
Have a nice day.
 
Indeed.
Let us not forget the types of books these militant activists want to force grade school libraries to have:

Then take a good long look at the distorted, contorted, hell outright lies, and inflaming rhetoric under which posters here want to force the included of such books in grade school libraries.

You can never trust or take at face value what the left says. Never.
Militant? :LOL::LOL::LOL:

What are they doing? Throwing a kegger at the Capitol?
 
You play the same game as the other leftists here in the creation of your straw man.

Yes, there are a few outliers who do object to what you mentioned, but what the overwhelming majority are ACTUALLY objecting to is graphic sexual content.

Which has nothing to do with this story, btw.
 
Militant? :LOL::LOL::LOL:

What are they doing? Throwing a kegger at the Capitol?
Why do you want little boys being taught how to give a blow job or how to hook up with adult men for sex?

You go out of your way to mock and insult those who don't,that's for sure.
 
Why do you make up lies?


Why is your mind in the gutter?

Militancy. Look it up. Come back when you have something intelligent to add.
I mentioned the sorts of things in the books that the militants are pushing.

They are not lies. I would be kicked off this forum immediately if I posted one particular illustration from the book Gender Queer.
 
I mentioned the sorts of things in the books that the militants are pushing.

They are not lies. I would be kicked off this forum immediately if I posted one particular illustration from the book Gender Queer.
Are you lost? My post was in response to another poster's characterization of gay people as militant. Militant. Look it up.

I have no idea why you quoted me and wrote irrelevant nonsense. If you can't come back with an intelligent post, don't bother, thanks.
 
Are you lost? My post was in response to another poster's characterization of gay people as militant. Militant. Look it up.

I have no idea why you quoted me and wrote irrelevant nonsense. If you can't come back with an intelligent post, don't bother, thanks.
Now YOU are lying. He did no such thing.

His use of the term was in reference to those who push for sexually explicit books being placed in schools.

All you are interested in is mocking people.
 
Can you tell me a single LGBTQ book that you'd define as "bad" or at least "not good?"

I have no problem with acknowledging the existence of LGBT people, which is why I said this in the post you responded to:


The problem isn't with discussing their existence--the problem is defining what is versus is not appropriate content for a school setting. Content curation in children's libraries =/= banning books.
I made a quick change to more accurately describe your conclusion...

'Content curation in children's libraries WHEN DONE TO TARGET THE LIFE EXPERIENCES OF A SPECIFIC POPULATION = banning books.'
 
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