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Supreme Court allows Biden administration to remove razor wire on US-Mexico border in 5-4 vote

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But...but...but!!!

States, you dont **** with the feds. This is the feds turf.





Supreme Court allows Biden administration to remove razor wire on US-Mexico border in 5-4 vote​



The Supreme Court is allowing US Border Patrol agents to remove razor wire deployed by Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott’s security initiative at the US-Mexico border while the state’s legal challenge to the practice plays out.

The vote was 5-4.

The justices’ order is a major victory for President Joe Biden in his ongoing dispute with Abbott over border policy, which had become especially fraught in recent days after three migrants drowned in a section of the Rio Grande that state officials have blocked agents’ access to, prompting the administration to further press for the high court’s intervention.


A federal appeals court last month ordered the Border Patrol agents to stop removing razor wire along a small stretch of the Rio Grande while court proceedings continue, and the Justice Department asked the justices earlier this month to step in on an emergency basis to wipe away that order, which they did on Monday.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh said they would have denied the federal request.

Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, said that while the order is a victory for the Biden administration, the delay in issuing it raises future questions.

“Whatever one thinks of current immigration policy, it ought not to be that controversial that states cannot prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law – lest we set the stage for Democratic-led states to similarly attempt to frustrate the enforcement of federal policies by Republican presidents,” Vladeck said. “That four justices would still have left the lower-court injunction in place will be taken, rightly or wrongly, as a sign that some of those longstanding principles of constitutional federalism might be in a degree of flux.”

Lawyers for the Biden administration argued that the appeals court ruling “turns … on its head” the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, which states that federal laws take precedence over state laws.

“The result of Texas’s position would be that States across the country could invoke their laws to impede the federal government’s exercise of its authority,” Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar wrote in court papers.

“If that injunction is left in place,” Prelogar stressed, “it will impede Border Patrol agents from carrying out their responsibilities to enforce the immigration laws and guard against the risk of injury and death, matters for which the federal government, not Texas, is held politically accountable.”
 
But...but...but!!!

States, you dont **** with the feds. This is the feds turf.





Supreme Court allows Biden administration to remove razor wire on US-Mexico border in 5-4 vote​



The Supreme Court is allowing US Border Patrol agents to remove razor wire deployed by Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott’s security initiative at the US-Mexico border while the state’s legal challenge to the practice plays out.

The vote was 5-4.

The justices’ order is a major victory for President Joe Biden in his ongoing dispute with Abbott over border policy, which had become especially fraught in recent days after three migrants drowned in a section of the Rio Grande that state officials have blocked agents’ access to, prompting the administration to further press for the high court’s intervention.


A federal appeals court last month ordered the Border Patrol agents to stop removing razor wire along a small stretch of the Rio Grande while court proceedings continue, and the Justice Department asked the justices earlier this month to step in on an emergency basis to wipe away that order, which they did on Monday.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh said they would have denied the federal request.

Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, said that while the order is a victory for the Biden administration, the delay in issuing it raises future questions.

“Whatever one thinks of current immigration policy, it ought not to be that controversial that states cannot prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law – lest we set the stage for Democratic-led states to similarly attempt to frustrate the enforcement of federal policies by Republican presidents,” Vladeck said. “That four justices would still have left the lower-court injunction in place will be taken, rightly or wrongly, as a sign that some of those longstanding principles of constitutional federalism might be in a degree of flux.”

Lawyers for the Biden administration argued that the appeals court ruling “turns … on its head” the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, which states that federal laws take precedence over state laws.

“The result of Texas’s position would be that States across the country could invoke their laws to impede the federal government’s exercise of its authority,” Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar wrote in court papers.

“If that injunction is left in place,” Prelogar stressed, “it will impede Border Patrol agents from carrying out their responsibilities to enforce the immigration laws and guard against the risk of injury and death, matters for which the federal government, not Texas, is held politically accountable.”
Yeah, but it's just an injunction. God only knows what Coney Barrett and Roberts will do when it comes to the actual decision.

What I find disturbing is the fact that FOUR Justices want to let the state of Texas prevail over Federal authority.
 
All hail Joe Biden, the savior and champion of illegal aliens over Americans. He wins again!

America and Blue cities lose.

I for one want to congratulate the Illegal Immigrant president. See you at the polls come November.
 
All hail Joe Biden, the savior and champion of illegal aliens over Americans. He wins again!

America and Blue cities lose.

I for one want to congratulate the Illegal Immigrant president. See you at the polls come November.

You are welcome for the TWELVE BILLION pissed away by Abbott..
 
4 justices hate the Supremacy Clause, eh? If I had to guess, they said something along the lines that the federal government did not occupy the field so TX was free to act. Which is stupid. The Feds did occupy the field. We just didn't build a Great Wall of Derp.

These people are drowning trying to get here. That's because they're legit fleeing death and misery. Walls and razor wire isn't keeping anyone out. It's just further filling our overloaded hospitals so that asshole bigots can feel that they're being "tough on illegals" while insuring the flow keeps right on coming, so they have something to continue to be assholes about.
 
You are welcome for the TWELVE BILLION pissed away by Abbott..
Biden pissed that sunk cost down the drain.

The wire was up. it was working. And then the Illegal Immigrant loving President came along and said, "Take that down at once! We need to let them all pour in!"
 
What’s a “trad account?”
 
Biden pissed that sunk cost down the drain.

The wire was up. it was working. And then the Illegal Immigrant loving President came along and said, "Take that down at once! We need to let them all pour in!"
Turn your t-stat down tonight, help a grid out?
 

My ancestors were immigrants. I won't be participating in a boycott of food, but here you go if you want to.
 
But...but...but!!!

States, you dont **** with the feds. This is the feds turf.





Supreme Court allows Biden administration to remove razor wire on US-Mexico border in 5-4 vote​



The Supreme Court is allowing US Border Patrol agents to remove razor wire deployed by Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott’s security initiative at the US-Mexico border while the state’s legal challenge to the practice plays out.

The vote was 5-4.

The justices’ order is a major victory for President Joe Biden in his ongoing dispute with Abbott over border policy, which had become especially fraught in recent days after three migrants drowned in a section of the Rio Grande that state officials have blocked agents’ access to, prompting the administration to further press for the high court’s intervention.


A federal appeals court last month ordered the Border Patrol agents to stop removing razor wire along a small stretch of the Rio Grande while court proceedings continue, and the Justice Department asked the justices earlier this month to step in on an emergency basis to wipe away that order, which they did on Monday.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh said they would have denied the federal request.

Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, said that while the order is a victory for the Biden administration, the delay in issuing it raises future questions.

“Whatever one thinks of current immigration policy, it ought not to be that controversial that states cannot prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law – lest we set the stage for Democratic-led states to similarly attempt to frustrate the enforcement of federal policies by Republican presidents,” Vladeck said. “That four justices would still have left the lower-court injunction in place will be taken, rightly or wrongly, as a sign that some of those longstanding principles of constitutional federalism might be in a degree of flux.”

Lawyers for the Biden administration argued that the appeals court ruling “turns … on its head” the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, which states that federal laws take precedence over state laws.

“The result of Texas’s position would be that States across the country could invoke their laws to impede the federal government’s exercise of its authority,” Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar wrote in court papers.

“If that injunction is left in place,” Prelogar stressed, “it will impede Border Patrol agents from carrying out their responsibilities to enforce the immigration laws and guard against the risk of injury and death, matters for which the federal government, not Texas, is held politically accountable.”
Doesn't this ruling screw New York NY and Chicago Il ect., after all Texas was slowing down sending the illegals with the barbed wire and Texas Guard. Well now the illegals will pick back up again so those cities are about to get a lot more people, presuming Texas backs down of course. I think the sanctuary cities are kind of screwed here.
 
Let's get rid of the fed gov, right?
State rights!!!!amirite???

I never said that

but states have been ignoring Federal laws on pot for years

why can't Texas ignore Fed Laws and take border security into their own hands ?
 
Doesn't this ruling screw New York NY and Chicago Il ect., after all Texas was slowing down sending the illegals with the barbed wire and Texas Guard. Well now the illegals will pick back up again so those cities are about to get a lot more people, presuming Texas backs down of course. I think the sanctuary cities are kind of screwed here.

You act like this stupid stunt and the TWELVE BILLION dollars of taxpayer money Abbot has pissed away has had ANY impact... That's laughable...
 
why can't Texas ignore Fed Laws and take border security into their own hands ?
it's the FEDs responsibility. If you want that, amend the constitution to state that States are responsible for their own defence.

Now, come up with a scenario where an invasion from a foreign country (not the country of brown people) drop bombs on a state or attack coastlines.
see how idiotic that sounds?
 
The constitution is pretty clear about who is responsible for national borders and this should have been an obvious 9-0 ruling. I will need to find time to look up the basis for the 4 dissenters.
 
The justices’ order is a major victory for President Joe Biden in his ongoing dispute with Abbott over border policy, which had become especially fraught in recent days after three migrants drowned in a section of the Rio Grande that state officials have blocked agents’ access to, prompting the administration to further press for the high court’s intervention.
If the federal government had put the razor wire there would it have blocked border agents' access?

The constitution is pretty clear about who is responsible for national borders and this should have been an obvious 9-0 ruling. I will need to find time to look up the basis for the 4 dissenters.

Then you should be able to show us where it says that in the Constitution.
 
But...but...but!!!

States, you dont **** with the feds. This is the feds turf.





Supreme Court allows Biden administration to remove razor wire on US-Mexico border in 5-4 vote​



The Supreme Court is allowing US Border Patrol agents to remove razor wire deployed by Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott’s security initiative at the US-Mexico border while the state’s legal challenge to the practice plays out.

The vote was 5-4.

The justices’ order is a major victory for President Joe Biden in his ongoing dispute with Abbott over border policy, which had become especially fraught in recent days after three migrants drowned in a section of the Rio Grande that state officials have blocked agents’ access to, prompting the administration to further press for the high court’s intervention.


A federal appeals court last month ordered the Border Patrol agents to stop removing razor wire along a small stretch of the Rio Grande while court proceedings continue, and the Justice Department asked the justices earlier this month to step in on an emergency basis to wipe away that order, which they did on Monday.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh said they would have denied the federal request.

Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, said that while the order is a victory for the Biden administration, the delay in issuing it raises future questions.

“Whatever one thinks of current immigration policy, it ought not to be that controversial that states cannot prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law – lest we set the stage for Democratic-led states to similarly attempt to frustrate the enforcement of federal policies by Republican presidents,” Vladeck said. “That four justices would still have left the lower-court injunction in place will be taken, rightly or wrongly, as a sign that some of those longstanding principles of constitutional federalism might be in a degree of flux.”

Lawyers for the Biden administration argued that the appeals court ruling “turns … on its head” the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, which states that federal laws take precedence over state laws.

“The result of Texas’s position would be that States across the country could invoke their laws to impede the federal government’s exercise of its authority,” Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar wrote in court papers.

“If that injunction is left in place,” Prelogar stressed, “it will impede Border Patrol agents from carrying out their responsibilities to enforce the immigration laws and guard against the risk of injury and death, matters for which the federal government, not Texas, is held politically accountable.”
What is the foundation of the minority opinion?
 
it's the FEDs responsibility. If you want that, amend the constitution to state that States are responsible for their own defence.

Now, come up with a scenario where an invasion from a foreign country (not the country of brown people) drop bombs on a state or attack coastlines.
see how idiotic that sounds?

and they're failing horribly

Texas is stepping up - good for them
 
If the federal government had put the razor wire there would it have blocked border agents' access?



Then you should be able to show us where it says that in the Constitution.
Article 4 section 4
 
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