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Suppose You're Wrong - What Should Your Fate Be?

Valery said:
38:82 "(Iblis) said: “By Your glory, I shall mislead them all"
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38:83 "except those of Your servants, the chosen ones from amongst them.”"

38:84 "He (i.e. Allah) said: “This is the Truth and I only speak the Truth"

38:85 "I will certainly fill the Gehenna with you and with all those among them who follow you.”"

you should know that if the message of Islam has reached a person but he chooses to disbelieve in it, then there is no doubt that he is Kaafir and shall abide in Hell eternally. This applies whether he recognizes the truth but chooses to deny it or he turns away from it without trying to know it, and whether he was edified on the details of the teachings of Islam and recognized its beauty or was merely informed of the divine message of Islam revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, without being informed of the details of the teachings of Islam and its beauty.
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The fact that the Kaafirs shall abide in Hellfire eternally is stated in many verses in the Quran, including the following:

Allaah, The Exalted, says (what means):

- {Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong (or injustice) - never will Allaah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path. Except the path of Hell; they will abide therein forever. And that, for Allaah, is (always) easy.} [Quran 4:168-169]

- {Indeed, Allaah has cursed the disbelievers and prepared for them a Blaze. Abiding therein forever, they will not find a protector or a helper.} [Quran 33: 64-65]

- {Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.} [Quran 98:6]

Believing in the truthfulness of what is stated in these texts is a prerequisite of Eemaan (faith). Whoever believes in Allaah as his Lord and in Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, as the Messenger of Allaah must essentially believe in the truthfulness of whatever Allaah and His Messenger say, including the fact that the disbelievers shall abide in Hellfire eternally. This ruling applies to the disbelievers collectively in general terms.
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So much BS, so many threats. A religion that teaches violence against non-believers is something to cherish, right. The Quran dictates repeatedly that its followers must convert you to Islam or kill you if you refuse to convert.

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

Besides the violence, much of the rest of the Quran speaks not about religion but only about how one must submit ..it commands how one must live, dress, treat women and practice jihad.

When I consider the different religions of the world, I rank Islam lowest of them the all.
 
Muslim poster Valery, when asked, "If all conditions of Islamic jurisprudence are satisfied, then you would support the execution of anyone deemed to have "insulted Islam". Correct?", answered, "Yes absolutely".
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Speaking about Islam can be very dangerous.

French authorities detained nine people Saturday in connection with the gruesome beheading of a teacher including the teen’s grandfather, parents and 17-year-old brother.

Paty, the teacher, had recently shown his students caricatures of Muhammad precisely because of that legacy, as part of a lesson on free expression in the midst of the ongoing Charlie Hebdo trial.

What do you suppose drives people who believe in Islam to commit these kind of acts.

apnews.com

Suspect in teacher's beheading in France was Chechen teen

PARIS (AP) — A suspect shot dead by police after the beheading of a history teacher near Paris was an 18-year-old Chechen refugee unknown to intelligence services who posted a grisly claim of responsibility on social media minutes after the attack, officials said Saturday.
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gboisjo said:
Quran speaks not about religion but only about how one must submit ..it commands how one must live, dress, treat women and practice jihad.
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Which are all part of the religion.
 
Valery said:
Which are all part of the religion.
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Just out of curiosity, what are you doing on this forum? After all, verse 2:171 says, "Preaching to unbelievers is like talking to someone who cannot hear anything except yells and shouts. They are deaf, dumb, and blind; they have no understanding". So, according to your God, you're talking to dumb animals. Doesn't that means you're just wasting your time? Maybe you should just mooooooove along and admit this is a baaa-aaa-d idea.
 
stevecanuck said:
Just out of curiosity, what are you doing on this forum? After all, verse 2:171 says, "Preaching to unbelievers is like talking to someone who cannot hear anything except yells and shouts. They are deaf, dumb, and blind; they have no understanding". So, according to your God, you're talking to dumb animals. Doesn't that means you're just wasting your time? Maybe you should just mooooooove along and admit this is a baaa-aaa-d idea.
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That seems kinda dumb to me...what's the point of preaching to those who already believe? isn't that like preaching to the choir?
 
Elvira said:
That seems kinda dumb to me...what's the point of preaching to those who already believe? isn't that like preaching to the choir?
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It wasn't just preaching that which was previously stated. Mohamed wasn't finished inventing all the rules for Islam, so whenever he came up with another one, he had to gather the faithful to update them. If you follow the history of Islam, you'll see many of the rules were created on an as-needed basis.
 
Suppose you’re wrong—-what should your fate be ? A pretty large false assumption with this question.......I am wrong but I get to decide my punishment ? Sign me up.......:)
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There should be absolutely no consequence whatsoever. There are literally hundreds of religions to choose from and no religion can be proven to be any more right than any other religion. What sense does it make to punish someone, especially for eternity, for making a purely subjective, arbitrary decision that is usually decided by a person's parents and surrounding culture?

The fire and brimstone type Christians are some of the most sadistic and evil people you'll ever encounter. They celebrate the fact that their religious enemies, along with many of their family and friends, will be tortured for eternity while they have a blast. What about that mercy thing? How could you possibly enjoy heaven when your family and friends are being tortured and the guy you're worshipping could easily stop it but just doesn't?
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Religion is a choice, you are free to choose what you believe. If you choose incorrectly then you have consequences like in life.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Religion is a choice, you are free to choose what you believe. If you choose incorrectly then you have consequences like in life.
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Except we're not armed with enough information to make a logical choice. You're a Christian because you were born in a Christian society likely to Christian parents. You could just as easily be a Muslim making the same dumbass argument.
 
Integrityrespec said:
If you choose incorrectly then you have consequences
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Please tell us:

What's the "correct choice"?
What exactly are the consequences for choosing incorrectly, and more importantly, how exactly do you know these consequences are real?
 
Metanoia said:
Suppose you’re wrong—-what should your fate be ? A pretty large false assumption with this question.......I am wrong but I get to decide my punishment ? Sign me up.......:)
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Deflection noted.
 
Dragonfly said:
Please tell us:

What's the "correct choice"?
What exactly are the consequences for choosing incorrectly, and more importantly, how exactly do you know these consequences are real?
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The "correct choice" is Jesus Christ but of course you knew that already. The evidence of his life is in the Bible and you also knew that already. Additional evidence is found in the writings of both jewish and roman historians. Being a Christian is a choice and a belief and decisions we make are because of free will. People ask why God allows certain things to happen, but the answer is in free will. Without it you couldn't choose to believe and making the choice to believe is at the heart of christianity. As for other evidence of Christ, here's a short article.
www.history.com

The Bible Says Jesus Was Real. What Other Proof Exists? | HISTORY

Some argue that Jesus wasn't an actual man, but within a few decades of his lifetime, he was mentioned by Jewish and ...
www.history.com www.history.com
 
Integrityrespec said:
The "correct choice" is Jesus Christ but of course you knew that already. The evidence of his life is in the Bible and you also knew that already. Additional evidence is found in the writings of both jewish and roman historians. Being a Christian is a choice and a belief and decisions we make are because of free will. People ask why God allows certain things to happen, but the answer is in free will. Without it you couldn't choose to believe and making the choice to believe is at the heart of christianity. As for other evidence of Christ, here's a short article.
www.history.com

The Bible Says Jesus Was Real. What Other Proof Exists? | HISTORY

Some argue that Jesus wasn't an actual man, but within a few decades of his lifetime, he was mentioned by Jewish and ...
www.history.com www.history.com
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That , of course, it the exact wrong choice.
 
gboisjo said:
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
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2:190 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors."

2:191 "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."
gboisjo said:
Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"
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9:5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

9:6 "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge."
 
Valery said:
2:190 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors."

2:191 "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

9:5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

9:6 "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge."
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Hilarious garbage. How much pagan fighting have you done?
 
Integrityrespec said:
The "correct choice" is Jesus Christ but of course you knew that already.
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Had you been born in Pakistan, in a family with centuries of Islam as their faith, don't you think you'd say the correct choice was Mohammed and Islam?

Had you been born in India, in a family with centuries of Hinduism as their faith, don't you think you'd say the correct choice was Brahma and Hinduism?
 
Valery said:
2:190 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors."

2:191 "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

9:5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
zyzygy said:
Hilarious garbage. How much pagan fighting have you done?
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Well, that lowlife Muslim immigrant living off the French, he sure straightened out that non-believing, annoying, critical teacher. He took his head.

Valery, hasn't done any pagan fighting as far as I know, but there are plenty who have. Its a violent, garbage religion.
 
Valery said:
It would be difficult, not having any idea what article you're trying to lead me to.
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Actually, for a man, the Islamic whorehouse in the sky might be fun.
 
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