Support Israel or else attitude?

[mpg]

I wouldnt say religions the issue here its more race/nationality. Even though palestine was never a fully independant state the palestinians still had there own culture and nationality.

Wrong. They never had their own ethnic group. There is no Palestinian language or Palestinian food. The Romans named that area after some Greek settlers who lived there.

 

[Volker]

Wrong. They never had their own ethnic group. There is no Palestinian language or Palestinian food.

How many Arabian countries have an own ethnic groups, language or food?
If your answer is zero, you might realize, how irrelevant this argument is.

The Romans named that area after some Greek settlers who lived there.

Did they called it Greekistine or New Greece?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Wrong. They never had their own ethnic group. There is no Palestinian language or Palestinian food. The Romans named that area after some Greek settlers who lived there.

The Romans named the area after the Philistines as psychological warfare against the Jews. Palestine is the Romans bastardized version of Philistine.

 

[Volker]

The Romans named the area after the Philistines as psychological warfare against the Jews. Palestine is the Romans bastardized version of Philistine.

Palestine is the Greek version of the Assyrian word for the area of Gaza.
It was used long before, maybe at the time, Rome was founded.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Palestine is the Greek version of the Assyrian word for the area of Gaza.
It was used long before, maybe at the time, Rome was founded.

You are partially correct, Volker. The word is originally derived from Greek meaning 'the land of the Philistines', and encompassed the Gaza area. The larger area (including Judea, Sumaria, and parts of today's Lebanon and Syria) was reconquered by the Romans after the Bar Kohkba rebellion and all of it was renamed Palestine as the psychological warfare.

 

[Volker]

You are partially correct, Volker. The word is originally derived from Greek meaning 'the land of the Philistines', and encompassed the Gaza area. The larger area (including Judea, Sumaria, and parts of today's Lebanon and Syria) was reconquered by the Romans after the Bar Kohkba rebellion and all of it was renamed Palestine as the psychological warfare.

Yes, this was an episode in history. The area was called this way long before and it was called this way later.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Yes, this was an episode in history. The area was called this way long before and it was called this way later.

Yup. Thanks for 'enlightening' me to some added information. :mrgreen:

 

[Volker]

Yup. Thanks for 'enlightening' me to some added information. :mrgreen:

You are correct about the motivation of the Romans.

 

[teacher]

What, you asking if I have that attitude? Not sure. maybe i should ask my bud, Volker.

Read my sig. Put an anti-semite on ignore.

 

[Volker]

What, you asking if I have that attitude? Not sure. maybe i should ask my bud, Volker.

I'm not your bud and I don't know about your attitudes.

 

[Vader]

What, you asking if I have that attitude? Not sure. maybe i should ask my bud, Volker.

Read my sig. Put an anti-semite on ignore.

I have to agree with the warden here! Volker tends to be an anal retentive non-muslim hater.

Ignoring Volker is probably best for the forum.

:lol:

 

[Volker]

Ignoring Volker is probably best for the forum.

:lol:

I have no problem with you ignoring me.

 

[Vader]

You are correct about the motivation of the Romans.

They way I understand it a jew-hating roman general replaced judea on the maps of that era with Palestine.

 

[Vader]

I have no problem with you ignoring me.

I am glad to hear that. You're purely an anti-freedom German muslim do-nothingthingist.

This is typical of the new Germany. It's sad and it sets all of Europe back but it's true. :/

 

[Volker]

I am glad to hear that. You're purely an anti-freedom German muslim do-nothingthingist.

What makes you think this way?

This is typical of the new Germany. It's sad and it sets all of Europe back but it's true. :/

I am typical of the new Germany? Let's hope so.

 

[Volker]

They way I understand it a jew-hating roman general replaced judea on the maps of that era with Palestine.

Wasn't it emperor Hadrian?

 

[Vader]

What makes you think this way?

It seems to me that in ever debate you seem to take a very pro-muslim approach to forming your aguments against the concensus. Most of us blame islam for being a tool a brainwashing used to turn children into mass murderers; whereas, you tend yo sympathize with the muslims.

Perhaps I am reading to much into this but this is the way I see it.

:doh

 

[Vader]

Wasn't it emperor Hadrian?

Good question! I will look into this further and let you know what I find.

 

[Chris]

The Palestinian Arabs have as much a right to live and worship in Israel/Palestine as any Jew does. Don't give me this garbage about them having no legit argument against Israel because Judaism existed there before Islam. Prior to the rise of Zionism in the late 1800's Arabs had been the indigenous people of what is now Israel for centuries. Besides what difference does it make who was there first anyway? Does anyone honesty think it is a realistic expectation for either side to just accept the other as more "worthy" and go off and die somewhere?

 

[Rammstein]

No, I disagree with the or else attitude.

Yes. Israel, it's right to exist and it's security must be protected with unwaivering determination but we must not loose sight of the fact that Israel too plays a negative part in the continuation of the conflict with their numerous human rights abuses.

Both parties in the conflict have to start working together and so far both have been playing lip-service only. The palestinians to the EU and the Israeli's to the US and that just isn't going to solve anything.

Both sides have to be put under pressure to get to a solution.

 

[Captain America]

No, I disagree with the or else attitude.

Yes. Israel, it's right to exist and it's security must be protected with unwaivering determination but we must not loose sight of the fact that Israel too plays a negative part in the continuation of the conflict with their numerous human rights abuses.

Both parties in the conflict have to start working together and so far both have been playing lip-service only. The palestinians to the EU and the Israeli's to the US and that just isn't going to solve anything.

Both sides have to be put under pressure to get to a solution.

There is absolutely NOTHING Isreal can do to appease Palestine short of mass suicide. That option is understandably off the table. And the beat goes on.

 

[Vader]

No, I disagree with the or else attitude.

Yes. Israel, it's right to exist and it's security must be protected with unwaivering determination but we must not loose sight of the fact that Israel too plays a negative part in the continuation of the conflict with their numerous human rights abuses.

Both parties in the conflict have to start working together and so far both have been playing lip-service only. The palestinians to the EU and the Israeli's to the US and that just isn't going to solve anything.

Both sides have to be put under pressure to get to a solution.

You seem to forget that the Palestinians have as many, if not more, issues with human rights abuses then the Israelies do. You should also remember that Israel doesn't usually pick fights with the Palestinians. The Palestinians are responsible for the numberous conflicts.

For what it's worth, I agree that both sides need to come to an agreement. For that to work, the Palestinians need to stop electing terrorist groups to govern them, and they need to stop using primary education centers as brainwashing centers.

 

[Rammstein]

There is absolutely NOTHING Isreal can do to appease Palestine short of mass suicide. That option is understandably off the table. And the beat goes on.

Well Israel could stop committing numerous human rights violations like putting civilian lives in jeopardy by using imprecise, heavy weaponry in operations against terrorist infrastructure conducted in civilian areas.


Or offcourse stop destroying numerous orchards, olive and date groves, and irrigation systems on Palestinian-controlled agricultural land.

And there are many more things Israel can do to stop the cycle of violence. But that in turn does not absolve the pals from doing their bit for peace (like shutting down terrorist cells who kill israeli civilians).

 

[Rammstein]

You seem to forget that the Palestinians have as many, if not more, issues with human rights abuses then the Israelies do. You should also remember that Israel doesn't usually pick fights with the Palestinians. The Palestinians are responsible for the numberous conflicts.

For what it's worth, I agree that both sides need to come to an agreement. For that to work, the Palestinians need to stop electing terrorist groups to govern them, and they need to stop using primary education centers as brainwashing centers.

there was very little to choose from for the palestinians.

The choice was between a "non-corrupt, partly terrorist organisation that helps a lot of people with their humanitarian policies AKA Hamas" and a "very corrupt, partly terrorist organisation that only helps itself feast on the european and US subsidies while the population lives in abject poverty AKA Fatah".

A lot of palestinians will have made the least bad choice due to lack of real alternatives to the 2 political parties mentioned above.

 

[BudLizard101]

Well Israel could stop committing numerous human rights violations like putting civilian lives in jeopardy by using imprecise, heavy weaponry in operations against terrorist infrastructure conducted in civilian areas.


Or offcourse stop destroying numerous orchards, olive and date groves, and irrigation systems on Palestinian-controlled agricultural land.

And there are many more things Israel can do to stop the cycle of violence. But that in turn does not absolve the pals from doing their bit for peace (like shutting down terrorist cells who kill israeli civilians).

'Palestinians'(mainly the terrorists.. but regular 'civilians' that let that happen are also included) could stop committing numerous human rights violations like putting civilian lives in jeopardy by using civillian infrastructure to house their weapons and members.

They also probably shouldn't have destroyed most everything Israel left them when they left Gaza, like all the green houses which they could have used to feed themselves, but it doesn't hurt Jews, so why would they do that, right?