Suleimani Dead by orders from Trump. Retaliation to come

[Glitch]

If Imperial Japan hadn't poked the bear at Pearl Harbor, it's possible that the US would not have entered the war until too late.

Define "too late." The US would have allowed Japan to take Malaysia, Indonesia. At the time we were allies with the Republic of China, and as a result of the Japanese invasion cut off their supply to US steel and oil. The line in the sand for the US, however, would have been the Philippines. The US had acquired the Philippines in 1900 after winning in the Spanish/American War. We spent the next 40 years fighting a guerilla war in the Philippines. So a Japanese invasion would have most likely prompted the US getting involved. But probably not until that happened. The US was content to allow Japan to invade China with only imposing an embargo.

Would Stalin and Churchill have been able to win the war in Europe without US help? Good question, and it's a matter of speculation at this point.

Anyway, yes, we kicked Imperial Japan's butt, then went home and helped to rebuild a war torn world. It was one of America's best moments.

Stalin would have eventually defeated Germany, but not Churchill. WW II came down to a war of production. Only those nations capable of out producing the other would win. When the Soviets moved all of their factories out of reach of the German bombers, it assured their eventual victory. Churchill was the leader of a nation that had already been defeated, his job was to put a brave face on total failure.

It was in the best interests of the US to have an economically functioning Europe. Unfortunately, most of those nations ended up screwing us over. Particularly France, which considering their history should have been expected.

 

[Manc Skipper]

It looks like Trump has already turned the tables on you. Your precious Obama legacy has been utterly destroyed. You'll have to find another coward to be President now. Which should not be a problem for you considering that all Democrats are natural born cowards.

Obama kept Iran and Russia under control without a shot fired. Trump has indeed turned the tables on that. Both are now roaming the world unhindered. He gave Iran the red light to go for nukes, now he's given them an excuse to use them. As for Putin, he's given him all he can that Congress has been unable to block. Yay the Manchurian Trump!

 

[Higgins86]

Isn't highly unusual for the President not to have addressed the nation by now?

 

[Drowning Man]

Isn't highly unusual for the President not to have addressed the nation by now?

Does Twitter count?

 

[jonny5]

Tell that to Bush43 who used Public Law 107-40 to invade Afghanistan. Tell that to Obama who used Public Law 107-40 to send US troops into the Sudan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria. Public Law 107-40 is the law that authorizes the President - all Presidents while the law is in effect - to wage war against any "nations, organizations, or persons" they deem to be a threat. I never said it was a good law, but while it is effect the President has carte blanche approval from Congress to wage war on anyone or any country he wants. All he needs to do is deem them to be a future threat to the US.

No according to the law he needs to deem them responsible for 911 or have helped those responsible in order to prevent future acts. You're ignoring 90% of the law.

 

[TomFitz]

It is an illegal law, but one that still remains in effect. According to the US Constitution Congress is the only government body that has the authority to declare wars. They do not have the authority to transfer that power to the President in the Executive Branch, which they have effectively done in Public Law 107-40. That law effectively gives the President the congressional approval he requires to wage war on anyone or any nation he pleases. All he has to do is deem them a threat to the US. Which is why Public Law 107-40 violates the US Constitution. The US Constitution does not give Congress the authority to delegate their powers to any other branch of government.

This is an interesting argument.

As a Trumpster, it’s no surprise that you don’t see the obvious irony!

After all, Trumpsters like you have been defending Trump’s attempts to usurp power from Congress for a year now.

Indeed, you’re openly cheering for him to get away with it.

 

[Glitch]

Is that the same Obama who "used Public Law 107-40 to send US troops into the Sudan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria?"

It is indeed, and the very same cowardly Obama that tried to appease our enemy, Iran, and surrender (because that is what cowards do) to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

 

[Glitch]

But, it hasn't been ruled unconstitutional.

No President has ever dared evoke the War Powers Act of 1973 either. The first one that does will be impeached, and they know it. It is an illegal law, one of many.

 

[Luckyone]

Yeah, that's it....:lamo

Yes it is and you inability to dispute it with anything other than a LOL smiley suggests that you reluctantly agree but don't want to make it public.

That is alright. I don't need your public agreement. I know I am right and acceptance of it by others is not necessary.

:2wave:

 

[Glitch]

Obama kept Iran and Russia under control without a shot fired.

Incorrect. Obama allowed Russia and Iran to kill Americans indiscriminately in Iraq without retaliation.

Trump has indeed turned the tables on that.

Good. Presidents should not be cowards, like Obama.

Both are now roaming the world unhindered. He gave Iran the red light to go for nukes, now he's given them an excuse to use them. As for Putin, he's given him all he can that Congress has been unable to block. Yay the Manchurian Trump!

I've got news for you, Iran has had nukes since Clinton was President. They acquired the warheads from Pakistan and the rockets with the range to reach Berlin from Tehran from North Korea. Putin was busy selling missiles and other weapons to Iran who used them against Americans in Iraq while your coward President Obama did nothing.

 

[TomFitz]

It looks like Trump has already turned the tables on you. Your precious Obama legacy has been utterly destroyed. You'll have to find another coward to be President now. Which should not be a problem for you considering that all Democrats are natural born cowards.

That is true. The Obama legacy is broken and flat earth talk radio types are cheering.

Never mind that Iran restarted its nuclear program, and will almost certainly acccelerate it now. The path to an Iranian bomb is now clear, thanks entirely to Donald Trump.

The Western Alliance is also broken. There will be no “Coalition of the Willing” this time. (Even that one was largely political fiction so the Bush people could pretend they had more international support than they did). TRump has insulted, belittled and betrayed our NATO allies, Australia, South Korea, and Japan repeatedly, and often in the most petty and insulting manner.

Iraq is a pariah nation.

The United States is not. At least, not yet.

One thing is for sure, though.

After three years of Trump bullying, blustering, backing down, ass kissing, plotting, and generally earning a reputation for being incompetent, corrupt, and untrustworthy, we’re on our own.

 

[independentusa]

The president has the authority to attack high value targets

Only if he has proof of imminent danger can he do something like this which is the same as declaring war. We know like Bush, Trump needs a war to insure he gets a sceond term and he wants to have the topic changed from the emails that prove he knew he was breaking the law in Urkraine.

 

[Glitch]

This is an interesting argument.

As a Trumpster, it’s no surprise that you don’t see the obvious irony!

After all, Trumpsters like you have been defending Trump’s attempts to usurp power from Congress for a year now.

Indeed, you’re openly cheering for him to get away with it.

I'm not a "Trumpster." I voted for Sen. Cruz in 2016, not Trump. Trump is one of your ilk, a registered Democrat from 2008 until 2012. Then he became a registered Republican in 2012.

Iran has always been an enemy of the US since seizing our embassy in 1979. The only thing that changed was when Obama attempted to appease Iran because he is a natural born coward, like all Democrats. Also, the last time I checked Suleimani was still dead, which means that Trump has gotten away with it.

 

[independentusa]

Incorrect. Obama allowed Russia and Iran to kill Americans indiscriminately in Iraq without retaliation.

Good. Presidents should not be cowards, like Obama.


I've got news for you, Iran has had nukes since Clinton was President. They acquired the warheads from Pakistan and the rockets with the range to reach Berlin from Tehran from North Korea. Putin was busy selling missiles and other weapons to Iran who used them against Americans in Iraq while your coward President Obama did nothing.

I would really like to see proof of what you have written and not some far out right wing rag. I do not believe a word of that crap.

 

[independentusa]

I'm not a "Trumpster." I voted for Sen. Cruz in 2016, not Trump. Trump is one of your ilk, a registered Democrat from 2008 until 2012. Then he became a registered Republican in 2012.

Iran has always been an enemy of the US since seizing our embassy in 1979. The only thing that changed was when Obama attempted to appease Iran because he is a natural born coward, like all Democrats. Also, the last time I checked Suleimani was still dead, which means that Trump has gotten away with it.

Yes, Trump will be safe with all of the Secret Service, which we pay for, guarding him. But what about all the rest of us. Iran will make us pay, not by conventional means, but by small attacks all over the world including in our country. And as we have seen oveer and over again, just bombing them will do little good. We have actually cemented all of the groups in Iran into a solid block against our country. And i find it interesting that you are so happy to fight wars. the last couple started by the GOP leaders have gone so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. It seeems the GOP is always willing to send other people's children to fight wars they start. Yes, so brave. Just so you know i volunteered in 1969 and I come from a military family.

 

[Glitch]

Never mind that Iran restarted its nuclear program, and will almost certainly acccelerate it now.

When did we ever have proof that they stopped?

The path to an Iranian bomb is now clear, thanks entirely to Donald Trump.

Iran has had nukes since Clinton was President. They acquired the warheads from Pakistan (who never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) and the rockets from North Korea.

The Western Alliance is also broken. There will be no “Coalition of the Willing” this time. (Even that one was largely political fiction so the Bush people could pretend they had more international support than they did). TRump has insulted, belittled and betrayed our NATO allies, Australia, South Korea, and Japan repeatedly, and often in the most petty and insulting manner.

There have been many coalitions. They serve a specific purpose and then cease to exist. If the US were to go to war with Iran, I'm quite certain that there would be many other nations supporting the US because it is in their best interests.

Iraq is a pariah nation.

The United States is not. At least, not yet.

One thing is for sure, though.

After three years of Trump bullying, blustering, backing down, ass kissing, plotting, and generally earning a reputation for being incompetent, corrupt, and untrustworthy, we’re on our own.

Are you describing Trump, Obama, or Clinton? You typed "Trump" but your description fits both Slick Willy and Obama perfectly. I guess the one thing Trump, Slick Willy, and Obama all have in common - besides being President - is that they were all Democrats.

 

[TomFitz]

I'm not a "Trumpster." I voted for Sen. Cruz in 2016, not Trump. Trump is one of your ilk, a registered Democrat from 2008 until 2012. Then he became a registered Republican in 2012.

Iran has always been an enemy of the US since seizing our embassy in 1979. The only thing that changed was when Obama attempted to appease Iran because he is a natural born coward, like all Democrats. Also, the last time I checked Suleimani was still dead, which means that Trump has gotten away with it.

I think if you ask an Iranian, you’ll discover that the trouble goes back to when the Americans first muscled into the British oil concessions in Persia. And when the British installed the Shah. Or perhaps when the British re installed the Shah. Iran had 27 years to seethe over that.

 

[TomFitz]

When did we ever have proof that they stopped?

Iran has had nukes since Clinton was President. They acquired the warheads from Pakistan (who never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) and the rockets from North Korea.

There have been many coalitions. They serve a specific purpose and then cease to exist. If the US were to go to war with Iran, I'm quite certain that there would be many other nations supporting the US because it is in their best interests.

Are you describing Trump, Obama, or Clinton? You typed "Trump" but your description fits both Slick Willy and Obama perfectly. I guess the one thing Trump, Slick Willy, and Obama all have in common - besides being President - is that they were all Democrats.

Now you’re just making up nonsense.

 

[RAMOSS]

Trump, on Obama: Angelo Carusone on Twitter: ""Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective. So the only way he figures that he's going to get reelected and is sure as you're sitting there is to start a war with Iran."… https://t.co/uoeb1ZFAt0"

Now we are seeing how this was projection on Trump's part.

And, of course, another reason for a war

Iran oil: New field with 53bn barrels found - Rouhani - BBC News

 

[ChezC3]

Yes it is and you inability to dispute it with anything other than a LOL smiley suggests that you reluctantly agree but don't want to make it public.

That is alright. I don't need your public agreement. I know I am right and acceptance of it by others is not necessary.

:2wave:

:lol:

You haven't said anything thus far that couldn't be found in a back issue of Psychology Today or a Joel Osteen telecast.


Sure, they say some things that I agree with, but that by no means is an indicator of my agreement with them.

So, while, I'm more than in agreement that humanity is something that should be overcome, you certainly haven't shown me how that applies to the conversation, nor have you demonstrated any semblance of an understanding on how to move forward. What's further, is you clearly don't understand what it means. This would be the root of my emoticon reactions. They're my playful way of smacking you aside, having been mildly amused but growing tired, you've introduced nothing interesting and I'm simply wishing to be done with you...

 

[Glitch]

Yes, Trump will be safe with all of the Secret Service, which we pay for, guarding him. But what about all the rest of us. Iran will make us pay, not by conventional means, but by small attacks all over the world including in our country. And as we have seen oveer and over again, just bombing them will do little good. We have actually cemented all of the groups in Iran into a solid block against our country. And i find it interesting that you are so happy to fight wars. the last couple started by the GOP leaders have gone so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. It seeems the GOP is always willing to send other people's children to fight wars they start. Yes, so brave. Just so you know i volunteered in 1969 and I come from a military family.

All the more reason to wipe out Iran's government now. I'm surprised we allowed this terrorist sponsoring nation survive this long. Obviously it has to do with the coward Presidents Democrats keep electing. I served in the Marine Corps from 1972 until 1980, and never met a Democrat who had served in the military who hadn't been drafted.

 

[Glitch]

I would really like to see proof of what you have written and not some far out right wing rag. I do not believe a word of that crap.

Iran Killed 608 American Troops in Iraq War, Pentagon Says in Revised Casualty Estimate

 

[Dayton3]

No President has ever dared evoke the War Powers Act of 1973 either. The first one that does will be impeached, and they know it. It is an illegal law, one of many.

It has been invoked many times. President Reagan made an agreement with Congress regarding it for the U.S. invasion of Grenada in 1983.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I'm not a "Trumpster." I voted for Sen. Cruz in 2016, not Trump. Trump is one of your ilk, a registered Democrat from 2008 until 2012. Then he became a registered Republican in 2012.

Iran has always been an enemy of the US since seizing our embassy in 1979. The only thing that changed was when Obama attempted to appease Iran because he is a natural born coward, like all Democrats. Also, the last time I checked Suleimani was still dead, which means that Trump has gotten away with it.

Funny... i think Iran’s act in 1979 was long overdue, Iran was paying us back for what we did in 1953 to their country and had continued to do up till 1979.

The United States helped stage a coup of the democratically elected government of prime minister Mossadegh.

Then the United States continues to provide backing and support to the shah of Iran, who was aligned with and carried out policies that aligned with our interests. However the Shah was not representing the interests of his own country men, by the end of his reign he was surpressing political opposition and dissent through the actions of Iran secret police. Soon the Iranian people had enough of the tyrant and overthrew the shah’s Regime and replaced it with the current government of Iran.

You think that Iran became our enemy in 1979 for no reason? Hardly. The Iranian people remember that we helped overthrow Mossadegh, a leader they voted for. They remember how our government supported and backed The Shah’s regime, a regime that many Iranians remember as being a tyrant.

Here is a radical idea: maybe the Iranian people did what they did in 1979 because they remembered how we constantly meddled with their countries interests, how we backed a tyrant just because he would fulfill our national interests, and how we supported a political coup in 1953 that overthrew the democratically elected prime minister, who the people of Iran voted for to represent their national interests, because that prime minister did something that conflicted with our interests.
Maybe the Iranian people remembered all of that, and decided to show us that Iran was sick and tired of being a puppet and that they wanted us to stop meddling in Iran’s affairs.

 

[Condor060]

Drawdown, you just won first prize for the most uninformed and ridiculous post ever. Every war has casualties and Trump just officially put us in a war. Suleimani was a hero to the Iranians and they are not going to sit back and do nothing. It is like if they killed Trump. Do you think we wouldn't retaliate?

I and you may not suffer personal injury but totday we are less secure than we were yesterday. Remember that Iran is a terrorist group and they will not fight head to head with us. They will target Americans around the world and kill them just like Bin Laden and Isis did.

This was an open act of war and Iran is the most warlike country in the world.

We don't take the cowardly approach Democrats would approve. We won't be sending Iran billions of dollars in the middle of the night. In case you aren't up on current events, they attacked our embassy killing Americans. They only respond to one thing and one thing only. If they want to go to war under Trump it will be over in about 45 days, not 4-5 years.

Instead of forecasting the sky is falling, how about supporting the US for standing up for ourselves.