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Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion[W:174]

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Right, his administration is still fighting in court to bring back pre-existing condition exclusions.

If so that would be because healthcare is a personal responsibility better handled in the state with neighbor helping neighbor, not a federal bureaucrat
 
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Only in your state, this isn't a federal taxpayer responsibility.

Of course it is. It is a federal law that mandates it
 
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Medicare for all

What is the proof that this would be either more efficient or that it would do a better job of rationing care? Over the years I have been told at volume by the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! so often "We are sure, there is no doubt about it, looking at this more would be a waste of time" only to find out latter that they were lying....not only was there no evidence for their claims, but worse their claims were wrong. We keep spending our time and our money wrong because of lies told by the leaders.

I am done with that.

SHOW ME PROOF
 
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What is the proof that this would be either more efficient or that it would do a better job of rationing care? Over the years I gave been told by the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! so often "We are sure, there is no doubt about it, looking at this more would be a waste of time" only to find out latter that they were lying....not only was there no evidence for their claims, but worse their claims were wrong. We keep spending out time and our money wrong because of lies told by the leaders.

I am done with that.

SHOW ME PROOF

None exists. Just like none exists for almost every new public policy ever created. Plenty of evidence though. But proof.....nope.


And not required
 
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None exists. Just like none exists for almost every new public policy ever created. Plenty of evidence though. But proof.....nope.


And not required

Ya, we shall keep going down the list in the quality of the case....the case that the very corrupt and low functioning federal government if given the power to decide compensation rates would be able to make our system better.....that they are good enough to get the job done.

The same people who spend $13 billion a copy on an aircraft carrier so untrustworthy that the Navy refuses to test it (The survivabilty trials) and it does not operate to specs...they are trying to both learn and improve this ship enough that it can be trusted in combat....all of this you will not hear them talking about because they suck.

Those people are going to save the day you say...
 
Ya, we shall keep going down the list in the quality of the case....the case that the very corrupt and low functioning federal government if given the power to decide compensation rates would be able to make our system better.....that they are good enough to get the job done.

The same people who spend $13 billion a copy on an aircraft carrier so untrustworthy that the Navy refuses to test it (The survivabilty trials) and it does not operate to specs...they are trying to both learn and improve this ship enough that it can be trusted in combat....all of this you will not hear them talking about because they suck.

Those people are going to save the day you say...

Or we could have what we have now.....the worst system of any modern first world country
 
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Most people are "happy" with their health insurance because they've never had to really use it. :shrug:

More likely because they do not realize that they are paying for it by getting a lower salary instead. The employer is happy to give out a fringe benefit that does not require matching the FICA taxes on its value - as would be the case if they simply increased the employee's salary by that same amount instead.
 
Or we could have what we have now.....the worst system of any modern first world country

It is bankrupting America, and just you wait till we Boomers start sucking on all that end of life care we hand out that everyone else is smart enough to not hand out, which more than a few call patient abuse....but the Boomers have always wanted it all havent we.

And we saw this coming long ago, and did nothing.

And notice if you will how Trump is here.

Bad work carries consequences.

QUALITY MATTERS!
 
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that continues to be your opinion but there is no real proof of that as the entire cost of healthcare is ignored and not posted. Too many hidden taxes that go towards the cost of healthcare that you want to ignore. better? don't think so or foreigners wouldn't come here for treatment

it isn't my opinion. Americans have paid a lot more for health care than any other first world countries. we will be ok with paying a lower price.
 
Re: Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion

Only in your state, this isn't a federal taxpayer responsibility.

sorry, that isn't how single payer works.
 
It is bankrupting America, and just you wait till we Boomers start sucking on all that end of life care we hand out that everyone else is smart enough to not hand out, which more than a few call patient abuse....but the Boomers have always wanted it all havent we.

And we saw this coming long ago, and did nothing.

And notice if you will how Trump is here.

Bad work carries consequences.

QUALITY MATTERS!
Yeah, but in about another the worst of Obama's fubars will be buried in the dustbin of history.
 
Yeah, but in about another the worst of Obama's fubars will be buried in the dustbin of history.

I dont know what you are talking about but I will right now give you the 911 on how this goes.......Obama expected to be called a great man by history, just as he was cheered in his time...cheered by all those morons we had back then, back before America got fixed.

No, He did what he almost always did, he misjudged..... OBAMA THE LIGHT WORKER fiddled and drove his narrow agendas ignoring anything that he did not want to acknowledge....as America Rotted hugely on his watch.

Obama fiddled as Rome Burned so to speak.

Obama was in the end a loser.

And a Liar.
 
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You also don't do reality. Single Payer in a country as large as the USA would fail, economically by any measure. Forcing Single Payer on everyone would be a disaster, but you still push it.

It wouldn't be forced it's called the public option emphasis on the word option, just as you have the option to send your children to private schools if you want.
 
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It wouldn't be forced it's called the public option emphasis on the word option, just as you have the option to send your children to private schools if you want.

No Oscar, EVERYONE would be enrolled, and taxed for it. Whether you wanted it or not. And even IF it was optional to sign into it, you'd still be taxed on it.
 
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Ya, we shall keep going down the list in the quality of the case....the case that the very corrupt and low functioning federal government if given the power to decide compensation rates would be able to make our system better.....that they are good enough to get the job done.

The same people who spend $13 billion a copy on an aircraft carrier so untrustworthy that the Navy refuses to test it (The survivabilty trials) and it does not operate to specs...they are trying to both learn and improve this ship enough that it can be trusted in combat....all of this you will not hear them talking about because they suck.

Those people are going to save the day you say...



“SHOW ME PROOF”

The proof would be those similar health systems in other developed countries that have considerably lower costs and a much lower mortality rate:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...fs/2015/oct/us-health-care-global-perspective


“Ya, we shall keep going down the list in the quality of the case....the case that the very corrupt and low functioning federal government if given the power to decide compensation rates would be able to make our system better.....that they are good enough to get the job done.”

Medicare costs are lower than private insurers because they pay doctors less and have lower administrative costs.

https://money.cnn.com/2014/04/21/news/economy/medicare-doctors/index.html
 
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Medicare costs are lower than private insurers because they pay doctors less and have lower administrative costs.
Medicare? Derp says its "Medicaid", to get your labels right or leave.
 
Re: Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion

The analysis, from the libertarian-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University, focuses on legislation introduced by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and estimates that his proposal to create a national health insurance system would lead to a $32.6 trillion increase in federal spending over a 10-year period.

The eye-popping figure is tied in large part to the fact that under Medicare for all, the federal government is designed to take on almost all health spending. Which explains why federal spending would go up significantly.

Proponents of Medicare for all, also known as a single-payer system, are quick to note the study also estimates national expenditures on health care would decrease by about $2 trillion by 2031 if the Sanders bill were signed into law.

That means overall health-care spending would decline, but the government’s share of that figure would go up, something small-government Republicans find unsettling.

“People just have to decide what they’re comfortable with,” said Charles Blahous, the study’s author. There won’t be an increase in health spending, but “this would be a transformative change in the size of the federal government.”

Larry Levitt, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said the Mercatus study is a good indicator of both the “promise and peril” of Medicare for all.

“You can save money and cover everyone, but it would be a big shift from private payers to the public, and a $32 trillion increase in taxes is going to be scary,” Levitt said, adding that Medicare for all supporters have a tough task ahead of them. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/399715-new-study-ignites-debate-over-cost-of-medicare-for-all
Bernie’s plan is great if you’re sickly, regularly have to see a doctor or are over about 50 and anticipate the need to do so more often as you get older. You want to save money and medical expenses are significant. If you’re in your twenties and haven’t seen a doctor in a decade, you’d rather save those $3,500 a year.

Another point to note is that about half the people who've got adequate healthcare get it as an employment benefit, Bernie's plan would make this unnecessary so employers would save money, I'd expect they could be taxed the difference and as long as the healthcare costs under Bernie's plan weren't higher it would be fine, then again the government rarely accomplishes anything without huge cost-overruns and Bernie's plan figures healthcare providers would be paid 40% less (Medicare rates).
 
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It is bankrupting America, and just you wait till we Boomers start sucking on all that end of life care we hand out that everyone else is smart enough to not hand out, which more than a few call patient abuse....but the Boomers have always wanted it all havent we.

And we saw this coming long ago, and did nothing.

And notice if you will how Trump is here.

Bad work carries consequences.

QUALITY MATTERS!

Trump will save the day!!! Sorry....he has no plan.


Medicare for all is the cure.....take it or die
 
Government will ration your care. Need a knee replacement, wait six-nine months!

It's already that way under Obamacare for many things. I am still waiting for approval for a medicine prescribed by my doctor that I should have started two days ago. :(
 
It's already that way under Obamacare for many things. I am still waiting for approval for a medicine prescribed by my doctor that I should have started two days ago. :(

I am very sorry to hear that AO.
 
Trump will save the day!!! Sorry....he has no plan.


Medicare for all is the cure.....take it or die

So my choice is to keep my mostly work provided healthcare or doubling my taxes and worse care? No thanks.

Edit: The funny thing is that if it were Trump proposing Medicare for all then every Democrat would be screaming this is a give away to the rich by transitioning the costs from businesses to the poor and middle class tax payers.
 
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Just think of all the crying when that much more money is siphoned off from blue states into red. You would think they would learn everyone would be better off if they focused on doing it at the state level rather than federal.
 
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