Strains Between McCain and Palin Aides Go Public

[PeteEU]

Factoid: Bush is a Methodist too.

So Bush is a muslim terrorist too!?!

 

[winston53660]

So Bush is a muslim terrorist too!?!

Dang that would mean I'm a Muslim terrorist too. Bush is a member at my family's church:doh

 

[aps]

Your going to need to try a little harder. I want to hear about the dirt that was thrown at them after they were no longer a candidate.

Obama is a muslim: this was a rumor that was active while he was a candidate. I wasn't a member here when this was hot or you would have heard me say, shut up he's a methodist. :roll:

Edwards had an affair: I wasn't here when this was active or you would have heard me say, BFD, infidelity is no one's business except those in the relationship.

Clinton, either one: I can't recall hearing much about them when they weren't candidates. Either way, I think I've ben pretty consistent.

McCain black baby: You just said this was during the campaign... so whatever.

Do terrible lies get told during campaigns? Yes and it sucks. But at least discussing them during the campaign serves some purpose. I'm completely lost as to what purpose is served by grinding Palin into the dirt. It comes across like libs are still afraid of her. But why, she's irrelevant. I just don't get the hostility and gloating nature of it.

Why does grinding Palin into the dirt have to serve a purpose? The woman ground Obama into the dirt during the campaign. For me, I LIKE grinding her into the ground after the nasty LIES she said about Obama. If that makes me a bad person, LOL. I don't care!

You forget that all this news is coming from the McCain campaign.

 

[PeteEU]

Dang that would mean I'm a Muslim terrorist too. Bush is a member at my family's church:doh

TERRORIST! :2wave:

 

[winston53660]

TERRORIST! :2wave:

Things to do today:

Invade Spain convert them to Methodism :2razz:

Buy toilet paper, eggs, milk.

 

[Kayleigh Katz]

Why does grinding Palin into the dirt have to serve a purpose?

Otherwise your just hurting another human being. It just seems like a senseless brutality to visit on someone that is irrelevant.

You forget that all this news is coming from the McCain campaign.

No, I'm quite aware of that, but I don't think that changes anything.

This is one place I seem to lose libs a lot of the time. I always thought being kinder to people was a liberal trait. I thought I was a liberal for a long time because I have a lot of liberal views, but everytime I see something like this come along I'm just appalled at liberal behavior. I remember when Ann Coulter was attacked with a pie or something a few years ago. I thought libs would denounce the behavior, but I didn't hear 1 lib do anything but laugh. Ok, so it wasn't lethal or anything but she didn't know that when it was happening. I'm sure she was terrified. And even though I can't stand her politics I think it's upsetting that she was attacked and was probably scared.

I think if anyone needs there ass kicked here it's the people who knew all these things during the campaign and didn't tell anyone.

 

[Sir Loin]

Well, it sounds like it certainly is important to a lot of people.

Think about this... it is not only Dems who are doing the talking on this issue.

What is clear is that "it" certainly is "important" to you; to the tune of 25 post in only 8 hours yesterday, on the same topic across four different threads. Ah lemmings to the kibble. Chuckle.:doh

 

[aps]

Otherwise your just hurting another human being. It just seems like a senseless brutality to visit on someone that is irrelevant.

I know what you mean, BUT I am a huge believer in what goes around, comes around. She was saying very nasty things and lies about Barack Obama. Sorry, but payback is hell. While I felt sad listening to John McCain's concession speech, I won't ever forget the lack of integrity he showed during his campaign. I am embarrassed for him and Palin.

No, I'm quite aware of that, but I don't think that changes anything.

This is one place I seem to lose libs a lot of the time. I always thought being kinder to people was a liberal trait. I thought I was a liberal for a long time because I have a lot of liberal views, but everytime I see something like this come along I'm just appalled at liberal behavior. I remember when Ann Coulter was attacked with a pie or something a few years ago. I thought libs would denounce the behavior, but I didn't hear 1 lib do anything but laugh. Ok, so it wasn't lethal or anything but she didn't know that when it was happening. I'm sure she was terrified. And even though I can't stand her politics I think it's upsetting that she was attacked and was probably scared.

Liberals are human. Human beings have negative, bad, etc. feelings about other people. Why you are holding liberals to a higher standard is beyond me, particularly about someone who continuously expresses hatred towards liberals and everything we stand for. I, for one, would not have denounced the behavior, but I also wouldn't have said, "Good shot!" I would likely have thought, "What goes around, comes around."

I think if anyone needs there ass kicked here it's the people who knew all these things during the campaign and didn't tell anyone.

I dunno. To me, these charges agasint her, while amusing, don't shed any sort of light on her capabilities (or lack thereof) of being VP.

 

[Middleground]

I've said it before and it's coming true... Palin is being thrown under the bus. Yeah, she sucks, but McCain is even more of a sucker for picking her to be VP.

Was Palin solely McCain's decision? I can't help but wonder if there was pressure put on him by the higher-ups in the party to pick her.

 

[Kayleigh Katz]

I know what you mean, BUT I am a huge believer in what goes around, comes around. She was saying very nasty things and lies about Barack Obama. Sorry, but payback is hell.

Yeah, it is... I think that feeling like it should be done or is ok is sad though.

Liberals are human. Human beings have negative, bad, etc. feelings about other people. Why you are holding liberals to a higher standard is beyond me

I know liberals are human. Maybe it's just my background but I see "payback" as stooping to a lower level. I just get this image in my mind of going to a dog fight, then kicking the losing dog all the way home. How superior does it make you to hate on the loser? I just see it as embarrassing to gloat.

I dunno. To me, these charges agasint her, while amusing, don't shed any sort of light on her capabilities (or lack thereof) of being VP.

The NAFTA stuff is important because she talked about trade issues. The Africa thing was just another sign that she shouldn't ever be considered for a position that could put her in position for the presidency. But the towel thing and the rest... not really important.

 

[talloulou]

Edwards, Obama, Clinton (both of them) they all have been by rumors, stories etc.

Or do you forget that the Clintons had a hit list. What about Obama being a Muslim because when he was a kid was in Indonesia.

Every politician has had the media against them in one way or another with rumors.

And the famous McCain has a black baby during the 2000 Republican primaries.

I don't think the press is being unfair in giving Palin ****. I think they're being unfair in reporting gossip that's "anonymous." There's a difference. I don't you how you are supposed to defend yourself against, "An anonymous person said you're stupid."

I don't believe the media should report on unverifiable anonymous gossip as if it's credible news. The person being attacked doesn't matter. I'd condemn this sort of rot no matter who it was about.

 

[talloulou]

Edwards, Obama, Clinton (both of them) they all have been by rumors, stories etc.

Or do you forget that the Clintons had a hit list. What about Obama being a Muslim because when he was a kid was in Indonesia.

Every politician has had the media against them in one way or another with rumors.

And the famous McCain has a black baby during the 2000 Republican primaries.

The major news networks did not do stories lending credibility to anonymous sources claiming Obama to be a Muslim.

McCain does have a black daughter. She's adopted. I don't recall what the rumors were or how they played out in 2000 but again if the reporters were investigating the story behind his actual black daughter that's fine. If they were reporting unverifiable gossip from anonymous sources as if it were credible then that's crap journalism.

 

[Thorgasm]

McCain's daughter isn't black. She's from Bangladesh.

 

[talloulou]

McCain's daughter isn't black. She's from Bangladesh.

Well she looks more black than asian, at least she does to me. But the point is that the rumors were about her and they were something McCain could easily respond to. Not exactly the same as someone just claiming you're stupid without any evidence, anonymously. It's a totally different kind of attack. It goes beyond what we normally see out of the major news media. It's more like "news' you'd read on the internet on a blog.

 

[Bonnie1988]

How can you be so sure? The article didn't drop any specific names, so there's no way to know who these "anonymous" sources are. They could be actual McCain aids who have first-hand knowledge, or they could be the maid and the janitor for all we know. I suspect that the sources will probably turn out to be credible in the end, but I don't see how it's a certainty just yet. Do you know of an article that mentions somebody by name?

Nothing is "public." What the media is reporting is "there is a rumor without any source or evidence we can say that" - followed by the next smear against Palin. No source to determine if there is any credibility to it, no confirmation, and nothing to support the smear campaign's claims.

The status quo of government, Wall Street and the military industrial complex hate and fear Palin.

The "source" is well known in the Palin and McCain camps. It is Romney who launched his "Romney 2012" campaign a month before the election and began spreading whatever rumors they could think of against Palin. This is why Romney was not allowed to campaign with McCain or Palin, nor allowed to speak to the media as a spokesperson for the campaign.

FOX, Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush L., Ann Colter all pushed Romney for the Republican nomination and then for the V.P. slot. They are pushing Romney again. Romney spent nearly 100 million of his own money - the largest among on Fox and Right wing radio ads. It is interesting to see when Democrats do and don't believe what they see on FOX.

FOX said Obama is a socialist and even a communist. True?

 

[Bonnie1988]

Well she looks more black than asian, at least she does to me. But the point is that the rumors were about her and they were something McCain could easily respond to. Not exactly the same as someone just claiming you're stupid without any evidence, anonymously. It's a totally different kind of attack. It goes beyond what we normally see out of the major news media. It's more like "news' you'd read on the internet on a blog.

McCain has disavowed all of the rumor-smears as false repeatedly.

The goal of the status quo of government, Wall Street and the military industrial complex is to make certain that no matter who wins the election, they win. And they always do. Palin is an outsider whose career is built upon defeating the men of the status quo. So whatever can be said to destroy her, no evidence or even source needed, they will present it as fact. And most people will believe anything they are told.

They may be going too far. This particularly low manner of attack is very much hardening and entrenching her supporters and has established her celebrity status - certainly in Republican circles. Palin could have 1,000 reporters at any press conference she might call anywhere in the world. Maybe 4 would come to a Romney press conference if not too inconvenient for them. She remains a massively larger draw than McCain or any other Republican.

She has a rare status. Everyone either loves her or hates her. The emotions surrounding her are high. This is unique for Palin on the Republican side of the world. Psydo-Republicans claiming otherwise are just that.

 

[Binary_Digit]

It's important because we were lied to by a U.S. Senator who was tying to get our vote for him to be the President of the USA. THAT matters. The truth about that bimbo needs to come out. Call it what you want. Don't like it, then don't participate or read these bad yet, true stories about the bimbo who almost got to be one heartbeat away from "being" our President.

Some things may be disgusting. But, they still need to be.

I wish I could thank you twice for this post.

 

[1069]

McCain does have a black daughter. She's adopted.

Mccain's only "adopted daughter" is Bridget Mccain, a Bagladeshi.
Bangladesh is, you know... more like East Indian/ Asian.
She's pretty dark-skinned, but she's not "black" (as in, of African extraction).
She's more like East Indian. And, I mean, besides that, she's got asian-type hair.

 

[niftydrifty]

Palin denounces her critics as cowardly - Yahoo! News

 

[talloulou]

Mccain's only "adopted daughter" is Bridget Mccain, a Bagladeshi.
Bangladesh is, you know... more like East Indian/ Asian.
She's pretty dark-skinned, but she's not "black" (as in, of African extraction).
She's more like East Indian. And, I mean, besides that, she's got asian-type hair.

Well sheesh I thought skin color was no big deal now! I don't know why folks would consider it a big deal that I mistakenly called her black. I haven't seen her much. I knew she was adopted but didn't remember where from. The few times I've seen her on TV and in print she looked black. So what? So she's Asian. Who cares? The point was if there were rumors about him having a black kid it was because he had a kid that looked black. Whether or not she was black was hardly the main point of my post. The point was comparing reporters talking about McCain's black baby to reporters talking about Palin in a towel or anonymous folks saying Palin is dumb as dog **** is comparing apples to oranges. It's reasonable for the media to be interested in a candidates kids based on what folks have seen. It's completely unreasonable for the media to do reports on anonymous people claiming a candidate is dumb.

 

[GarzaUK]

I don't believe the media should report on unverifiable anonymous gossip as if it's credible news. The person being attacked doesn't matter. I'd condemn this sort of rot no matter who it was about.

I'm confused tall though, you seemed welling to jump on the media bandwagon when that female McCain staffer got suppposed attacked by an Obama supporter and carved a B in her face before the facts or a investigation took place. Yet you condemn this.

I know you showed enough class to apologise to everyone when the facts became clear. I'm just saying.

 

[Family Guy]

Your from NY and your skin is that thin? WTF?

Not thin skinned just respectful. Making ridiculous stereotypes about NY or anywhere is a less educated way of excusing one's lack of an intellectual way to respond to a challenge.

 

[Bonnie1988]

It's important because we were lied to by a U.S. Senator who was tying to get our vote for him to be the President of the USA. THAT matters. The truth about that bimbo needs to come out. Call it what you want. Don't like it, then don't participate or read these bad yet, true stories about the bimbo who almost got to be one heartbeat away from "being" our President.

Some things may be disgusting. But, they still need to be.

It is very clear that Democrats and liberals such as you are the new bigots, hate-mongers and sexists of the country and such as is the new president BTW. I'm glad that homosexual rights were voted down as a matter then of fairness. Understandably you're bitter about that. Good.

 

[ADK_Forever]

It is very clear that Democrats and liberals such as you are the new bigots, hate-mongers and sexists of the country and such as is the new president BTW.

Hmmm... who sounds like the bigoted, hate-monger in here? :2wave: I guess you can feel some solace in the knowledge that you have others in here to commiserate with.

I'm glad that homosexual rights were voted down as a matter then of fairness. Understandably you're bitter about that. Good.

We know you're glad that a group of Americans have had their rights legally restricted... for now.

Mark my words, it is only a matter of time for gay marriage to be legal in all 50 states. We will see huge gains on this issue during Obama's first 4 years. It wasn't that long ago that we had to suffer with smoke in the work place and look how quickly that changed.

 

[Thorgasm]

I wish he could change things so I don't have to suffer idiots at work.