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Stolen Valor

Pound4abrown said:
Jesus ****ing Christ, are we really at a place where we can't ****ing agree on what stolen valor is?
He loaded freight, for ****'s sake.
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Apparently we can't agree. Stating you were stationed in Afganistan, when you weren't, isn't stolen Valor. Being in a physical place doesn't determine Valor, your actions do. Claiming to be in campaigns in Afganistan, such as Operation Enduring Freedom, when you were not, would be stolen valor.
 
Pound4abrown said:
No. It ****ing isn't. He lied about being in combat. No amount of double secret spy bullshit is going to make this any less stolen valor.
And the right continues to back-peddle from "supporting the troops" like neon Deion Sanders in his prime.
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Where did he state he was in actual combat, or are you making that up?
 
Mycroft said:
Stolen valor is despicable and a slap in the face of every REAL veteran.

And, if this contention is true, Ohio needs to find another candidate.

(You don't provide a credible link to this contention, Gateman_Wen.)
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I agree with you that if he lied about his deployment that Ohio needs to find another candidate, but it is not stolen valor.

Stolen valor is when someone who has never served in the military pretends that they have. Lying about a deployment while on active duty is not the same thing as claiming to have served in the military when they never have. The former is just a lie, while the latter is stolen valor and a federal crime.
 
Mycroft said:
The issue isn't whether he's a veteran and no, one does not have to be in combat or, even, in a combat zone. Anyone serving during specific time periods are considered to be veterans. However, if one portrays themselves to be a combat veteran one is presumed to having served in a combat zone, whether they actually engaged in combat or not.

But that's not the issue that I have with this person. If he says he served in Afghanistan...but didn't...THAT is stolen valor. That is unacceptable.
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I completely agree. I served with the Marine Corps from 1972 until 1980. Technically, that makes me a Vietnam vet. However, by 1972 Nixon was bringing troops back from Vietnam. So instead of sending me to Vietnam the Marines sent me to Okinawa in 1973, where I refueled helicopters for 13 months. I never stepped foot in Vietnam, but I still served in the military during that period.

Lying about one's deployment is not honorable, but it is also not stolen valor if they did serve in the military. It is only stolen valor when someone who has never served in the military claims that they have.
 
NolanVoyd said:
I suppose.

But you aren't really a combat veteran


You know that right.
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There is no supposing. Either your a combat veteran or your not. He is by the military requirements. He never claimed to be in any fire fights with the enemy.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
There is no supposing. Either your a combat veteran or your not. He is by the military requirements. He never claimed to be in any fire fights with the enemy.
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He should not have claimed to have served in Afghanistan when he never did. While not stolen valor, it is still a lie.
 
Glitch said:
He should not have claimed to have served in Afghanistan when he never did. While not stolen valor, it is still a lie.
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That's still different regarding my point. Him being a combat veteran wasn't connected to him not actually serveing in Afganistan. It was him being stationed in Qatar that was in a combat zone.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Yes, it is Stolen Valor.
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No. Valor isn't dependant only on a specific location, like Afganistan. Valor is participating in actions against the enemy. Falsely stating you were stationed in Afganistan is not stolen valor. Saying you participated in actions such as "Operation Enduring Freedom" while in Afganistan, may be considered stolen valor.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
It actually is a combat zone during the Afgan war.

The following countries are currently recognized as combat zones: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

www.afcent.af.mil

Tax season: Filing from a combat zone

The deadline to file taxes this year is April 18. However, if you or your spouse is serving in a combat zone, the deadline for filing income taxes is 180 days after your last day in the combat zone.
www.afcent.af.mil
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As an Iraq veteran, that’s bullshit.

Qatar is where we went to get away from the combat zone for R&R.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
No. Valor isn't dependant only on a specific location, like Afganistan. Valor is participating in actions against the enemy. Falsely stating you were stationed in Afganistan is not stolen valor. Saying you participated in actions such as "Operation Enduring Freedom" in Afganistan, may be considered stolen valor.
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100% wrong. But thanks anyway.
 
Mycroft said:
Stolen valor is despicable and a slap in the face of every REAL veteran.

And, if this contention is true, Ohio needs to find another candidate.

(You don't provide a credible link to this contention, Gateman_Wen.)
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"LOOK AT ME HAVING IT BOTH WAYS GUYZZZZ!!!!!"
 
Linuxcooldude said:
My understanding to be a combat veteran, you have to be in a combat zone in support of operations. Not nessicarily in actual fire fights persey. Anything in the Persian Gulf region should apply as that was considered a combat zone during that time period. Including Qatar.

This coming from a Gulf War veteran during three different operations.
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No.

I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm just down a Saudi Hwy from the front. You had to be within a certain proximity of the front line to be a combat vet. Despite some of the hairy shit I went through, I am not a combat vet just for having been in the general region.

As a Gulf War veteran, you should know this.
 
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Questerr said:
As an Iraq veteran, that’s bullshit.

Qatar is where we went to get away from the combat zone for R&R.
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Just to be on the same page, it's not the Gulf War, but the conflict in Afganistan. Sorry, but as I've already linked my source, Qatar was a combat zone during that period.
 
poweRob said:
No.

I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm just down a Saudi Hwy from the front. You had to be within a certain proximity of the front line to be a combat vet. Despite some of the hairy shit I went through, I am not a combat vet for having been in the general region.
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I served in the Gulf War myself in three campaigns.

Not according to several sources, such as the Veterns Administration consider a combat veteran to be a veteran who served in a combat zone. Haven't seen your sources yet.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Just to be on the same page, it's not the Gulf War, but the conflict in Afganistan. Sorry, but as I've already linked my source, Qatar was a combat zone during that period.
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Qatar is even further from Afghanistan than it is from Iraq.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
I served in the Gulf War myself in three campaigns.

Not according to several sources, such as the Veterns Administration consider a combat veteran to be a veteran who served in a combat zone. Haven't seen your sources yet.
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I'm my source. I was there. I saw many ****ing phonies that would take a ride up to the perimeter just to get a combat ribbon for their chest. Then I recall them putting a hard halt on that practice. It was just another form of stolen valor.
 
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