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And there's nothing Vick can do to make racists forgive him, but he didn't need the promise of their forgiveness to know that apologizing for his wrongs and changing his outlook on life was the right thing to do.
And there's nothing Vick can do to make racists forgive him, but he didn't need the promise of their forgiveness to know that apologizing for his wrongs and changing his outlook on life was the right thing to do.
And there's nothing Vick can do to make racists forgive him, but he didn't need the promise of their forgiveness to know that apologizing for his wrongs and changing his outlook on life was the right thing to do.
Sterling. Racism is far more damaging to society than dog fighting. It's not even close.
One of the major problems we have in this country right now is that there are too many idiots who care more about animals than people.
(Before some braindead moron tries to pretend that I'm saying it's OK to kill dogs and that Vick didn't deserve any punishment, I'm not. I'm saying racism is a lot ****ing worse than killing dogs. If you disagree, then feel free to explain exactly why you think racism is better than dog killing).
I often find it hilarious that some people will rail on and on about Vick's actions while they eat meat every night. Now that is some retarded ass hypocricy right there.
What Vick did is the moral equivalent of having a beef farm. He killed animals, often very cruelly, for profit. How is that different than what happened to a Big Mac?
Wait...you think people that dont forgive Vick wont do so because they are 'racist'?And there's nothing Vick can do to make racists forgive him, but he didn't need the promise of their forgiveness to know that apologizing for his wrongs and changing his outlook on life was the right thing to do.
Humans by nature eat meat, as do many other animals. A beef farm isn't illegal. Dog fighting is. To compare the torture of dogs with beef farming is ridiculous.
Society wasn't damaged because an old man didn't want his young girlfriend to take selfies with a black man who has HIV. Can you be any more dramatic?
Society was more damaged by young kids seeing a convicted animal abuser come back to a hero's welcome in the NFL than it was by Donald Sterling.
Stirling makes racist comments in a private conversation and is banned for life from the NBA.
Vick fights, abuses, tortures, kills dogs and is welcomed back into the NFL.
Who is worse?
FYI, Vick is with the Jets so he's no longer with the Eagles, you can stop rooting for him now, Philly. :2razz:Saint Michael has turned his life around and has been apologetic for many years. He has become an excellent human being and a model citizen.
Sterling has doubled down on his vile arrogance and publicly talks **** on Magic Johnson after being exposed as a bitter racist.
Everyone has a dark side. It's our willingness to conquer and become better people that defines us. Vick has demonstrated that. Sterling refuses to.
Here's my issue with this Tucker.
On a macro level, if you're asking me what's "worse" for society....fighting dogs or racism, I'd say racism.
That's different than asking on a micro level who is "worse"...someone who killed some dogs or someone who said racist comments.
I think, in terms of damage to society, racism is far more damaging than rape is. The political and societal ramifications of racism and how it can play into so many things makes it something far more damaging to me. On a MACRO level, I'd say racism is "more damaging" to society than rape.
But if you asked me "Who's 'worse', a guy who raped a woman or a guy who spits at black people" I'm going to say the rapist 100 times out of a 100.
That's because the CONCEPT of Racism is more damaging, but the question isn't about the concept...it's about the individual people and their individual actions.
What exactly did Sterling do to society?
It has gotten to the point where someone cannot even say the word "jew" without being called a "racist".
I dont think its ever a good idea to look two closely at two reeking piles of manure to judge which is the foulest.
Ah, so if dog fighting was legal, you'd have no problem with Vick? Your moral beliefs are based entirely on legality, and nothing else?
If not, then why the **** would you even pretend this is a rebuttal?
Society is damaged when an old man in power is a racist. Can you be any more oblivious?
You do realize that calling me dramatic and then following that accusation with what amounts to the above is what those of us with fancy book-learnin' call "ironic", right?
Especially when you consider the fact that kids were not involved at all (in other words, bringing kids into it is simply retarded), Vick did NOT receive a hero's welcome (thus claiming he did is retarded), thus you simply made up a bunch of retarded melodramatic nonsense because, presumably, an intelligent rebuttal was something far beyond your capablities.
Good stuff, right there. +1000 for not even trying.
Society is damaged when an old man in power is a racist. .
Vick committed actual crimes. Thats the equivalent question of "what does a murderer do to society". Sterling didnt 'promote' racism...he exposed himself as having racist beliefs in a private conversation with his cuckolding girlfriend. As has been pointed out...he is 'such' a racist that the NAACP was about to give him a lifetime achievement award for the numerous programs he has put in place and/or funded specifically targetting minority communities.He promoted the idea of segregation based on race which, even on a small level, is horrible for society.
Before you ask ME that question, though, you should ask yourself what Vick did to society. The honest answer is not a goddamned thing. But he got two years. He got a lot of outrage spewed at him, by hypocrites who don't even hesitate to eat meat, no less.
Racism, no matter how it gets promoted, damages society. Sterling promoted racism. He was racist. Thus he is worse than Vick who simply drew an arbitrarily line in a different place than where most people draw it.
First, I'd argue rape is more damaging to society than racism, because rape is often sexism and violence combined. Macro, micro, no difference. A society that condones rape is worse than one that condones racism. It's a country mile in the difference between those two societies, IMO. The one that condones racism is going to be very bad, the one that condones rape is going to be extremely evil.
I honestly don't think a valid argument can be presented that can support a claim that racism is worse than rape even on a macro level when one actually looks at what condoning both would achieve.
Vick's worse behavior merits the permanent reduction in job opportunity and earning potential that an identical ban would produce, and it is deplorable that he got off with anything less.
I admit I haven't read the whole thread, but I would have thought this was already covered.Wait....Vick was caught, charges were pressed, he was found guilty and sentenced to prison, and he served his time. He has a permanent criminal record.
Addressed in my reply #48, but I don't mind repeating: I want him to get the same treatment you and me would have gotten if we had been convicted of a violent crime like dogfighting.What more do you want?
The same kind of job you and me would be relegated to if we had been convicted of a violent crime like dogfighting.What jobs would you relegate him to after having served his time in prison?
That is a corrupt analogy for several reasons. To take one, in the examples you mention animals are killed to promote human life whereas the animals used in dogfighting are killed solely for the depraved pleasure of watching them suffer and die.Also - keep in mind that we humans slaughter ca-gillions of animals a year for food, clothing, and research.
Yeah, right- you deserves to have people like you wagging their fingers and muttering "tut tut, what a bad man you are!"I'm not saying Vick isn't a skeezy human being and that he deserves to be completely forgiven for his past behavior.
This debate has nothing to do with the economic system.But he served time in prison, and was hired by a football team after all that to play for them. That's not his fault. That's just capitalism.
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