Stemexpress bought intact dead babies from planned parenthood

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This, from some of the people who brought you the highly doctored video's:
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California Life Coalition

Joint Press Release
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For Immediate Release​

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Contact: Troy Newman, Director, Operation Rescue West (<--- One of the main dudes behind this phony "Center for Medical Progress." )
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Cheryl Sullenger, Director, California Life Coalition <phone # redacted>

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Execution of Paul Hill Nothing Less than Murder ​

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Paul Jennings Hill is scheduled to die by lethal injection today in the state of Florida for the murder of a Pensacola abortionist and his security guard in 1994. The following is a joint statement released by Operation Rescue West and the California Life Coalition regarding today’s execution:

“Today’s scheduled execution of Paul Hill is not justice, but is another example of the judicial tyranny that is gripping our nation.

A Florida judge denied Rev. Hill his right to present a defense that claimed that the killing of the abortionist was necessary to save the lives of the pre-born babies that were scheduled to be killed by abortion that day. Our system of justice is based upon ‘innocent until proven guilty,’ but in Rev. Hill’s case, there was no justice because the court prevented him from presenting the legal defense that his conduct was justifiable defensive action.

“There are many examples where taking the life in defense of innocent human beings is legally justified and permissible under the law.

Paul Hill should have been given the opportunity to defend himself with the defense of his choosing in a court of law. Because he was denied this right, the full truth and motivations behind Hill's actions were kept hidden from the jury. If Paul Hill’s life can be taken by the state without the full advantage of the protections afforded him by due process simply because of the unpopularity of his views, then we have to wonder who is next? No one is safe from being denied a defense by an out-of-control and biased judicial system. Execution under these circumstances is nothing less than murder of a political prisoner.

“We pray for Paul Hill today, for his wife and children, and for our nation that sees no value in the lives of the innocent victims of abortion that Hill endeavored to rescue, but instead protects and defends their killers. Today, it is justice that has been aborted. May God have mercy on us!””[/TD]
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[Fletch]

This, from some of the people who brought you the highly doctored video's:

You know that the entire, unedited versions of each video have been released, right? And it is also true that you haven't watched a single one of them, right? So your objection is not substantive, but ideological, right? Right.

 

[Paperview]

You know that the entire, unedited versions of each video have been released, right? And it is also true that you haven't watched a single one of them, right? So your objection is not substantive, but ideological, right? Right.

No. That's not true.

I've watched most all / or read transcripts of most all.

Where do you get off spouting such nonsense?

And why don't YOU answer the question asked: Is killing an abortion doctor justified?



Do you agree with the proponents of this video. Yes or no?

 

[Fletch]

No. That's not true.

I've watched most all / or read transcripts of most all.

Where do you get off spouting such nonsense?

And why don't YOU answer the question asked: Is killing an abortion doctor justified?



Do you agree with the proponents of this video. Yes or no?

You made the bogus claim that they were 'doctored.' If you are going to lie about that, then you will lie about everything.

 

[year2late]

You made the bogus claim that they were 'doctored.' If you are going to lie about that, then you will lie about everything.

Interesting that you repeatedly did not answer the question "is killing an abortion doctor justified".

Duly noted.

 

[bubbabgone]

I haven't watched "all". Nobody has. Including "you".

David Daleiden and his partner in crime attended AN ANNUAL MEETING between "Planned Parenthood" and "The National Abortion Federation". Where did he get the information, prior to the meeting, regarding the meeting agenda?

First, yes I have.
Second, I'm not talking about some meeting agenda.
I'm talking about their level of technical knowledge about PP's capturing & selling of fetus parts, who it's being sold do, and how much they're paid for the parts.
That was apparent in the videos if you had watched them.
Are you suggesting all that was discussed at a PP annual meeting?
That'd be a whole other layer to the scandal.

If you watched the videos you'd see the content & timing of the releases are designed to crush the excuses by the apologists offered after the previous release.
Very cleverly done.

 

[bubbabgone]

We know the people involved with this fake scam are some of Operation Rescue members, and I showed earlier.

Do you agree with those people -- Newman, for one, who is named in the current suit, works with the phony "CMP"

- who said that killing an abortion doctor is justified?

Yes or no?

Is killing an abortion doctor is justified?

I don't, no.
Did Daleiden say it was?
Anticipating your response consider this ...
Do you think Kermit Gosnell voted Democrat? After all the Democrat Party killed resolutions to condemn what he did.

How about if a fetus is technically born alive or partially delivered in order to retrieve them intact to be sold as tissue? Justified?
How about changing an abortion process in order to assure you don't damage the parts you want? Justified?
How about not getting clearance from the woman but still capturing fetal tissue from the abortion? Justified?
How about lying about not selling fetal tissue in the first place? Justified?
After all what's breaking a Law or two and making a few bucks on the deal considering all the wonderful things it can yield.

Your turn.

 

[Removable Mind]

First, yes I have.
Second, I'm not talking about some meeting agenda.
I'm talking about their level of technical knowledge about PP's capturing & selling of fetus parts, who it's being sold do, and how much they're paid for the parts.
That was apparent in the videos if you had watched them.
Are you suggesting all that was discussed at a PP annual meeting?
That'd be a whole other layer to the scandal.

If you watched the videos you'd see the content & timing of the releases are designed to crush the excuses by the apologists offered after the previous release.
Very cleverly done.

Very cleverly done as in "What ya see is what ya get"? Well...for the supporters of CMP...I'm happy for ya.

So now that all of these videos have been authenticated by a Justice Department agency's forensic staff and we know that there's been no manipulations or editing. RIGHT? And these butchers and partial birth body parts sales persons have now been officially exposed and will soon meet their doom for engaging in their windfall profits derived from highly illegal form of abortion practice (according to the Partial Birth Act) that will bring them a huge sum of 30.00 to 100.00 for each organ (or cadaver) RIGHT?

And it's been verified by enforcement agencies that born alive preemies have been carefully removed from the womb and are kept alive while they are systematically dissected? YES?

And it's been it's been verified by enforcement agencies that PP has now established a business, which includes the wholesale butchery of intact viable stage fetuses that were known to be health and thriving - before being MAYBE euthanize and dissected for body parts? Yes?

Oh, wait - There hasn't been any Federal or State enforcement agency's forensic reports on these videos yet, which can verify their authenticity in content and context. And as of yet, there seems to be no news provided to the public that there's been born alive preemies and viable fetuses aborted (or surgically removed) for the purpose of creating a revenue streaming derived from extremely ill-gotten gains. There's been no herds of law enforcing storming PP's across the nation - with vans loading up all of the criminals in this horrid network of body butchers. RIGHT?

Why hasn't large numbers of federal and state law enforcement stormed every Planned Parenthood location around the U.S.?

 

[bubbabgone]

Very cleverly done as in "What ya see is what ya get"? Well...for the supporters of CMP...I'm happy for ya.

So now that all of these videos have been authenticated by a Justice Department agency's forensic staff and we know

that there's been no manipulations or editing. RIGHT?

And these butchers and partial birth body parts sales persons have now been officially exposed and will soon meet their doom for engaging in their windfall profits derived from highly illegal form of abortion practice (according to the Partial Birth Act) that will

bring them a huge sum of 30.00 to 100.00 for each organ (or cadaver) RIGHT?

And it's been verified by enforcement agencies that born alive preemies have been carefully removed from the womb and are kept alive while they are systematically dissected? YES?

And it's been it's been verified by enforcement agencies that PP has now established a business, which includes the wholesale butchery of intact viable stage fetuses that were known to be health and thriving - before being MAYBE euthanize and dissected for body parts? Yes?

Oh, wait - There hasn't been any Federal or State enforcement agency's forensic reports on these videos yet, which can verify their authenticity in content and context. And as of yet, there seems to be no news provided to the public that there's been born alive preemies and viable fetuses aborted (or surgically removed) for the purpose of creating a revenue streaming derived from extremely ill-gotten gains. There's been no herds of law enforcing storming PP's across the nation - with vans loading up all of the criminals in this horrid network of body butchers. RIGHT?

Why hasn't large numbers of federal and state law enforcement stormed every Planned Parenthood location around the U.S.?

You must be joking.
The FBI just got around to getting Hillary's server after 5 years and they're not inclined to do anything on this while Obama is in the WH to protect PP.

Anyway, since DP doesn't recognize the same group as a protected group with its inherent reservations ...

“An earlier version of this editorial incorrectly stated that the full video was released by Center for Medical Progress after complaints by Planned Parenthood. It was posted at the same time as the edited version.” – NYT

“We never discussed [with the mother], [researchers] may want just a leg, or an arm, or these specific organs,” Johnson told The Daily Signal in an interview published Monday. “That would create a sense of humanity in their unborn child.”

She and her co-workers received a bonus of between $5 and $20 for every woman they personally convinced to donate to the clinic, depending on the value of that particular unborn baby. Once the woman agreed to have an abortion and signed the paperwork, clinic staff would bring up a “research opportunity.”

She and her co-workers received a bonus of between $5 and $20 for every woman they personally convinced to donate to the clinic, depending on the value of that particular unborn baby.

“It’s terrifying. Imagine if you were an abortion patient and someone was going in and stealing your baby’s parts and half of these women are already on edge as it is,” O’Donnell said. “So it’s just terrible.”

According to O’Donnell [StemExpress procurement technician], when she would come into work every morning, she and her StemExpress coworkers would have access to Planned Parenthood’s logs and patient records so they could plan what kinds of “supply” they would be able to procure that day. Even patients coming to the clinic for a simple pregnancy test could be considered part of their agenda for the day.

We had absolutely no idea what the tissue was going to be used for. We weren’t told that information. We simply had a contract with a research facility, and they said, “Hey, we need to buy specimens from you, how many can you provide? We’ll give you ‘X’ amount of dollars for each specimen you send.”

It depended on how much Planned Parenthood was getting per research participant. For our fetal tissue study, we got paid about $200 per baby that we sent. If I recall correctly, I think the compensation to the staff was about $20 per enrollment. If it was a minor study … one time we did a study where they were testing different kinds of pap brushes … we got about $5 for each patient.

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[bubbabgone]

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part 2

Planned Parenthood has done such a good job covering themselves because both of those procedures are considered acceptable standard of care. They can say, “We’re not doing the manual aspiration to get a more intact specimen; we’re doing it because this woman’s concerned about pain and this would be less painful than the vacuum aspiration procedure.”

The researchers provided the Styrofoam box and dry ice to Planned Parenthood. Literally the only cost we had was shipping the box. And that was about $20 every time we shipped. So Planned Parenthood is getting $200 per specimen, and we’re taking all the specimens, putting them in one box and shipping it off for $20. The different fetal body parts are not shipped individually.

The way that the law is written currently, it allows them to charge for these certain items as long as they are coded correctly on a line-item budget. And that’s the problem with the law, is that it’s so subjective as far as the cost. As long as they code it as, we need $100 for extra work in collecting the tissue—well, there is no extra work. And that’s what the videos are showing, with Dr. Mary Gatter, she said, “We don’t have to change anything.” That’s true: they don’t have to do anything.

I gave you these few pieces of information because you're not inclined to actually seek them out yourself and God forbid you watch the videos or read the interviews where all your points would be answered.

 

[Removable Mind]

part 2







I gave you these few pieces of information because you're not inclined to actually seek them out yourself and God forbid you watch the videos or read the interviews where all your points would be answered.

I don't care if it took the FBI 5 years to get around to Hillary. Political corruption bull**** is everywhere and if the FBI did it's job there wouldn't be a politician left in Washington and probably most state legislations.

WHERE ARE FEDERAL INVESTIGATING AGENCIES TODAY in this matter? Where is any evidence that validates the claims made by CMP - AFTER a qualified investigative federal agency forensically authenticates the content and context of the videos as NOT being manipulated or edited.

When there is this type of evidence - I will invest time to watch them. Until then...you're watching something that you don't know has anymore validity that a "Simpson's episode".

 

[bubbabgone]

I don't care if it took the FBI 5 years to get around to Hillary.

(1) Political corruption bull**** is everywhere and if the FBI did it's job there wouldn't be a politician left in Washington and probably most state legislations.

WHERE ARE FEDERAL INVESTIGATING AGENCIES TODAY in this matter?

(2) Where is any evidence that validates the claims made by CMP - AFTER a qualified investigative federal agency forensically authenticates the content and context of the videos as NOT being manipulated or edited.

(3) When there is this type of evidence - I will invest time to watch them.

Until then...you're watching something that you don't know has anymore validity that a "Simpson's episode".

(1) that might be a very good thing.
(2) Are you serious? You're still hanging on to that silly edited/manipulated/fake video nonsense that was jettisoned as lame after the very first video? L:ike I said, the entire tapes have been released. Amazing it still has staying power for you. It's like you're using it only as an excuse to not get informed.
Well I know of 2 people who can testify from first hand experience. If they're not asked then authorities haven't been told to ask. And the persons on the video said what they said.
(3)

 

[Removable Mind]

(1) that might be a very good thing.
(2) Are you serious? You're still hanging on to that silly edited/manipulated/fake video nonsense that was jettisoned as lame after the very first video? L:ike I said, the entire tapes have been released. Amazing it still has staying power for you. It's like you're using it only as an excuse to not get informed.
Well I know of 2 people who can testify from first hand experience. If they're not asked then authorities haven't been told to ask. And the persons on the video said what they said.
(3)

Alright then...the entire tapes have been released. Great!

And yet...still no investigation by federal enforcement agencies (or state agencies) that provides "forensic evidence" as to whether or not the videos have been manipulated or edited for content and context?

Yes?

No?

Still no arrest for the heinous claims?

Yes?

No?

WHY HAS THERE NOT BEEN as of today? Violations of the "Partial Birth Act" ALONE can wreak legal havoc on PP. Where's the heat when ya need'em?

 

[bubbabgone]

Alright then...the entire tapes have been released. Great!

And yet...still no investigation by federal enforcement agencies (or state agencies) that provides "forensic evidence" as to whether or not the videos have been manipulated or edited for content and context?

Yes?

No?

Still no arrest for the heinous claims?

Yes?

No?

WHY HAS THERE NOT BEEN as of today? Violations of the "Partial Birth Act" ALONE can wreak legal havoc on PP. Where's the heat when ya need'em?

ahem ... you said it yourself ... Political corruption bull**** is everywhere and if the FBI did it's job there wouldn't be a politician left in Washington and probably most state legislations.
But in this case it's much narrower. Liberal women's votes, Democrat legislators, and the White House.
And it took a long time to go after Gosnell, if you recall.
You shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

 

[Removable Mind]

ahem ... you said it yourself ... Political corruption bull**** is everywhere and if the FBI did it's job there wouldn't be a politician left in Washington and probably most state legislations.
But in this case it's much narrower. Liberal women's votes, Democrat legislators, and the White House.
And it took a long time to go after Gosnell, if you recall.
You shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

And when the evidence has been presented...it still wouldn't be a "I told you so moment for you." Why? Because you've already declared PP guilt...period. And your declaration at this very moment is still opinion UNTIL such evidence validates your opinion.

 

[minnie616]

ahem ...
And it took a long time to go after Gosnell, if you recall.
You shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

Actually Gosnell's clinic was raided on Feb 18, 2010
And his license to practice was suspended 4 days later on Feb. 22, 2010.

It's been about a month and 6 videos and as far as I know the justice dept. has not suspended any license's or closed any PP clinics. Haven't even heard of any investigations by the FBI or the Justice dept.

 

[sangha]

Actually Gosnell's clinic was raided on Feb 18, 2010
And his license to practice was suspended 4 days later on Feb. 22, 2010.

It's been about a month and 6 videos and as far as I know the justice dept. has not suspended any license's or closed any PP clinics. Haven't even heard of any investigations by the FBI or the Justice dept.

And so far, two states have investigated PP. Neither found any evidence of PP selling fetal tissue or intact fetus'

 

[bubbabgone]

And when the evidence has been presented...it still wouldn't be a "I told you so moment for you." Why? Because you've already declared PP guilt...period. And your declaration at this very moment is still opinion UNTIL such evidence validates your opinion.

2 witnesses, my man ... 2 witnesses.

 

[bubbabgone]

Actually Gosnell's clinic was raided on Feb 18, 2010
And his license to practice was suspended 4 days later on Feb. 22, 2010.

It's been about a month and 6 videos and as far as I know the justice dept. has not suspended any license's or closed any PP clinics. Haven't even heard of any investigations by the FBI or the Justice dept.

And before the Gosnell raid?

This enormous communications gap between the different communities of people who wanted for years to put Gosnell out of business is likely a result of the major cultural and values gap between anti-abortion activists and the poor minority women whose desperation Gosnell exploited. "The stigma against abortion creates this silence," said Charlotte Taft, director of the Abortion Care Network, on a Tuesday conference call arranged by RH Reality Check. It "makes women who go to clinics like this not blow their own whistle."

Finnegan, for her part, blames the National Abortion Federation, the professional association of abortion providers in North America, for not reporting Gosnell to authorities after inspecting his facilities. "The National Abortion Federation knew how bad things were in the Gosnell facility. We did not," she told me. It's a fair point -- though it's also worth noting that Gosnell only reached out to NAF and asked for an inspection after the November 2009 death of Karnamaya Mongar, making the group a pretty late comer on the scene. He was shut down by state authorities less than two months after NAF rejected his application. NAF did its inspection on Dec. 14 and 15, 2009, and rejected Gosnell's application on January 4, 2010. The clinic was raided on Feb. 18 of that year and Gosnell's license was suspended on Feb. 22. - Kermit Gosnell and the Anti-Abortion Movement's Intelligence Failure - The Atlantic

 

[Removable Mind]

2 witnesses, my man ... 2 witnesses.

When's the trial, my man....when's the trial? Oh, wait....who's getting arrested and for what?

 

[bubbabgone]

When's the trial, my man....when's the trial? Oh, wait....who's getting arrested and for what?

when's the change in Administrations? ... my man.

 

[Removable Mind]

when's the change in Administrations? ... my man.

Bubba, my man, with all due respect, your soothsayer skills aren't as good as you perceive them to be.

I realize that your hatred toward all things related to Obama rules your cognitive processes. But without proof that Obama (or someone very close to him) is involved in preventing a full-blown, intense investigation by the DOJ into possible ongoing criminal acts by an organization, which uses 1/2 billion bucks a year of federal money to operate, then you're simply playing the role of soothsayer.

If PP is in fact the butchers of intact viable fetuses, which are removed from the womb, dissected alive, or even euthanize and dissected for the purpose of trafficking body parts - I will march by your side all the way to the pearly gates of the White House and scream out in harmony "with you" to - "ARREST - PROSECUTE - AND IF FOUND GUILTY - EXECUTE" all those inside PP who knowingly participate.

Will that work for you - "my man"?

 

[Lursa]

Actually Gosnell's clinic was raided on Feb 18, 2010
And his license to practice was suspended 4 days later on Feb. 22, 2010.

It's been about a month and 6 videos and as far as I know the justice dept. has not suspended any license's or closed any PP clinics. Haven't even heard of any investigations by the FBI or the Justice dept.

Please dont muddy the discussion with facts.

 

[bubbabgone]

Bubba, my man, with all due respect, your soothsayer skills aren't as good as you perceive them to be.

(1) I realize that your hatred toward all things related to Obama rules your cognitive processes. But without proof that Obama (or someone very close to him) is involved in preventing a full-blown, intense investigation by the DOJ into possible ongoing criminal acts by an organization, which uses 1/2 billion bucks a year of federal money to operate, then you're simply playing the role of soothsayer.

(2) If PP is in fact the butchers of intact viable fetuses, which are removed from the womb, dissected alive, or even euthanize and dissected for the purpose of trafficking body parts - I will march by your side all the way to the pearly gates of the White House and scream out in harmony "with you" to - "ARREST - PROSECUTE - AND IF FOUND GUILTY - EXECUTE" all those inside PP who knowingly participate.

Will that work for you - "my man"?

(1) yes. Yes I am. And recognized the world over for it too. Well ... maybe not the whole world.
(2) there's no reason you have to wait until someone tells you what to think ... Minnie said she watched all the videos and I posted some of the thoughts of a firmly Left woman writing in VOX who acknowledges there's some truly disturbing things in those unedited videos.

 

[Removable Mind]

(1) yes. Yes I am. And recognized the world over for it too. Well ... maybe not the whole world.
(2) there's no reason you have to wait until someone tells you what to think ... Minnie said she watched all the videos and I posted some of the thoughts of a firmly Left woman writing in VOX who acknowledges there's some truly disturbing things in those unedited videos.

Well, then we'll have to wait for the glorious moment in which some political faction of your liking takes over - and will investigate PP over the actual allegations - or attempt to take down PP simply because they are against abortion (and for no other reason).

Until then you should consider - keeping your day job and abandon your soothsaying job. Magical thinking won't work. It won't advance your cause or beliefs.