State of the Union: Unhappy With Bush

[Stinger]

Apparently Stinger...you see what you want to see.

When I see the left such as Matthews and the NYT bend the truth I call it for what it is.

While I agree that Propoganda is a powerful tool....for you to imply that the Bush Administration is not involved in any propoganda destroys your credibility.

So are you admitting that the left and the MSM does engage in such propaganda?

There is propoganda being spread on all sides of the spectrum....that's why you have to filter out the facts by becoming educated.

Unfortunately for the country the left does a much better job of using propaganda as evidence by the mis-information that is accepted as fact.

When you put your complete blind trust in an administration and accept anything they put out there....you are being misled by propoganda.

And that goes both ways doesn't it and clearly the left is much better at than the Bush administration could ever hope to be.

 

[Roberdorus]

*Breaking News*
The majority of people are unhappy with the Bush administration.

I had no idea...

 

[Iriemon]

Propaganda works. I watch Chris Matthews engage in it all the time. Declaring the Bush administration said Saddam was an imminent threat, that he had a nuclear bomb, claiming that Saddam was not a threat, claiming that Bush lied and people died. And people fall for it. Look at the Cindy Sheehans out there.

I know. Claiming that Bush said Iraq was "imminent threat" when his press secretary usd that term was just outrageous.

Bush only said that Iraq was an "urgent threat." Big difference. Propoganda at its finest.

 

[Stinger]

*Breaking News*
The majority of people are unhappy with the Bush administration.

I had no idea...

But dislike the Dems even more, latest Rasmussen

Check this out, according to Rasmussen Reports:
President Bush's approval rating is at 45%
However.........
Nancy Pelosi's approval rating is at 43%.

 

[Binary_Digit]

But dislike the Democrats even more, latest Rasmussen

Check this out, according to Rasmussen Reports:
President Bush's approval rating is at 45%
However.........
Nancy Pelosi's approval rating is at 43%.

Actually, your own link shows Bush's ratings at 39%, not 45. Bush hasn't enjoyed 45% approval since Dec. '05.

Oops, Pelosi still wins.

 

[Stinger]

Actually, your own link shows Bush's ratings at 39%, not 45. Bush hasn't enjoyed 45% approval since Dec. '05.

Oops, Pelosi still wins.

That was the last head to head, 45 - 43 1/6/07

 

[jfuh]

Propaganda works. I watch Chris Matthews engage in it all the time. Declaring the Bush administration said Saddam was an imminent threat, that he had a nuclear bomb, claiming that Saddam was not a threat, claiming that Bush lied and people died. And people fall for it. Look at the Cindy Sheehans out there.

Is it now your position that Bush did not say Saddam had the bomb or was actively getting the bomb? Is it now your position that Bush did not say Saddam was an imminent threat?

Perhaps this is also propaganda then?

 

[American]

I believe Bush's poll numbers were around 50 early in his presidency (remember, he lost the popular vote) and slowly trending downward, until 9-11 happened and immediately afterwards everyone supported the president. I think it was up to 90% at that time, and has been trending downward ever since.

Clinton never won the major in 92 or 96. So what's your point? He hand the Rep their first House majority in 40 years.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Is it now your position that Bush did not say Saddam had the bomb or was actively getting the bomb? Is it now your position that Bush did not say Saddam was an imminent threat?

Yes he did and so did all 16 members of the U.S. intelligence committee.

 

[BWG]

Let's compare apples to apples. (Speaker to Speaker)

Pelosi @ 43%

Pelosi’s predecessor, Dennis Hastert (R), was viewed favorably by 24% of Americans at the time his party lost control of Congress.

 

[Iriemon]

Clinton never won the major in 92 or 96. So what's your point? He hand the Rep their first House majority in 40 years.

My point was reinforcing the basis why his early polls were in the 50% range, as that was about what he won in the popular vote.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

First off, who is 'Danavik'. I didn't see him mentioned in the article.


I'm sure you can show me where in this thread or article, ANYONE, but you, was comparing GWB's first 10 days to Pelosi's first 10 days. In your apologetic mind maybe. You're not too good at this spin thing are you?

I'm sure if you think real hard, little Buck-a-roo, you can figure out who danavik is. :roll:

Once again, danavik wants us to compare Bush's current poll numbers to Pelosi's current poll numbers. My question is a valid one, regardless of your spin attempt. I know it might sting to have to answer it, but try.

What were the Bush numbers after a similar 10 day honeymoon?

 

[BWG]

I'm sure if you think real hard, little Buck-a-roo, you can figure out who danavik is.

From the one who is always crying about other people attacking someone.
Hypocrisy's a bitch when pointed out, isn't it.
Did you p.m. vauge yet?

Once again, danavik wants us to compare Bush's current poll numbers to Pelosi's current poll numbers.

Your immature references to danarhea only reinforces your troll position here.
I know it's hard for an apologist to understand, but when you're discussing a current situation, it's typically useful to use current facts and figures.

My question is a valid one

I guess it is, if you're curious why the baker is wearing a white shirt and the mechanic is wearing a blue one...LOL...:lol:



By the way, how many folks would you screw if you got to play dress-up and be Bush. Sad.

If I were Bush, I'd let it happen. Screw the folks who have done nothing but hate him for his efforts.

 

[danarhea]

I'm sure if you think real hard, little Buck-a-roo, you can figure out who danavik is. :roll:

Once again, danavik wants us to compare Bush's current poll numbers to Pelosi's current poll numbers. My question is a valid one, regardless of your spin attempt. I know it might sting to have to answer it, but try.

What were the Bush numbers after a similar 10 day honeymoon?

"Danavik" will be more than happy to take your dishonest question. This has nothing to do with how many days in office, but the choices one makes over time while in office. Yes, whether you realize it or not, popularity is driven by choices, not time. Its the way things work in life.

Bush could easily have maintained a high rating by not being reckless or arrogant with his power, and making responsible choices. Every move Bush made in regard to Iraq eroded not only his popularity, but his credibility too. Or are you going to argue that, whoever is in the public spotlight loses approval over time? If you continue to believe this ludicrous argument, you need only look at George Washington's tenure in office, the choices he made, and his resulting approval. Or Lincoln's choices and resulting approval. Or Reagan's choices and resulting approval. On the other hand, Bush made poor choices, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Same thing happened with the last president, Bill Clinton. He also made poor choices, and paid for those choices with his approval rating. Bottom line is that the approval by Americans of the president is a function of the choices one makes as president, and not a function of time. Do you understand yet?

As for Pelosi, she enjoys good numbers at this time because she made good choices as soon as she took up the speaker's gavel and, so far, has kept the promises that she made to get elected, once again, choices. As to how her numbers appear in the future, we will have to wait and see what choices she makes down the road. Only then can we make the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make. Comparisons based only on time, without taking into account the choices one makes are laughable at best, abjectly pathetic at worst, and of course, dishonest.

You know, for someone who claims to be a Conservative, you don't really take the Conservative concept of personal responsibility and the effect of choosing wisely very seriously, do you? But I suppose that is your own choice, and a character flaw you will have to live with, if you choose not to change it.

 

[Stinger]

Is it now your position that Bush did not say Saddam had the bomb or was actively getting the bomb? Is it now your position that Bush did not say Saddam was an imminent threat?

Perhaps this is also propaganda then?

If it is your position that those were not the positions of the Bush administrations then post the evidence that supports your position. And don't post Cheney's misstatement on Hardball which was immediately retracted and has been debunked over and over and don't try to say they "implied"something post the specific statements that support your position.

 

[ptsdkid]

Let's compare apples to apples. (Speaker to Speaker)

Pelosi @ 43%

Pelosi’s predecessor, Dennis Hastert (R), was viewed favorably by 24% of Americans at the time his party lost control of Congress.

***You might want to wait a few days before Pelosi's liberal agenda takes hold, before comparing popularity polls. If her 100 hour (minus the Iraqi war) fiasco incompetent agenda is anything of a clue to her popularity--you would do better to concern yourself with who the Liberals pick as her immediate replacement.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Your immature references to danarhea only reinforces your troll position here.(

Hey, you figured it out. Good job. So let me see, danaviks use of the term is fine, but my use of it is immature? Got it. :roll:

 

[CurrentAffairs]

***You might want to wait a few days before Pelosi's liberal agenda takes hold, before comparing popularity polls. If her 100 hour (minus the Iraqi war) fiasco incompetent agenda is anything of a clue to her popularity--you would do better to concern yourself with who the Liberals pick as her immediate replacement.

Thank you. Exactly the obvious point I was making before the extreme haters spun it into oblivion.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

I guess it is, if you're curious why the baker is wearing a white shirt and the mechanic is wearing a blue one(

The denseness of this remark is beyond words. :lol:

 

[Goobieman]

I’m not sure I caught all of what he proposed for health insurance tax cuts – but I AM sure that while the Dems would be –more- than happy to spend 3x the ‘cost’ of these cuts for a government program that does the same thing, there’s no way in hell they’ll be willing to let people keep their own $ and do it themselves.

 

[Kelzie]

The denseness of this remark is beyond words. :lol:

Moderator's Warning:

Knock it off.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Moderator's Warning:

Knock it off.

It was quite indicitive of what is continually said about me. If you handeled this sort of thing with an even hand, then I'd consider it. In the same words that posters and mods have told me, "I called the remark dense and not the poster." If that's the way it is around here, then there is no warning necessary here.

 

[Kelzie]

Nope, sorry. This is quite indicitive of what is continually said about me. If you handeled this sort of thing with an even hand, then I'd consider it. In the same words that posters and mods have told me, I called the remark dense and not the poster.

Moderator's Warning:

Ummm....I think....yes. And take three days off, on me. Insubordination is not tolerated.

 

[Goobieman]

It was quite indicitive of what is continually said about me. If you handeled this sort of thing with an even hand, then I'd consider it. In the same words that posters and mods have told me, "I called the remark dense and not the poster." If that's the way it is around here, then there is no warning necessary here.

You're right, of course.

 

[Kelzie]

You're right, of course.

Not constructive at all. Unless you want to go the way of CurrentAffairs, I'd advise you review the rules...especially the section on insubordination...and get back on subject. If you have a problem with a mod decision, handle it through PM or start a thread on it in Feedback.