State of the Union: Unhappy With Bush

[danarhea]

"Bush's 33 Percent Approval Rating Lowest Since Nixon for President Entering State of the Union Speech"


For Nixon, it was Watergate. For Bush, it is Iraq. The days of the Bushnevik Neocons is over. The only question is whether the future is to belong to the Democrats, or whether the Republican party can pull off a miracle and restore Conservatism to what once was the party of Ronald Reagan, in time to make a difference in 2008.

Now for the big surprise:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is pulling in 54 percent approval (among men and women equally), with just 25 percent disapproving.

Gingrich was never above 41 percent, despite the good job he was doing.

Article is here.

 

[Iriemon]

"Bush's 33 Percent Approval Rating Lowest Since Nixon for President Entering State of the Union Speech"


For Nixon, it was Watergate. For Bush, it is Iraq. The days of the Bushnevik Neocons is over. The only question is whether the future is to belong to the Democrats, or whether the Republican party can pull off a miracle and restore Conservatism to what once was the party of Ronald Reagan, in time to make a difference in 2008.

Now for the big surprise:

Gingrich was never above 41 percent, despite the good job he was doing.

Article is here.

"Conservativism" from Reagan on regarding economic issues has mainly meant slashing taxes for the wealthier and borrowing the difference, which is why the US Govt debt is approaching $9 trillion.

That was not what I had understood "conservatism" to mean pre-Reagan. It used to have a meaning congruent with fiscal responsibility.

Times and labels change.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is pulling in 54 percent approval (among men and women equally), with just 25 percent disapproving.

And what were the Bush numbers after the first 10 days? :lol:

 

[KidRocks]

And what were the Bush numbers after the first 10 days? :lol:

Yes, and what are they today? :2wave:

LOL... and I love it!

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Yes, and what are they today? :2wave:

LOL... and I love it!

avoiding the question and, more importantly, the reason I asked it.

 

[KidRocks]

avoiding the question and, more importantly, the reason I asked it.

Irrelevant! Simply irrelevant!

 

[jfuh]

And what were the Bush numbers after the first 10 days? :lol:

No idea, why not post a source for it? But then again how is it relevant?

 

[Iriemon]

And what were the Bush numbers after the first 10 days? :lol:

I believe Bush's poll numbers were around 50 early in his presidency (remember, he lost the popular vote) and slowly trending downward, until 9-11 happened and immediately afterwards everyone supported the president. I think it was up to 90% at that time, and has been trending downward ever since.

 

[BWG]

CBS's poll was a little lower

Mr. Bush’s overall approval rating has fallen to just 28 percent, a new low, while more than twice as many (64 percent) disapprove of the way he's handling his job.

Source

 

[danarhea]

CBS's poll was a little lower



Source

Wow. 28%. A new record.

The Bushneviks should realize that, with every cloud, there is a silver lining. Bush has actually beaten Nixon on something. LOL.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Irrelevant! Simply irrelevant!

How so?

Did Danavik cite Bush's current poll numbers? Yes.

Did Danavik cite Pelosi's numbers after her first week and a half as speaker? Yes.

Danavik's original post compares the current Bush numbers to that of Nancy Pelosi's first 10 days on the job.

My question (which you're still avoiding) is exactly relevant.

 

[Iriemon]

Wow. 28%. A new record.

The Bushneviks should realize that, with every cloud, there is a silver lining. Bush has actually beaten Nixon on something. LOL.

What is kind of amazing is that it is that high. You have a president who ignored the known terrorist threat and was on vacation when we were hit on 9-11; took a surplus budget and managed to half again the nation's debt by $3 trillion more (so far) that we will be paying for for decades; and invaded a country by mistake that has cost thousands of lives, hundreds of billions of dollars, and screwed up US foreign policy for years. In just 6 years he has done more damage to the country the previous presidents over the past 60.

Yet 30% of Americans still support him.

I reckon its pretty much the religious right. They don't have to rely on logic for their belief system.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

"Conservativism" from Reagan on regarding economic issues has mainly meant slashing taxes for the wealthier and borrowing the difference, which is why the US Govt debt is approaching $9 trillion.

That was not what I had understood "conservatism" to mean pre-Reagan. It used to have a meaning congruent with fiscal responsibility.

Times and labels change.

I wished people had Barry Goldwater in mind when they used the word conservative. I wish we had more Goldwater politicians these days. Hillary doesn't count, even though she was a Goldwater girl in her youth.

 

[Stinger]

What is kind of amazing is that it is that high. You have a president who ignored the known terrorist threat and was on vacation when we were hit on 9-11; took a surplus budget and managed to half again the nation's debt by $3 trillion more (so far) that we will be paying for for decades; and invaded a country by mistake that has cost thousands of lives, hundreds of billions of dollars, and screwed up US foreign policy for years. In just 6 years he has done more damage to the country the previous presidents over the past 60.

Yet 30% of Americans still support him.

I reckon its pretty much the religious right. They don't have to rely on logic for their belief system.

That people have fallen for the propaganda such as you posted above makes it pretty amazing his numbers aren't lower.

 

[Iriemon]

That people have fallen for the propaganda such as you posted above makes it pretty amazing his numbers aren't lower.

Look, it's one of the 30%.

 

[BWG]

Did Danavik cite Bush's CURRENT poll numbers? Yes.

First off, who is 'Danavik'. I didn't see him mentioned in the article.
Notice the word in red.

Did Danavik cite Pelosi's numbers after her first week and a half as speaker? Yes.

Pelosi's numbers are her CURRENT poll numbers.

Danavik's original post compares the current Bush numbers to that of Nancy Pelosi's first 10 days on the job.

Nope!! Current numbers to current numbers.
I'm sure you can show me where in this thread or article, ANYONE, but you, was comparing GWB's first 10 days to Pelosi's first 10 days.

My question (which you're still avoiding) is exactly relevant.

In your apologetic mind maybe. You're not too good at this spin thing are you?

Look, it's one of the 30%.

:2funny:

 

[Stinger]

Look, it's one of the 30%.

So you admit you fell for the propaganda?

 

[Iriemon]

So you admit you fell for the propaganda?

Heh heh
.....

 

[Stinger]

Let me predict that the left here will oppose everything Bush says tonight but offer no alternatives to anything.

 

[disneydude]

I doubt Bush will fall much lower than 30% because there are always going to be those hard core Bush Apologists who are really only concerned with Bush pursuing their social agenda....as long as Bush does that, they are fine with anything else. However, every time I think Bush can't fall any lower, his ratings drop.
Apologists like Stinger call it Propoganda.....most of America call it facts.

 

[danarhea]

Let me predict that the left here will oppose everything Bush says tonight but offer no alternatives to anything.

Ask Sam Brownback, Olympia Snowe or Chuck Hagel.

 

[Stinger]

Apologists like Stinger call it Propoganda.....most of America call it facts.

Propaganda works. I watch Chris Matthews engage in it all the time. Declaring the Bush administration said Saddam was an imminent threat, that he had a nuclear bomb, claiming that Saddam was not a threat, claiming that Bush lied and people died. And people fall for it. Look at the Cindy Sheehans out there.

 

[disneydude]

Propaganda works. I watch Chris Matthews engage in it all the time. Declaring the Bush administration said Saddam was an imminent threat, that he had a nuclear bomb, claiming that Saddam was not a threat, claiming that Bush lied and people died. And people fall for it. Look at the Cindy Sheehans out there.

Apparently Stinger...you see what you want to see. There have been hundreds of times that the Bush Administration has denied saying things and then been confronted with video/audio clips saying exactly what they denied that they said. I have seen Tim Russert (hardly a liberal) on Meet the Press confront them numerous times.
While I agree that Propoganda is a powerful tool....for you to imply that the Bush Administration is not involved in any propoganda destroys your credibility. There is propoganda being spread on all sides of the spectrum....that's why you have to filter out the facts by becoming educated. When you put your complete blind trust in an administration and accept anything they put out there....you are being misled by propoganda.

 

[reaganburch]

Let me predict that the left here will oppose everything Bush says tonight but offer no alternatives to anything.

Actually Stinger, this is one of the reasons I probably won't even watch the speech tonight. The whole 'bash Bush' no matter what he says thing really gets to me.

Plus, I remember the whole lack of class that some of the Democrats had towards the office of the Presidency during last years speech when they boo'd and jeered the President of the United States. I was sick of it then, I'm even more sick of it now...

I used to enjoy the SOTU speeches, especially during Reagan & Clinton. I don't remember people booing and jeering THEM in the chamber.

I honestly don't understand why he doesn't give that speech somewhere else, like in the Oval Office and say, I'm tired of petty politics and there are things I want to say... use the bully pulpit THAT way...

 

[danarhea]

Propaganda works. I watch Chris Matthews engage in it all the time. Declaring the Bush administration said Saddam was an imminent threat, that he had a nuclear bomb, claiming that Saddam was not a threat, claiming that Bush lied and people died. And people fall for it. Look at the Cindy Sheehans out there.

Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

What part of that don't you understand? Bush said it.