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Star Trek vs. Star Wars

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Hatuey said:
This is blasphemy.
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In real French fashion, good o'll Capt'n turned tail and ran.

I saw an add for some phasers which said "new Starfleet phasers, never fired, only dropped once".
 
He should've used the 'Picard maneuver'. The Death Star would've been destroyed.
 
YouTube - Star Trek + Nine Inch Nails = Closer


I'm only going to list a link here because this one may not be suitable for all audiences, but as far as Star Trek is concerned, this one may be "closer" to the truth than any others.

Star Trek was a groundbreaker in so many ways...........
 
Somewhere...

round these here parts I have a Top Ten why Kirk can kick Picard's azz.

Just did a Star Trek TT recently also.

Look at it like this...


Kirk vs. the entire friggin Empire.

Come on. 2 to 1 on Kirk.

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Do you see Picard knocking the bottom outta that?


another dispute solved by teacher, of the colossal brain.
 
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The Battlestar Galactica > The Death Star and the Enterprise

OT: Jerry your avatar hurts my eyes at every glance, I had to lay down earlier.
 
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I loved how Mr. Worf was making fun of the star wars lasers haha!
 
'I canna change the laws of Physics, Captain... but I can find ye a loophole.'

--Montgomery Scott, Chief Engineer, Starship Enterprise
 
What the hell is wrong with you people? Star Trek vs. Star Wars? The Force vs. Star Fleet Regulations? The Death Star vs. the Enterprise? Kirk vs. Han Solo? And just who in Star Fleet or Klingon drag vs. Darth Vader? Pfft. I guess I have to do this and you know it won't be short...

1) The Force vs. Star Fleet Regulations:

The Result ~ Star Fleet personel try to preach to some Jedi about littering and the Jedi performs a mind trick and makes them pick up their trash.

2) The Death Star vs. the Enterprise:

The Result ~ The Enterprise raises shields and demands that the Death Star place its gear in park. The Enterprise is blown up with a flip of a switch as the Death Star moves on to destroy a planet full of "truffles."

3) Kirk vs. Han Solo:

The Result ~ Kirk tries to knock Solo out by karate chopping him on the back of the neck, but Solo pulls out a blaster (not set on stun) and burns a hole in his chest.

4) Anyone vs. Darth Vader:

The Result ~ Darth Vader chokes them with his mind and cuts their hand off.


Star Trek was truly ground breaking and the fact that it only remained on the air for such a short time sure didn't keep it from blowing up into one of pop cultures greatest beasts. But the fact is that Gene Roddenberry's imagination was limited and his vision was pure fantasy. I mean seriously..."Truffles?" And we all saw the result of trying to make the first Star Trek major motion picture in 1979 after Star Wars hit the Cinema in 1977. The greater imaginations of Star Trek would come later from different minds.

When George Lucas revealed his unlimited imagination to the world in 1977, he benefitted from the population's hunger to see a Science Fiction genre emerge from the foamy fake films of the past. But his film blew away everybody's expectations. Unlike Star Trek, which takes place in the future, Star Wars was historical and reflected on our long ago past in a galaxy far away that many of us were ignorant of. It was quite refreshing to see what our anchient ancestors went through - likewise for the noble characters of Middle Earth. And it was a time where themes were simpler. If you got mad at someone, you pulled out a flashlight and cut their hand off. There was no weak political sentiment that made one side not interfere with another in the interest of not disrupting another civilization's growth like what the futuristic Star Trek portrayed. The good guys and the bad guys were easy to identify. Political depth would be introduced later when his majesty, George Lucas, decided to show us the political history of the Empire.

And the historical figures were easy to relate to. "Evil" held its extreme presence in Darth Vader. "Good" held its extreme presence in Luke Skywalker (even though he was a whiney bastard like his father before him). The definitions were clear. All other figures floated in between, but definately showed leanings towards either side of the spectrum. Life lessons of moral code and conduct personified the story line as we invested ourselves to the screen before us. I mean, c'mon...how many of us wasn't upset when that dirty do-gooder Skywalker blew up Darth Vader's Death Star (it's not like those things were cheap).

We should all be thankful for Geroge Lucas and his determination to educate us of our long lost past. And besides, Star Trek is for nerds.
 
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The Force vs. Q.

With a snap of his fingers: the Force never existed.

The Death Star vs. a Borg Sphere.

Beem drones onto the death star at all levels. A few generations of assimilation nanos later the Death Star turns green.

Han Solo vs. Worf.

Worf pushes a button and beems Han into space.

Hand to hand? Batleth. Nuf said.

Darth Vader vs. Wesley Crusher.

Vader makes his move but before Wesley passes out his conveniently times “school experiment” on bio-cybernetics turns Vader into a disco dancing fool.
 
Jerry said:
The Force vs. Q.

With a snap of his fingers: the Force never existed.

The Death Star vs. a Borg Sphere.

Beem drones onto the death star at all levels. A few generations of assimilation nanos later the Death Star turns green.

Han Solo vs. Worf.

Worf pushes a button and beems Han into space.

Hand to hand? Batleth. Nuf said.

Darth Vader vs. Wesley Crusher.

Vader makes his move but before Wesley passes out his conveniently times “school experiment” on bio-cybernetics turns Vader into a disco dancing fool.
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Damn. I forgot about Q and the Borg.
 
Yeah that Q guy shifts the balance to Star Treks favor......
 
WI Crippler said:
Yeah that Q guy shifts the balance to Star Treks favor......
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Q is the gun-that-can-destroy-anything + the shield-that-can-protect-against-anything all rolled up into one arrogant son of a bitch.....kinda like teacher.
 
Oh please...

GySgt said:
What the hell is wrong with you people? Star Trek vs. Star Wars?
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Here's the deal...

the emporer decides he wants Kirk's ship.

You gonna tell me James Tiberius Kirk is gonna let THAT happen?

Jedi mind tricks are gonna hold sway over Jim's love for The Enterprise?

How many times has some two bit alien tried that one?

(In the voice of Marv Albert). "It's a rockus day here in the galaxy, Darth seemed to have the upper hand over Jim, until he called The Enterprise a "tin can", Jim bounced back and gave him a good ol' fashioned Earth azz whuppin.

Vader is not looking too good. Get McCoy in here. Dr. What's the prognosis?"

Bones: "He's dead Jim".
 
I was always far too cool for star trek
 
After much consideration, and after reading this thread, it occurred to me that I am the only one truly qualified to answer this question. You see, I am both a Jedi Master and have captained my own Constitution-class starship. Now, you are probably wondering, 'But Captain, how is it possible for you to have such important roles in two different universes?' Actually three, including this one. Elementary. I use my self-invented PUS Device. PUS stands for Parallel Universe Shifting. It allows me to shift from one universe to another, at will, having different identities in each. When used in conjunction with my TDD (Temporal Displacement Device), I can pretty much exist anywhere. Now I could explain how these devices operate and are used, but I believe that doing so would cause a catastrophic DP server crash, and make vauge cry. For more information on these devices, read everything ever written on quantum physics, temporal mechanics, and the collected works of Douglas Adams.

Moving right along. One must always remember that for a universe to be great and powerful (and having visited many, I would know), two important criterion must be explored: technology and characters/races.

Let's look at technology, first. When we look at lower level, or hand-to-hand/ground technology, both universes are fairly equal. Phasers or blasters? Pretty even. Star Wars may have a slight edge in mechanized artillery, but remember; in the Star Trek universe, there is far less need for ground combat, so the technology is less developed because it is less needed. When we discuss other, more 'civilized' hand-to-hand combat, Star Wars has the edge. Nothing Star Trek can offer can beat a lightsaber. A lightsaber can also neutralize a phaser, though I've never seen what it could do against a wide-angle disrupter. Interesting thought.

Looking at higher level/starship technology is more interesting. The top level Star Trek starship could take out an Imperial battlecruiser. It might take a couple of shots, but the fact that, with a concentrated effort, numerous tie-fighters could do it, is good evidence that the Enterprise (A-E) would be victorious. Seems to me that deflector shield technology is more advanced in Star Trek. Furthermore, Romulian plasma weapontry would also cause severe damage, though Romulan ships are more suseptable to being damaged when coming out of being cloaked.

This then brings us to The Death Star. How could Star Trek defeat it? Well a look at the construction of the Death Star is important for this analysis. The Death Star is at it's most powerful when it is anchored to a friendly planet, something that severely limits it's ability to be an aggressor. The Death Star II's deflector/defense system was tied to the Endor moon. Without this, it's defenses were no better than the first Death Star's. Though the sheer size of the vessel, it's amount of guns, and it's decent defense system, would make it difficult for even several Star Trek vessels to destroy, a simple solution would be to fire a Genesis Device into the Death Star. 10 minutes later, instead of a near impenetrable battle station, you'd have a planet sprouting daisies. Not very scary.

Sorry, with this rather simple solution, Star Wars loses, though only slightly.

Let's now examine characters/races. A common misnomer is the power of the Jedi mind trick. Though a powerful technique, it doesn't work on the strong-minded. It would never work on Kirk. Powerful as they may be, The Q, despicable as they are, could just think the Jedi out of existence, though it is conceivable that a Jedi as powerful as Yoda (or myself) could use The Force to manipulate midichlorians in such a way as to negate The Q's power. Unlikely but possible. But beyond that, what would the Jedi do with pure energy creatures like the Organians or The Founders? Can't do a force-push, and force-lightning would be useless. It stands to reason that creatures like the Organians can manipulate The Force itself, something even the Jedi can't do. Furthermore, when it comes to standard hand-to-hand combat, who do you want on your side, Clones/droids or Klingons/The Borg/The Dominion? I'd bet on a Klingon, for example, any day.

So, after this rather scholarly report, I must conclude that in a battle of universes, though the 'fan-favorite' would be Star Wars, the winner would be Star Trek. Doesn't mean I'm giving up my lightsaber anytime soon. I can have the best of both worlds.
 
There are books available on how certain facets (and special FX) of both Star Trek and Star Wars violate either the basic laws of physics or the Cosmological Principle. Interesting reading :mrgreen:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
For more information on these devices, read everything ever written on quantum physics, temporal mechanics, and the collected works of Douglas Adams.

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I'm a Holistic detective.

Does that count?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Sorry, with this rather simple solution, Star Wars loses, though only slightly.
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Not so fast.

Star Wars figured out how to make turbo-fan jets and after burners work in space. Star-Wars can also maneuver ships in space without the need of maneuvering jets; and also how to stop a space vessel without retro propulsion.

Can Trek steer a fighter through space with not but fixed rear facing jets? No.

The Enterprise requires inertial dampeners to keep everyone from turning into jelly when the ship goes to Warp. Such compensation is not required for the Hyperdrive. Also, in order to maintenance and operate a Warp drive you need a whole team of specialists. A Hyperdrive? Either your Wooky friend or any standard issue Astro-Droid will do.

What happens when the Warp drive gets sabotaged? Ship go boom.
What happens when the Hyperdrive gets sabotaged? It just doesn't work. Enter Astro-Droid.

So, while Warp may go faster, the Hyperdrive is safer and more economical, so it remains competitive.

Trek has Trans-warp Conduits, but you have to be assimilated to use them freely.

Trek has Slipstream, but you have to be an assimilated species in order to keep it working.

Now I'll give you that the Dreadnaught class Enterprise with it's Warp 13 is just as impressive in its abilities to brake known laws of physics by going faster than infinite speed as War's ability to make Turbofan jets work in space, but your average buyer is looking for a commuter vehicle, just something to get them to the Empyreal office in the next star system and back before the twin suns set.

Only Halliburton InterGalactic needs worry about the big military Warp contracts guaranteed to them by Emperor Bush.

Your average bounty hunter is going to want GM's new Millennium Falcon Super Duty™ (with Hemi® Hyperdrive, full box frame and extra large smuggling compartment), which comes with On-A-Star™ one year free service.
 
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