SSM, You're Either for Equal Rights or You're Not [W:1013]

[AGENT J]

It's not a rite, because no group created a ritual.

It's irrelevant as to gay or straight, which is not a tossup. The fact is that Societies the world over, throughout mankind's history going back to small clans dwelling caves, couldn't give a damn about who chooses to shack up with whom, but really do care when society's future members need to be brought up in a healthy and save fashion, and has promoted stable relationships between heterosexual couples to promote such an environment.

No Society in the history of mankind has any interest in validating what makes gays happy, any more so than they do for stamp collectors, nudists, model ship builders, or anything else people might choose to do, particularly not when gay people go into heat and gratify their intention for mutual sexual gratification without any hope of multiplying.

in the US marriage is in fact a right, SCOTUS disagrees with you, all your arguments fail as they are based on opinion with not support or facts simply prove them wrong.

 

[Lakryte]

It's not a rite, because no group created a ritual.

It's irrelevant as to gay or straight, which is not a tossup. The fact is that Societies the world over, throughout mankind's history going back to small clans dwelling caves, couldn't give a damn about who chooses to shack up with whom, but really do care when society's future members need to be brought up in a healthy and save fashion, and has promoted stable relationships between heterosexual couples to promote such an environment.

No Society in the history of mankind has any interest in validating what makes gays happy, any more so than they do for stamp collectors, nudists, model ship builders, or anything else people might choose to do, particularly not when gay people go into heat and gratify their intention for mutual sexual gratification without any hope of multiplying.

Then fight against single-mothers raising kids--that doesn't fit your ideal model.
Fight against married couples that cannot even have kids--like middle-aged women, infertile couples, or couples after preventive surgery.

Until you do that, you are bigot at worst and a hypocrite at best.

 

[YoungConserv]

No. You're state is backassward. So, of course you get 2/3 of it voting to deny gays their rights. I bet you'd get darn near that number denying blacks, women and Mexicans their rights too. That's why the nations requires 2/3 of all the state legislatures in the country voting a certain way to pull a major due process infringement...unless it involves national security, of course. THen all you need is a presidential decree.

A right is best described "a right is not something that somebody gives you; it is something that nobody can take away" marriage doesn't fall into that category. Also woth out court chalanges there would be 35 states where gay marriage illegal complying with your 2/3 requirment. As for backwards I few states that deny people the tools to complete the right of self defense.

 

[Bonzai]

A right is best described "a right is not something that somebody gives you; it is something that nobody can take away" marriage doesn't fall into that category. Also woth out court chalanges there would be 35 states where gay marriage illegal complying with your 2/3 requirment. As for backwards I few states that deny people the tools to complete the right of self defense.

So , according to your theory, Frodo should have given the ring to Sauron, because 50 billion Orcs can't be wrong, right ?.......................

 

[Jerry]

So , according to your theory, Frodo should have given the ring to Sauron, because 50 billion Orcs can't be wrong, right ?.......................

Actually they should have just flown Frodo to the volcano on those giant eagles, dropped it into the lava from the air and been don with it in a day.

 

[Trip]

in the US marriage is in fact a right, SCOTUS disagrees with you, all your arguments fail as they are based on opinion with not support or facts simply prove them wrong.

Slick. the word "Rite", to which I was responding, originates from the word "ritual", and not "right", and has nothing whatsoever to do with rights.

And while freedom of association is a right, the right to choose whatever partner, and call it marriage, is not a right at all.

 

[winston53660]

Slick. the word "Rite", to which I was responding, originates from the word "ritual", and not "right", and has nothing whatsoever to do with rights.

And while freedom of association is a right, the right to choose whatever partner, and call it marriage, is not a right at all.

Just curious you said you had a Phd. Where is it from?

 

[Trip]

Then fight against single-mothers raising kids--that doesn't fit your ideal model.
Fight against married couples that cannot even have kids--like middle-aged women, infertile couples, or couples after preventive surgery.

Until you do that, you are bigot at worst and a hypocrite at best.

You should learn the meaning of words, and build the logic to wield them, before you swing them about in such an unseemly manner. You might hurt yourself.

 

[winston53660]

You should learn the meaning of words, and build the logic to wield them, before you swing them about in such an unseemly manner. You might hurt yourself.

Like denotation and connotation?

 

[Verthaine]

Slick. the word "Rite", to which I was responding, originates from the word "ritual", and not "right", and has nothing whatsoever to do with rights.

And while freedom of association is a right, the right to choose whatever partner, and call it marriage, is not a right at all.

Freedom of speech is a right. If two gays want to call their relationship a marriage,"that's" on them.
I personally have no problem with it. Doesn't bother me one bit.
Doesn't effect my marriage one bit.
Doesn't effect the way I raised my children.

The question is whether are not they should be allowed to "get married".
I personally have no problem with gays getting married.
I personally know a number of gay couples who have raised wonderful kid.
Hell, I watched my best friend/business partner and his male spouse raise their son Jason since the surrogate mother had him. Jason even dated my middle daughter for a couple of years before he went of to college.

So far I haven't seen one good convincing argument as to why SSM shouldn't be allowed .
Society isn't going crumble because of it.
The sky isn't going to fall because of it.
My marriage isn't going to end because of it.
And it hasn't adversely effected my business
I've never been afraid to admit that I stand to make a lot of money off gay marriages.

SSM nationwide is inevitable.Way too many people are beginning to realize that there are billions of dollars to be made off gay marriages.
In the USA,when money talks,bullcrap has to walk.

 

[Oftencold]

I'm for equal rights.

I want straight men to only be allowed to marry women, and I want gay men to only be allowed to marry women. Equal.

Lack of inclination has nothing to do with denial of rights.

 

[TheNextEra]

I'm for equal rights.

I want straight men to only be allowed to marry women, and I want gay men to only be allowed to marry women. Equal.

Lack of inclination has nothing to do with denial of rights.

And I am for EQUAL rights of a Straight man being allowed to marry someone of the SAME sex or a STRIAGHT woman to be allowed to be married to someone of the SAME sex.

Hence I am for equal rights.

Just think, if SAME Sex marriage is legalized YOU TOO can marry someone of the SAME SEX. THEREFORE you get the SAME rights as a gay person. Why do you hate EQUAL RIGHTS so much?

 

[chromium]

Then fight against single-mothers raising kids--that doesn't fit your ideal model.
Fight against married couples that cannot even have kids--like middle-aged women, infertile couples, or couples after preventive surgery.

Until you do that, you are bigot at worst and a hypocrite at best.

Yeah, this is always my challenge to all the 'think of the children' crowd. Go door to door berating all single mothers for their 'failures' and when you finish with that, go to the local prison and chastise the 'deadbeat dads.' See where that gets you.

 

[Verthaine]

I'm for equal rights.

I want straight men to only be allowed to marry women, and I want gay men to only be allowed to marry women. Equal.

Lack of inclination has nothing to do with denial of rights.

Like I said way back in post#401,it's all about who gets to control who is f****** who.
It's all about what YOU want,isn't it?
It's all about the ego and being able to control others.

You know what I want?
I want gay people to be able to marry to whatever consenting adult they want,and then hire me to cater their rehearsals and weddings,use my banquet halls to get married in,and use my restaurants for the wedding diners and reception.I want gay marriages to make me a multi-millionaire.
You can keep your ego and opinions,I got my own ego,opinions are so dirt cheap they are free to have,and I rather go after the cash.

 

[YoungConserv]

Actually they should have just flown Frodo to the volcano on those giant eagles, dropped it into the lava from the air and been don with it in a day.

This!

 

[Oftencold]

Like I said way back in post#401,it's all about who gets to control who is f****** who.
It's all about what YOU want,isn't it?
It's all about the ego and being able to control others.

You know what I want?
I want gay people to be able to marry to whatever consenting adult they want,and then hire me to cater their rehearsals and weddings,use my banquet halls to get married in,and use my restaurants for the wedding diners and reception.I want gay marriages to make me a multi-millionaire.
You can keep your ego and opinions,I got my own ego,opinions are so dirt cheap they are free to have,and I rather go after the cash.

It's about a fundamental social institution that we have no need to pervert for the benefit of people who choose to engage in a deviant lifestyle but crave the approval of people who do not. You see?

Calls for same sex "marriage" are merely a childish tantrums disguised as enlightenment by the deluded.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It's about a fundamental social institution that we have no need to pervert for the benefit of people who choose to engage in a deviant lifestyle but crave the approval of people who do not. You see?

You don't understand what the word deviant means.

Calls for same sex "marriage" are merely a childish tantrums disguised as enlightenment by the deluded.

Calls against same sex marriage are merely childish temper tantrums disguised as calls for tradition by the bigoted.

See, if I REALLY try, I can sound just as uneducated on this issue as you.

 

[Trip]

Freedom of speech is a right. If two gays want to call their relationship a marriage,"that's" on them.
I personally have no problem with it. Doesn't bother me one bit.
Doesn't effect my marriage one bit.
Doesn't effect the way I raised my children.

Freedom of speech is a right, there is no such right to abuse the plain meaning of words.

You may not be affected by gay marriage, any more than you've a grasp of the term "right", but it does affect society.

The question is whether are not they should be allowed to "get married".
I personally have no problem with gays getting married.
I personally know a number of gay couples who have raised wonderful kid.
Hell, I watched my best friend/business partner and his male spouse raise their son Jason since the surrogate mother had him. Jason even dated my middle daughter for a couple of years before he went of to college.

I have no problem with gays getting married either, although rumor has it that they reject marriage under its terms, and instead want to re-define marriage by their own terms, which is not their authority, nor that of the states, nor the federal government.

I personally know a gay couple, both of whom have a committed relationship to each other, and both of whom reject gay marriage, because it conflicts with their Catholic religion, one of them being a priest.

So far I haven't seen one good convincing argument as to why SSM shouldn't be allowed .
Society isn't going crumble because of it.
The sky isn't going to fall because of it.
My marriage isn't going to end because of it.
And it hasn't adversely effected my business
I've never been afraid to admit that I stand to make a lot of money off gay marriages.

SSM nationwide is inevitable.Way too many people are beginning to realize that there are billions of dollars to be made off gay marriages.
In the USA,when money talks,bullcrap has to walk.

The claim that your definition of society, not crumbling, when your definition of marriage is met, is why this society and this country's founders deliberately prohibited government from engaging Social Engineering, putting it entirely beyond the legitimate authority of the federal government, and nowhere in the legitimate Powers of even state governments. And you're shoveling an awful lot of irrelevant bullcrap.

 

[Oftencold]

You don't understand what the word deviant means.



Calls against same sex marriage are merely childish temper tantrums disguised as calls for tradition by the bigoted.

See, if I REALLY try, I can sound just as uneducated on this issue as you.

But it seems that you cannot sound like someone who is correct.

Oddly, you ascribe bigotry to those defending a tradition that you covet, but would perforce destroy, since marriage is a tradition utterly alien in any significant culture to homosexuality.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

But it seems that you cannot sound like someone who is correct.

Of course I can... and DID.

Oddly, you ascribe bigotry to those defending a tradition that you covet, but would perforce destroy, since marriage is a tradition utterly alien in any significant culture to homosexuality.

Since your assumption of "destroy" is nothing but opinionated conjecture, your comment is irrelevant.

 

[Trip]

Of course I can... and DID.



Since your assumption of "destroy" is nothing but opinionated conjecture, your comment is irrelevant.

Given that marriage derived from natural evolution in societies the world over, across history and disparate cultures,...

... it would seem that a deliberate intent to remake the term marriage in one's own image, which has involved the corruption of Full Faith and Credit clause, corruption of the Equal Protection clause, and corruption of the term 'rights' overall, as well as relying both State and Federal authority dictating the terms of society, deliberate outside of both government's legitimate purview, thereby contradicting the terms of this country itself,

... would necessarily be a deliberately destructive course of action, intending to reconstitute society itself.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Slick. the word "Rite", to which I was responding, originates from the word "ritual", and not "right", and has nothing whatsoever to do with rights.

2.)And while freedom of association is a right, the right to choose whatever partner, and call it marriage, is not a right at all.

1.) my mistake on the first then, i misread and I was wrong
2.) marriage is 100% right, SSM isnt a right nationally yet

also let me know when you have any links to facts that support your other claims that you keep ignoring

 

[YoungConserv]

1.) my mistake on the first then, i misread and I was wrong
2.) marriage is 100% right, SSM isnt a right nationally yet

also let me know when you have any links to facts that support your other claims that you keep ignoring

Again a right is something that no one can take away from you the very fact that you can't get married without our permission makes it not a right.

 

[AGENT J]

Again a right is something that no one can take away from you the very fact that you can't get married without our permission makes it not a right.

and again SCOTUS disagrees with you, sorry. Your opinion on this doesnt matter to the facts.
Marriage is a right.

 

[Verthaine]

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