Spoil the Teacher

[ptsdkid]

The liberal priesthood: spare the rod, spoil the teacher, by Ann Coulter.

The only group in society that must be spoken of in reverential terms at all times, no matter what, is public school teachers. Attack the Boy Scouts, boycott Mel Gibson, put Christ in a jar of urine--but don't dare say anything bad about teachers. Unless you want it noted on your permanent record...We are simultaneously supposed to gasp in awe at teachers' raw dedication and be forced to listen to their incessant caterwauling about how they don't make enough money. Well, which is it? Are they dedicated to teaching or are they in it for the money? After all the carping about how little teachers are paid, if someone enters the teaching profession for the big bucks, aren't they too stupid to be teaching our kids?

Public school teachers are the new priesthood while traditional religion is ridiculed and maligned. As portrayed in the national pulpit of Hollywood, leaders of God-based religions are invariably lying scum. Not since Alfred Hitchcock's I Confess (1953) has Hollywood conceived of a priest or minister who was not a Nazi sympathizer, sexual predator, or some other breed of moral viper. Priests and ministers are smarmy, humorless hypocrites in movies like The People vs Larry Flynt (but the pornographer comes off favorably!), Judgment (child-molesting priest), and The Runner Stumbles (Dick Van Dyke as a hypocritical priest who impregnates a nun). In Sister Act, Whoopi Goldberg is a Reno lounge singer on the lam who shakes up the stogy convent with her fun, upbeat attitude. The late, briefly aired, and little-missed TV show The Book of Daniel was about a drug-dealing daughter, one gay son, and another son who was having sex with his sister-in-law. In other words, it was a typical Hollywood family drama.

By contrast, the moment a teacher walks onto the screen, you know who the hero is going to be. Teachers are Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society, Michelle Pheiffer in Dangerous Minds, Jon Voight in Conrack, Richard Dreyfuss in Mr. Holland's Opus, Kevin Kline in the Emperor's Club, Morgan Freeman in Lean on Me, and Julia Roberts in Mona Lisa Smile. Among the Teacher-as-Saint movies are Goodbye Mr. Chips (three versions); The Blackboard Jungle; Stand and deliver; and on and on and on. There are only two possible plots in movies about teachers: either inspirational teachers bring their passion and dedication to inner-city schools or inspirational teachers bring their passion and dedication to bored suburban kids.

In real life, these taxpayer-supported parasites are inculcating students in the precepts of the SDocialist Party of America--as understood by retarted people. In early 2006, Sean Allen, a student at Overland High School in Colorado, taped his tenth-grade "world geography" teacher Jay Bennish ranting incoherently about Bush for twenty minutes during class. After a brief detour during which Bennish condemned the capitalist system, he proceeded briskly to his main point...George W. Bush is like Hitler!

Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them. Part of Bennish's Socratic dialogue that day included this exchange:

Bennish: Who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?! [sic]

Unidentified student apple-polisher: We are!

Bennish: The United States of America!

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Im not exactly sure what your beef with teachers is. You're pointing out a few bad apples.

Do you really think public schools encourage socialism?

 

[ptsdkid]

Im not exactly sure what your beef with teachers is. You're pointing out a few bad apples.

Do you really think public schools encourage socialism?

***If you were to agree that unions make up the nuts and bolts of pure socialism (as do I)--then the public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership) have been taking it a bit further than just encouraging socialism--they're teaching it! Socialism tries to equalize everyone by discouraging goal orientation and the incentive to strive, or in accepting responsibility. The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.

So no, there are not just a few bad apples...they're all bad. How many of these unionists believe in school vouchers, or in private institutions etc? The answer is none. Liberals do not believe in Capitalism, nor in individual acheivements. So long as the unions have power over our public schools and its funding--our public students are going to continue to lag behind other industrial nations with the scoring and abilities in the 3 r's. Public school systems believe it is more important to teach Johnny to accept and understand the politically correct views of a homosexual marriage over learning how to add 2 + 2, or in learning about our nation's history as it was laid down to us by our forefathers.

 

[Captain America]

There is no question that public education is a form of socialism just as libraries, fire-departments, police departments and free clinics are.

I, too, wonder why ptsdkid has a beef with teachers. By all appearances, it seems he probably has never even met one.



PS.......posting a Coulter opinion is not much different than posting vile porn. We have a rule here about posting profane porn. Shouldn't we have one for Coulter as well?:mrgreen:

 

[ptsdkid]

There is no question that public education is a form of socialism just as libraries, fire-departments, police departments and free clinics are.

I, too, wonder why ptsdkid has a beef with teachers. By all appearances, it seems he probably has never even met one.


***I hope you read my answer as to why I have a problem with public school teachers. Sure wouldn't want you to keep wondering. Just the fact that you keep responding to me with empty rhetoric, makes me believe that you've learned nothing from those wasted years inside of public classrooms.


PS.......posting a Coulter opinion is not much different than posting vile porn. We have a rule here about posting profane porn. Shouldn't we have one for Coulter as well?:mrgreen:

****Better than getting periodic snippets of Coulter's work here from me, I suggest you read her book 'Godless'. Look, I'll even give you a B- for effort in seeking the truth by reading Ann's book. I'll give you an A- if you do so with an open mind (and I do realize an open mind for a liberal) is almost an exercise in futility, thus the A- for an attempt.

 

[Captain America]

****Better than getting periodic snippets of Coulter's work here from me, I suggest you read her book 'Godless'. Look, I'll even give you a B- for effort in seeking the truth by reading Ann's book. I'll give you an A- if you do so with an open mind (and I do realize an open mind for a liberal) is almost an exercise in futility, thus the A- for an attempt.

Off your meds again kid?

 

[ptsdkid]

Off your meds again kid?

***When the doctor's suggested/prescribed Zoloft, Ambien, Trazadone, Busbar, Prozac etc., I said no way...that I'll be going it el naturale. How do you suppose I would be able to teach liberals to become patriotic conservatives..had my mind been distorted with dangerous drug intake? Isn't it the liberals that want to 'liberalize' our drug laws? No, thanks to my independent thinking and clear-headedness--you've been blessed with reading the truth from every one of my postings. I just hope that my continued use of the 'truth' doesn't jeopardize the postings to basement status. You know we have a somewhat fickle liberal moderation staff here...doncha?

 

[Captain America]

***When the doctor's suggested/prescribed Zoloft, Ambien, Trazadone, Busbar, Prozac etc., I said no way...that I'll be going it el naturale. How do you suppose I would be able to teach liberals to become patriotic conservatives..had my mind been distorted with dangerous drug intake? Isn't it the liberals that want to 'liberalize' our drug laws? No, thanks to my independent thinking and clear-headedness--you've been blessed with reading the truth from every one of my postings. I just hope that my continued use of the 'truth' doesn't jeopardize the postings to basement status. You know we have a somewhat fickle liberal moderation staff here...doncha?

All'z I know is there is a reason they suggested those drugs to you. It's obvious. And it's for that reason that I doubt you will be able to teach anybody, anything, anywhere.

 

[hipsterdufus]

The liberal priesthood: spare the rod, spoil the teacher, by Ann Coulter.

The only group in society that must be spoken of in reverential terms at all times, no matter what, is public school teachers. Attack the Boy Scouts, boycott Mel Gibson, put Christ in a jar of urine--but don't dare say anything bad about teachers. Unless you want it noted on your permanent record...We are simultaneously supposed to gasp in awe at teachers' raw dedication and be forced to listen to their incessant caterwauling about how they don't make enough money. Well, which is it? Are they dedicated to teaching or are they in it for the money? After all the carping about how little teachers are paid, if someone enters the teaching profession for the big bucks, aren't they too stupid to be teaching our kids?

Public school teachers are the new priesthood while traditional religion is ridiculed and maligned. As portrayed in the national pulpit of Hollywood, leaders of God-based religions are invariably lying scum. Not since Alfred Hitchcock's I Confess (1953) has Hollywood conceived of a priest or minister who was not a Nazi sympathizer, sexual predator, or some other breed of moral viper. Priests and ministers are smarmy, humorless hypocrites in movies like The People vs Larry Flynt (but the pornographer comes off favorably!), Judgment (child-molesting priest), and The Runner Stumbles (Dick Van Dyke as a hypocritical priest who impregnates a nun). In Sister Act, Whoopi Goldberg is a Reno lounge singer on the lam who shakes up the stogy convent with her fun, upbeat attitude. The late, briefly aired, and little-missed TV show The Book of Daniel was about a drug-dealing daughter, one gay son, and another son who was having sex with his sister-in-law. In other words, it was a typical Hollywood family drama.

By contrast, the moment a teacher walks onto the screen, you know who the hero is going to be. Teachers are Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society, Michelle Pheiffer in Dangerous Minds, Jon Voight in Conrack, Richard Dreyfuss in Mr. Holland's Opus, Kevin Kline in the Emperor's Club, Morgan Freeman in Lean on Me, and Julia Roberts in Mona Lisa Smile. Among the Teacher-as-Saint movies are Goodbye Mr. Chips (three versions); The Blackboard Jungle; Stand and deliver; and on and on and on. There are only two possible plots in movies about teachers: either inspirational teachers bring their passion and dedication to inner-city schools or inspirational teachers bring their passion and dedication to bored suburban kids.

In real life, these taxpayer-supported parasites are inculcating students in the precepts of the SDocialist Party of America--as understood by retarted people. In early 2006, Sean Allen, a student at Overland High School in Colorado, taped his tenth-grade "world geography" teacher Jay Bennish ranting incoherently about Bush for twenty minutes during class. After a brief detour during which Bennish condemned the capitalist system, he proceeded briskly to his main point...George W. Bush is like Hitler!

Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them. Part of Bennish's Socratic dialogue that day included this exchange:

Bennish: Who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?! [sic]

Unidentified student apple-polisher: We are!

Bennish: The United States of America!

This doesn't even warrant a comment.

 

[ptsdkid]

This doesn't even warrant a comment.

***It has been my experience that those not finishing high school will always resort to deflecting or avoiding the truth. Thanks for making that axiom stand.

 

[hipsterdufus]

***It has been my experience that those not finishing high school will always resort to deflecting or avoiding the truth. Thanks for making that axiom stand.

You can always go back and get your GED ptskid. Don't give up.

Here's a link if you want to pursue it.

http://www.passged.com/

 

[BodiSatva]

Originally Posted by ptsdkid
public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership)

Incorrect

Originally Posted by Captain America
There is no question that public education is a form of socialism

I disagree.
There is a difference between socialism and acceptance/understanding.

iginally Posted by ptsdkid
***It has been my experience that those not finishing high school will always resort to deflecting or avoiding the truth.

Apperently you either do not have much experience, or, you are unable to understand the Truth of the experiences that you have had.

Originally Posted by hipsterdufus
This doesn't even warrant a comment.

That IS a comment bro. :lol:

Originally Posted by ptsdkid
The liberal priesthood: spare the rod, spoil the teacher, by Ann Coulter.

...........

Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them. Part of Bennish's Socratic dialogue that day included this exchange:

Bennish: Who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?! [sic]

Unidentified student apple-polisher: We are!

Bennish: The United States of America!

All I can say is, "What a pathetic ignorant b!tch...I pity the moronic idiot that would agree with this crap."

 

[paulmarkj]

As a teacher in the UK I have heard these criticisms before. The situation may be different here, but I doubt it is very different. A few facts, lengthy, I know, but then the criticisms were many:

1) The curriculum is not decided by the teachers, the government decides the curriculum.

2)

Socialism tries to equalize everyone by discouraging goal orientation and the incentive to strive, or in accepting responsibility. The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.

This is wrong on so many levels!

First, teachers must differntiate. If you have every heard teachers talking, the word 'differentiating' comes up a lot! Lessons must be set with all children in mind, from the low achievers to the high achievers.

Schools must identify their top 5% and bottom 5% in each subject and have in place special needs measures. Eg: extra lessons, different tasks. Even within the middle 90% there should be differetiation. So, I may set 3 different tasks for three ability levels plus a different task for top 5% and another of the bottom 5%.

Second, Teachers are duty bound to have high expectations of all pupils. It is the law and we are inspected on this point. Pupils are expected to strive to meet their highest level. But it is a different level for each pupil. A child can only improve his or her knowledge a little at a time, teachers call this scaffoldinf. When you build scaffolding you can build outwards or upwards one floor at a time - if a child is on level 3, his achievement is to get to level 4 - for which he should be encouraged and praised, even if his age group are mostly at level 6. Conversely, a child in the same class at level 8, he would expected to move to level 9.

Third, goal orientation is big in school. Each lesson has a goal, call a target or LO (learning objective) that most pupiks write in their books at the start of the lesson. The work is marked against the LO and many school ask the children to say if they think they reached the LO, as a way of encouraging them to be goal oriented.

2) Teachers work very hard. When I was working full time I start work in school at 7:30 and left a 18:00. And believe me, it was hard work. I then came home and worked: marking about 90 books an evening and prep for the next day (remembering that I may setting 5 different tasks in each lesson). Children's holidays were not teachers holidays. Reports need to be written, monitoring and assessment, research, etc.

3) You quote from a taped conversation a teacher rant. IF he said it, he was wrong, but this is what teachers face EVERY lesson EVERY day: one wrong word (or even one right word) and some pupils and some parents are looking for an excuse to trip you up. Teachers have to be very careful what they say - by the time a child reports back to their parents what you said, the truth may well be lost: let's take a simple case: a child asks: "Does God exist?" If I say yes you can bet your life that atheist parents will complain. If I say no, a Christian family will complain. And that is without thinking about Muslims, Hindus and Pagans (yes, I have had a Pagan family complain that I said something about fictional witches).

4) All children deserve an education. This is government policy, forced on teachers whether they like it or not. But personally, I do agree with it. If you want a great country, a better country, then the way to weed out the layabouts and worthless is to educate them and make them feel worthwhile. You cannot throw them all onto the scrapheap or into prison, but you can help them to do better.

5) Teachers don't do it for the money: I don't know ehere you got the idea that teacher get paid huge sums.

6) If movies and TV use cliches it is a criticism of the directors and writers. In reality it is not at all like Robin Williams or Mr Chips, but constant hard work. Low level disruption wears you down, I don't see this in the films.

In the UK there are about 450,000 teachers. In the US I guess there must be about 2,000,000. Of course there are going to be some bad teachers as there are bad nurses, doctors, judges, policemen, servicemen. If you feel it is your job to weed out the bad ones, then do it, but don't blame the good ones.

As I said, this is a UK view, but I doubt whether teachers in the US have a much different experience.

 

[BodiSatva]

I doubt whether teachers in the US have a much different experience.

It is very much the same.

 

[ptsdkid]

As a teacher in the UK I have heard these criticisms before. The situation may be different here, but I doubt it is very different. A few facts, lengthy, I know, but then the criticisms were many:

1) The curriculum is not decided by the teachers, the government decides the curriculum.

*****Since when does the government decide the curriculum? I can't see the government voting yeah to allow the teachings of alternative sex studies and alternative life styles to trump and often minimize the teaching of the 3 r's. Perhaps they do it in Socialist Europe--but not quite here as of yet. No, its the liberal teacher's unions that make the final decision in what our children learn.

First, teachers must differntiate. If you have every heard teachers talking, the word 'differentiating' comes up a lot! Lessons must be set with all children in mind, from the low achievers to the high achievers.

*****That is total bunk. Here in America, as the dumbing down process continues, so does the outcome based grading system where no student fails so as not to psychologically destroy their will. This is comparable to the liberal affirmative action law that basically guarantees a flunky student a seat at Harvard's freshman class.

Schools must identify their top 5% and bottom 5% in each subject and have in place special needs measures. Eg: extra lessons, different tasks. Even within the middle 90% there should be differetiation. So, I may set 3 different tasks for three ability levels plus a different task for top 5% and another of the bottom 5%.

*****Again, what you say there does not happen here in the U. S. of A. Everyone here as planned by the teacher's unions have unity in grade outcome regardless of their mental deficiencies. Give everyone a chance to become mediocre at best, while protecting the student from competive, aggressive American behavior. Students of today cannot tell you who our first or current president are, but they can tell you all about how Johnny has two moms, and of the sexual escapades of Bill Clinton.

Second, Teachers are duty bound to have high expectations of all pupils. It is the law and we are inspected on this point. Pupils are expected to strive to meet their highest level. But it is a different level for each pupil. A child can only improve his or her knowledge a little at a time, teachers call this scaffoldinf. When you build scaffolding you can build outwards or upwards one floor at a time - if a child is on level 3, his achievement is to get to level 4 - for which he should be encouraged and praised, even if his age group are mostly at level 6. Conversely, a child in the same class at level 8, he would expected to move to level 9.

*****Again, this does not apply here in America. The teachers here only care about themself and the political power they can muster from their liberal union.

Third, goal orientation is big in school. Each lesson has a goal, call a target or LO (learning objective) that most pupiks write in their books at the start of the lesson. The work is marked against the LO and many school ask the children to say if they think they reached the LO, as a way of encouraging them to be goal oriented.

*****Again, total bonk here in the states. How can the students be taught goal orientation if they are trained not to compete, not to excel, and to be happy with mediocrity where everyone becomes a cloned equal?

2) Teachers work very hard. When I was working full time I start work in school at 7:30 and left a 18:00. And believe me, it was hard work. I then came home and worked: marking about 90 books an evening and prep for the next day (remembering that I may setting 5 different tasks in each lesson). Children's holidays were not teachers holidays. Reports need to be written, monitoring and assessment, research, etc.

*****No comment here, other than to say it doesn't matter how hard a teacher prepares for her class and students, if the final outcome is based on holding the child's hand while they're being potty trained.

4) All children deserve an education. This is government policy, forced on teachers whether they like it or not. But personally, I do agree with it. If you want a great country, a better country, then the way to weed out the layabouts and worthless is to educate them and make them feel worthwhile. You cannot throw them all onto the scrapheap or into prison, but you can help them to do better.

*****Yes, all children deserve an education.

5) Teachers don't do it for the money: I don't know ehere you got the idea that teacher get paid huge sums.

*****I never said teachers' do it for the money.


In the UK there are about 450,000 teachers. In the US I guess there must be about 2,000,000. Of course there are going to be some bad teachers as there are bad nurses, doctors, judges, policemen, servicemen. If you feel it is your job to weed out the bad ones, then do it, but don't blame the good ones.

*****Sure there are good teachers, but the curriculum that the union gives them to teach by is terribly flawed.

 

[BodiSatva]

ptskid

What is your experience in the field of Education?

 

[Captain America]

ptskid

What is your experience in the field of Education?

He grad-gee-ated the 6th grade. :mrgreen:

 

[BodiSatva]

Originally Posted by C.A.
He grad-gee-ated the 6th grade.

:shock:

Paulmarkj
The curriculum is not decided by the teachers, the government decides the curriculum.

ptsdkid
*****Since when does the government decide the curriculum? I can't see the government voting yeah to allow the teachings of alternative sex studies and alternative life styles to trump and often minimize the teaching of the 3 r's. Perhaps they do it in Socialist Europe--but not quite here as of yet. No, its the liberal teacher's unions that make the final decision in what our children learn.

ptsdkid
the curriculum that the union gives them to teach by is terribly flawed.

Ptsdkid, I am not sure how you could be so wrong, yet so confident. Is this what others facing you have to endure? The government (The Governor) appoints the State Board of Education, in most if not all, states…here is California’s

State Board of Education
The State Board of Education (SBE) is the governing and policy-making body of the California Department of Education. The SBE sets K-12 education policy in the areas of standards, instructional materials, assessment, and accountability. The SBE adopts textbooks for grades K-8, adopts regulations to implement legislation, and has authority to grant waivers of the Education Code. The SBE has 11 members, appointed by the Governor.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/index.asp

So the government appoints the board and they make the curriculum decisions, NOT the union. I guess it is really easy to blame the union and make teachers out the way you do for whatever your agenda is…but it is incorrect none-the-less.

Do you even understand what it is that unions do?

 

[RightOfCenter]

Although surely smarter than Bennish, not all American teenagers are bright enough to withstand the constant propaganda from authjority figures who are grading them.

Having just graduated high school I've got to tell you ptsdkid, I can't recall one bit of socialist propaganda, heck, some of my teachers were diehard conservatives! Lumping all teachers into one group and demonizing them won't really make a point. I'd be willing to bet large amounts of money that most members of dp share the same political leanings as their parents.

 

[RightOfCenter]

***If you were to agree that unions make up the nuts and bolts of pure socialism (as do I)--then the public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership) have been taking it a bit further than just encouraging socialism--they're teaching it!

100% liberal membership? Do you have a source for that?

***Socialism tries to equalize everyone by discouraging goal orientation and the incentive to strive, or in accepting responsibility. The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.

So honor rolls, valedictorian and saludatorian awards, class ranks and grades aren't goal orientation? I don't know how public schools are run where you come from, but in South Dakota personal responsibility is the one thing that I had drilled into my skull more than any other.

So no, there are not just a few bad apples...they're all bad.

Do you even know any teachers?

Liberals do not believe in Capitalism, nor in individual acheivements.

If you would have said socialists or far left liberals I would have agreed with you on this point.

Public school systems believe it is more important to teach Johnny to accept and understand the politically correct views of a homosexual marriage over learning how to add 2 + 2, or in learning about our nation's history as it was laid down to us by our forefathers.

Again, that is something I never experienced in my high school career. Sorry, but from personal experience I have to call that bull****. But then again I live in a very conservative state so....*shrug*

 

[Paladin]

***If you were to agree that unions make up the nuts and bolts of pure socialism (as do I)--then the public school teacher's union (with 100% liberal membership)

Where did you get this figure? It is an out-and-out lie. Dem/libs don't even make up 50% of either of the two largest teacher unions. (NEA and AFT).

link

* Political leanings. These questions produced some curious results. NEA found that 45 percent of teachers are Democrats, 28 percent are Republicans, and 27 percent have no party affiliation. NEA’s own political surveys, taken after each election cycle, show similar results. But when asked about political philosophy, 56 percent of teachers described themselves as conservative or “tend to be conservative” while only 44 percent said they were liberal or “tend to be liberal.”

The dumbing down of America comes from the mediocre standards set in our public schools by these liberal teacher unionists.

Wrong. I expect my students to excel. I provide opportunities for my students to use the internet. I take my top writers to writing seminars at local colleges and universities. There they compete with other students from public and private schools. If I "dumb down" what I teach, those kids will perform poorly. That is something they don't want.

****they're all bad.

You've had a bad experience with a teacher so you say all teachers are bad? Wow, that would be like me saying all rep/cons are liars. Based on onerep/con saying teacher unions are 100% liberal. Even though I know it's just one rep/con lying.
ted

 

[1069]

In real life, these taxpayer-supported parasites are inculcating students in the precepts of the SDocialist Party of America--as understood by retarted people.

The "SDocialist Party"?

"Retarted people?"

Surely you aren't proposing that Annie the Trannie wrote this subliterate rubbish.

 

[politicomind]

I have plenty to say bad about teachers. One they seem to have taken the job because it was an easy way to make money and they get the whole summer off. Some of the biggest potheads I knew in college are now teachers and I listened to their reasons for becoming teachers.

"I wanted to be a cop, but hey I don't want to get shot, so I'm gonna be a gym teacher instead. Its a good way to keep in shape and its an easy job."

"I wanted to be a writer but no one seems to like my writing so I'm gonna be an English teacher."

"I want to be able to train for tri athlons in the summer so I'm going to be a teacher."

I have even heard this. "I teach first grade, but it's not something I want to do my whole life."

I rarely hear: "I really want to improve children's lives."

My interpretation of school teachers is people who don't have the scrotal strength to actually do something difficult, so they settle for school teacher.

My Cousin who now teaches at my high school: "I wanted to go to MIT but my SAT was only 1270 and I couldn't get it, so I'm just gonna be a shop teacher, until I can find a good steel mill job."

Teacher is what he is settling for, when he realy wants to be a practicing engineer.

My chemistry teacher was the most depressed man on earth because the steel mills closed in 1984 and he never wanted to be a school teacher, but since there were no steel mills and no need for a guy with a chemistry and a metallurgy degree, he started teaching at my school.

The teaching profession attracts two things: people drawn to an easy job, and people who are very liberal.

My college for example was full of professors that hated conservatives and hated the government that we had from 1999 - 2003.

I did extra credit for one teach to make sure that I'd get an A because I was borderline at about 91%. when I handed it to him he said. "I hope everyone doesn't have this idea, then I'll have to read all these papers." He didn't disguise it, he didn't sugar coat. He literally said, I'd just rather not read it. He seems to have only read the last page, because that was the only page that had anything circled or marked. Then give me 10 bonus points and told me my A was safe.

I had a composition teacher that told jokes about his family and told of his family history associated with Fort Bluff. Who the freak cares about Fort F in Bluff. FOR FOURTEEN WEEKS. We didn't do anything. I paid this schmuck two thousand dollars approximately the cost of each class per semester as I estimated to tell me bad jokes and family stories. The only assignment we had was one paper for the final with one page of work cited. I wrote six pages about the way philosophers influenced the formation of America based off of common knowledge that I had from former research and cited general works from memory. It took me three hours. I got 100% in his class for three hours worth of work in three months. Where is the corporate mentality there. If he is suppossed to be preparing me for the corporate world, I think I would get more than three hours of work done in three months. I actually considered leaving the entire school after his class, but instead I wrote an anonymous letter to sixteen department heads, the president and the school paper. That worked.

My assessment of teachers is what teaching is for me, a backdoor in case I really can't make it in life. If I really thought I couldn't become a manager as I did, if I thought I couldn't write investigative journalism as I did, If I couldn't write articles and run my own business, I always said that I would go to school to become a teacher and then just have an easy life for the rest of my life. Just wait for the tenure to set in and then relax. Literally, why do teachers have a freakin tenure. No other job has it. Ok, Joe Montana, you've been a 49 er for ten years, so you can be one for the rest of your life, so long as you don't screw around with any college girls. Okay, Ben Affleck you've been a marginal actor for ten years so you can be an actor with our studio forever no matter how bad you act in your movies.

It wouldn't fly any where else but teaching.

And, teachers are as I said notoriously liberal. Any sign of conservative mentality on a campus is usually shunned and insulted. Conservative organizations on campuses have been attacked by liberal teachers. Kids have been expelled from colleges for simple conservative meetings. Its appalling. Don't ask me to give you references just search google and you'll find a plethora. It's not my job to educate you, educate yourself.

The effort it takes to be a manager 90 out of 100. The effort to be an investigative journalist 85 out of 100. The energy to run your own business 100 out of 100. The effort to write articles and editorials 75 out of 100. In my mind the effort it takes to be a teacher, 30 out of 100. I'd only be repeating what I already know. There's nothing new, no stretching, no experimenting. If I were more of a coward in business, I'd settle to become a teacher.

 

[UtahBill]

I will give the "kid" this, he doesn't mess up very much with his grammar and spelling. But communications skills indicate education, or smarts, and are not the same thing as intelligence. Over my many years, I have met a few very smart people who rant and rave because the rest of us won't pay attention to their strange ideas. I wonder where the kid get his ideas? Surely he read something somewhere, and he can rant about them, so he can read and write, and that indicates that he has met a few good, effective teachers back in his youth.
And I wonder if he realizes that the people who give him his ideas are teaching him. Are those people good teachers?
My wife is a retired teacher, and she will be the first to say that a small percentage of teachers are a detriment to the education process. The good news is that times have changed in some school districts and many of the bad teachers actually get fired.

 

[Alkaline]

Teaching is a difficult as you make it. If you are not motivated to teach, as politicomind clearly is not, you will be a lousy teacher. Because you would prefer to pour your heart into a career in journalism or management does not mean that someone else would not prefer to pour her heart into a career teaching. If you fail a everything else, you will fail at teaching for the reasons you failed everything else. If you fail at teaching, you can always apply your degree to another field.

My father started teaching in a city middle school. He started his teaching career, was compelled to leave through a sequence of events, has worked in sales, owned a small business, and consulted for Fortune 500 companies. He resumed teaching at a high school in Philadelphia.
He is working harder now than he ever has in his life.

There are always exceptions to our rules no matter how hard we try to work in absolutes. I hope that we can agree that being an exceptionally good teacher is just as hard as being an exceptionally good anything else. The problem is how we acknowledge and reward success and how we identify and punish failure in the public school system and in academia.