Quote a little more surrounding it please, but it should be the patient in consultation with the doctor decides. In other words, a patient can decide against some measures to sustain life, which I personally would choose to do. If I am going to die anyway, just make me as comfortable as possible and let me die, don't put me on life support or such.
Quote a little more surrounding it please, but it should be the patient in consultation with the doctor decides. In other words, a patient can decide against some measures to sustain life, which I personally would choose to do. If I am going to die anyway, just make me as comfortable as possible and let me die, don't put me on life support or such.
Nope, one final bill will be passed based upon the three options, and the one that I am hearing most is for the government plan, which has attrocious pitfalls written into it.
There is already a proposal for a federal soda tax to patially fund this bill, furthermore, the bill can state whatever it will, the facts are if the government is paying it can deny payments to whatever it deems appropriate and you cannot sue the federal government for damages. If a doctor deems a surgery necessary it may happen.....when the government clears for said surgery to be paid for, thus, the final decision would be with the fed.
The problem with us laughing about it is that these idiots in Washington are trying to pass this thing off as some kind of miracle plan, a solve-all if you will, and the reality is it is so loaded that it will undoubtedly create more damage than solutions.
The federal soda tax bill has like, zero support and is already basically dead. Obama's lead legal advisor was a guest on NPR yesterday afternoon and admitted that the government option would most likely be dropped in favor of co-ops, as long as the provision to end refusal of coverage for pre-existing conditions was included.
here is where I got it from
Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth
What we can agree on, I hope, is there are a lot of questions....
here is where I got it from
Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth
What we can agree on, I hope, is there are a lot of questions....
Hold me, Redress!
It doesn't stop them from trying and fighting tooth and nail to protect their corporate profits and dividends.
As I said....Healthcare reform is going to pass. Just like you said....ultimately the GOP is too powerless to stop it.
Basically dead isn't dead, and these same representatives had the idea to begin with, that should show us where they are at.The federal soda tax bill has like, zero support and is already basically dead.
Think about it, how many people are going to take the "no pre-existing conditions" option, it's untenable and those thugs know it. That would be like asking me if I'd rather be stabbed in the kidney or have my arm broken.Obama's lead legal advisor was a guest on NPR yesterday afternoon and admitted that the government option would most likely be dropped in favor of co-ops, as long as the provision to end refusal of coverage for pre-existing conditions was included.
Basically dead isn't dead, and these same representatives had the idea to begin with, that should show us where they are at. Think about it, how many people are going to take the "no pre-existing conditions" option, it's untenable and those thugs know it. That would be like asking me if I'd rather be stabbed in the kidney or have my arm broken.
:lol: You'd better hurry. Obama's at 47 percent and plummeting, and 2010 is around the corner.
This could be worse than '94 was for Clinton. :lol:
Actually, as of today he is at 50%, with 42% disapproving and 8% undecided. If the HC plan goes through and people realize it is not what Republicans are painting it, the GOP can kiss their ass goodbye.:2wave:
Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That’s the lowest level of total approval yet recorded. The President’s ratings first fell below 50% just a few weeks ago on July 25. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a rating of -8 percent
Nationally, support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. Just 42% favor the plan while 53% are opposed.
Where do you get your numbers?... CBS?... NBC?... CNBC?... Try a real polling company.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
Do you really think it will pass? :roll:
I'm not a fan of pre-existing conditions, nobody is, insurance companies included, but they exist because of the economic reality of their expense. That doesn't mean that people with a bad health coverage history can't get covered, it just means some extra insurance shopping will be in their future. And again, when professionals in the insurance business cann't get pre existing conditions to affordability what makes you think that a bunch of economically incompetent beaurocrats can? And that fact would cause the states to balk.So you think that people should be denied for pre-existing conditions? Back in the 90's, when Clinton attempted healthcare overhaul, the insurance companies said they were all for getting rid of the pre-existing condition exemptions in insurance, yet after the effort died they never looked back and still will not cover those with pre-existing conditions.
I don't trust gallop, but if they were right, you had better pray for Democrat sanity. It won't be what's promised(never is), they can't get it right(they never do), and the Democrats will take the blame for 100% of the fallout.Actually, as of today he is at 50%, with 42% disapproving and 8% undecided. If the HC plan goes through and people realize it is not what Republicans are painting it, the GOP can kiss their ass goodbye.:2wave:
I'm not a fan of pre-existing conditions, nobody is, insurance companies included, but they exist because of the economic reality of their expense. That doesn't mean that people with a bad health coverage history can't get covered, it just means some extra insurance shopping will be in their future. And again, when professionals in the insurance business cann't get pre existing conditions to affordability what makes you think that a bunch of economically incompetent beaurocrats can? And that fact would cause the states to balk.
I don't trust gallop, but if they were right, you had better pray for Democrat sanity. It won't be what's promised(never is), they can't get it right(they never do), and the Democrats will take the blame for 100% of the fallout.
I'm not a fan of pre-existing conditions, nobody is, insurance companies included, but they exist because of the economic reality of their expense. That doesn't mean that people with a bad health coverage history can't get covered, it just means some extra insurance shopping will be in their future. And again, when professionals in the insurance business cann't get pre existing conditions to affordability what makes you think that a bunch of economically incompetent beaurocrats can? And that fact would cause the states to balk.
I don't trust gallop, but if they were right, you had better pray for Democrat sanity. It won't be what's promised(never is), they can't get it right(they never do), and the Democrats will take the blame for 100% of the fallout.
There is no guess work here tl, socialized medicine hasn't worked yet, the Obama plan is based on the worst parts of the other systems, so when, not it, it fails, it's the Democrats alone going down. I will bring this analogy back out, this proposal is for the Democrats a grenade with the pin pulled.We shall see. And remember, if it is right, we get 100% of the credit.
There is no guess work here tl, socialized medicine hasn't worked yet, the Obama plan is based on the worst parts of the other systems, so when, not it, it fails, it's the Democrats alone going down. I will bring this analogy back out, this proposal is for the Democrats a grenade with the pin pulled.
It's not about my industry, it's about the end of the entitlement mentality, the end of bad government policy(this turd of a bill qualififies), and the end of this damn run Washington is making for power. There is no misleading rhetoric, these idiots on the hill have been saying the things they call misleading information the whole time, and this thing is the exact definition of socialized medicine, in fact, the idiot in the white house said in his own words he wants UHC in his first term, it's pretty cut and dry who the lying side is. The Dems are lying, they are desperate, and they are playing with a grenade, unfortunately we're all in the blast radius. Finally, and no one has answered this question yet. If the government plan is so good, why did the representatives vote an exemption for themselves and supporters and have it written into the bill?Once again, my friend, drop the "talking points," this is not proposed socialized medicine. I do understand you are an insurance man and only want to protect your industry, but please do so without the misleading rhetoric.
It's not about my industry, it's about the end of the entitlement mentality, the end of bad government policy(this turd of a bill qualififies), and the end of this damn run Washington is making for power. There is no misleading rhetoric, these idiots on the hill have been saying the things they call misleading information the whole time, and this thing is the exact definition of socialized medicine, in fact, the idiot in the white house said in his own words he wants UHC in his first term, it's pretty cut and dry who the lying side is. The Dems are lying, they are desperate, and they are playing with a grenade, unfortunately we're all in the blast radius. Finally, and no one has answered this question yet. If the government plan is so good, why did the representatives vote an exemption for themselves and supporters and have it written into the bill?
It's not about my industry, it's about the end of the entitlement mentality, the end of bad government policy(this turd of a bill qualififies), and the end of this damn run Washington is making for power. There is no misleading rhetoric, these idiots on the hill have been saying the things they call misleading information the whole time, and this thing is the exact definition of socialized medicine, in fact, the idiot in the white house said in his own words he wants UHC in his first term, it's pretty cut and dry who the lying side is. The Dems are lying, they are desperate, and they are playing with a grenade, unfortunately we're all in the blast radius. Finally, and no one has answered this question yet. If the government plan is so good, why did the representatives vote an exemption for themselves and supporters and have it written into the bill?
We shall see. And remember, if it is right, we get 100% of the credit.
DEFEND President Obama's Health Care Plan over August Recess! $500+/wk (Capitol Hill)
There is no guess work here tl, socialized medicine hasn't worked yet, the Obama plan is based on the worst parts of the other systems, so when, not it, it fails, it's the Democrats alone going down. I will bring this analogy back out, this proposal is for the Democrats a grenade with the pin pulled.
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