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Specter: Protests not 'representative of America
WASHINGTON – Sen. Arlen Specter said Wednesday he thinks people who have been angrily disrupting town hall meetings on overhauling the health care system are "not necessarily representative of America," but should be heard.
"It's more than health care," said Specter, 79, who earlier this year left the Republican Party and became a Democrat. "I think there is a mood in America of anger with so many people unemployed, with so much bickering in Washington ... with the fear of losing their health care. It all boils over."
Specter and Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat, appeared on a nationally broadcast news show Wednesday, a day after town hall meetings they hosted erupted in the same kind of catcalls, jeers and shouting that has characterized many such forums in recent weeks. "There were a couple of tough moments," McCaskill said of her experience, "but it lasted two hours and there were thousands of people there."
Most Americans Mr. Specter are against the plan. They are more "repesentative of America" than you and your ilk.
53% (many misinformed) does not equal 'Most'
We live in a Republic with democratic elections. What Americas 'want' is represented by the current make-up of the House and the Senate. I want more of a balance and will cast future votes accordingly.
We don't live in a direct democracy--I'm not sure everyone attending these Town Halls understand this.
In what world does 53% not equal "most"?53% (many misinformed) does not equal 'Most'.
The world of people who really want UHC and can't admit that most of us don't.In what world does 53% not equal "most"?
The wacko fringe that are showing up disrupting these meetings are not representative of America. They are representative of the same wacko fringe that Sarah Palin used to attract.
The public overwhelmingly was in favor of healthcare reform until the insurance companies and the right-wing radio nuts began their campaign of distortions (ala...death panels and kill granny).
The right-wing once again has shown that they are very very good at using the politics of fear and distortion to sway that segment of the population that doesn't educate themselves and can be influenced with 10 second sound bites.
We will get healthcare reform....despite the efforts of the insurance corporations. The only question will be whether it will be meaningful change or just a bandaid.
Their anti-health-care-plan position is. That the majority of the majority of Americans that oppose it are not as vocal as these people doesn't change that.The wacko fringe that are showing up disrupting these meetings are not representative of America.
Prove that these things had any effect whatesoever.The public overwhelmingly was in favor of healthcare reform until the insurance companies and the right-wing radio nuts began their campaign of distortions (ala...death panels and kill granny).
Like the left does with global warming or guns or Social Security or any number of other things... right?The right-wing once again has shown that they are very very good at using the politics of fear and distortion to sway that segment of the population that doesn't educate themselves...
Seriously, If you want to save face in regards to attacking town hall citizens making thier voice heard, you should at least be honest:
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.
Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low - Rasmussen Reports
Most Americans Mr. Specter are against the plan. They are more "repesentative of America" than you and your ilk.
"These people have a right to be organized," the senator said on CBS's "The Early Show."
Gotta love when the fringe left resorts to lies and slander as they get desparate.
Obama care is currently less popular than hilary care was. This will not pass. and that is GOOD for America.
Seriously Rev....Do you believe the death panels and Kill Granny B.S?
Seriously.
So 53% of the Rasmussen poll, which is a cross sampling of the United States public is now a fringe? Is that what you want to go on record as stating?The wacko fringe that are showing up disrupting these meetings are not representative of America. They are representative of the same wacko fringe that Sarah Palin used to attract.
No, it wasn't, it UHC never polled over 49% in favor if my memory serves correctly, and if you'd care to read what is happening in countries with plans similar to the one proposed you would see that it is hardly a distortion.The public overwhelmingly was in favor of healthcare reform until the insurance companies and the right-wing radio nuts began their campaign of distortions (ala...death panels and kill granny).
Oh Bull ****! People can read the bill that the house passed for themselves and there exists a ton of gray area that is more than open for the exact abuses your side wants to call distortions.The right-wing once again has shown that they are very very good at using the politics of fear and distortion to sway that segment of the population that doesn't educate themselves and can be influenced with 10 second sound bites.
First off, it's not looking good for the current bill, which isn't reform, if they don't get the bill, which isn't reform by the break, the chances of the non-reform reform bill passing are slim. Also, it is NOT insurance company efforts bringing these people who want reform(not the current bill) to these meetings, it's the politicians mis-representing this effort as "reform" and the lack of real reform bringing these people out, and then calling these same concerned citizens nazis, and a mob is pissing them off, which will pretty much kill the non-reform "reform" bill if it isn't dead already.We will get healthcare reform....despite the efforts of the insurance corporations. The only question will be whether it will be meaningful change or just a bandaid.
53% (many misinformed) does not equal 'Most'.
We live in a Republic with democratic elections. What Americas 'want' is represented by the current make-up of the House and the Senate. I want more of a balance and will cast future votes accordingly.
We don't live in a direct democracy--I'm not sure everyone attending these Town Halls understand this.
Obama Says Grandmother?s Hip Replacement Raises Cost Questions - Bloomberg.com
Oregon health plan covers assisted suicide, not drugs, for cancer patient (if you need another source, just ask)
You tell me. Honestly we don't know what we would get. But to say that what you posted is impossible, I have just proved wrong.
That said, I have cash, I have equity, I will provide for myself no matter what happens. My opposition to this is my love for my country.
Obama said “you just get into some very difficult moral issues” when considering whether “to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill.
From your first link:
Does not say he is setting up death panels or plans to kill granny.
Second link is about Oregon, not the US.
My point is that these claims are fact, my point is, they are not made up or impossible, what I have shown, is that these things are being considered in order to make UHC work.
It's being discussed. so stating that its made up, is in itself, well made up.
Your claims are not fact. There is no death panel, there is not plan to kill granny. If legislation is started in favor of either, then talk about it, but talking about the current plan with those terms is misleading, and intentionally so.
Also, please go back to my first post in this thread. You misrepresented what Spectre said. Please defend it.
So you are saying most people support disrupting town hall meetings? Or did you misunderstand his point? Or, most likely, are you just misrepresenting what he said?
I also noticed you did not include this quote from him:
I can't find the link at the moment, but there was an event where Obama tried to deflect when a guy was talking about his 101 year old parent who got a pacemaker when the second surgeon determined that the person obviously wanted to live, after the first surgeon said the parent was too old. Obama said something that was callous, something to the effect of the parent would need to realize that they were done with life or along those lines.Your claims are not fact. There is no death panel, there is not plan to kill granny. If legislation is started in favor of either, then talk about it, but talking about the current plan with those terms is misleading, and intentionally so.
I recall this incident as well.I can't find the link at the moment, but there was an event where Obama tried to deflect when a guy was talking about his 101 year old parent who got a pacemaker when the second surgeon determined that the person obviously wanted to live, after the first surgeon said the parent was too old. Obama said something that was callous, something to the effect of the parent would need to realize that they were done with life or along those lines.
Should we REALLY trust the government to make these choices?It sounds pretty cold and callous to me.
Never!:shock:Should we REALLY trust the government to make these choices?
REALLY?
:lol: I meant it was fact that it was being discussed, not that Obama or the house is ACTUALLY pushing for it.
We do not know what obama's plan is, he is relying on the house and senate to come up with it... There are some very scary provisions that can lead to some of this nastiness coming true...
Furthermore, my links show, it is on the table, and has happened in the past... That is the point, not that they ARE GOING TO DO IT, but that these things are not impossible like many on the left are claiming.
I did not misrepresent what he said. That is misleading, and intentionally so.
Sen. Arlen Specter said Wednesday he thinks people who have been angrily disrupting town hall meetings on overhauling the health care system are "not necessarily representative of America," but should be heard.
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