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Special counsel appointed in Russia probe

Will he have authority to subpoena the Comey memo and the "tapes"?
In my experience, special counsels investigations are open ended - including investigating into tangential issues.

They can follow paths wherever they lead, whatever interests them, pursuing whatever concerns or illegalities they uncover or their investigations seem to suppose.

These guys are extremely powerful and set their own timeliness and directions. Their investigations are often very long, usually measured in years rather than months. And due to their extreme power and latitude, they tend to be extremely detailed and thorough in their investigation.
 
For those who didn't read Frum's article, keep in mind that it's not a Special Counsel's job to uncover unseemly acts, just illegal ones. So if it's legal, however amoral and reprehensible it may be to the rest of us, a special counsel essentially doesn't see it.

Note that when Comey went out of his way to attack Hillary's character during his testimony, that was a deviation from longstanding principles that private behavior is kept private when no indictment is provided. Comey's defense was based on it being an instance of intense public interest.

It would be unusual for a special prosecutor to comment in such a manner for an investigation into President Trump and his associates, but it would not be unprecedented, and i think we can all agree this qualifies as an instance of intense public interest.
 
60 million Americans being told by the opposition that their votes no longer matter will lead to dire consequences Politically for the Democrats.

I kind of hope the Dems are that stupid

Those 60 million voters, a minority of the 142 million cast, didn't vote for DEMs in the first place. Expect the trump holdouts to take out their ire on the GOP .
 
Already making excuses for when this amounts to nothing I see.

How is that making excuses? Just pointing out that legalities is specifically what a special counsel is all about.
 
It's extraordinary that you think an investigation that will take months, years even, is a political win for Republicans.

It didnt seem to hurt Clinton, so whats the difference ?
Oh thats right, he's a Democrat
 
As we've known for quite some time now, and Fiddy let the cat out of the bag just a second ago...The only result that will satisfy progressive, liberal, democrats is that the entire Trump administration is swept out, and a new election held....Not going to happen, but that is their goal.

Untrue. There is no mechanism in the constitution for a new election to be held.

That's why we have an order of succession.
 
Now we need one for Trump's leaning on Comey. Hopefully.

The SP can go where he wants to. Recall Cliton Whitewater, that led to Lewinsky and the impeachment proceedings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Independent counsel investigation

The charges arose from an investigation by Ken Starr, an Independent Counsel. Originally dealing with the failed land deal years earlier known as Whitewater, Starr, with the approval of United States Attorney General Janet Reno, conducted a wide-ranging investigation of alleged abuses, including the firing of White House travel agents, the alleged misuse of FBI files, and Bill Clinton's conduct during the sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a former Arkansas government employee, Paula Jones. In the course of the investigation, Linda Tripp provided Starr with taped phone conversations in which Monica Lewinsky, a former White House Intern, discussed having performed fellatio on Clinton. At the deposition, the judge rejected the plaintiff's lawyer's definition of the term "sexual relations"[3][4] that Clinton claims to have construed to mean only vaginal intercourse. Judge Wright then told the attorneys they could be as explicit as necessary in asking their questions.

A much-quoted statement from Clinton's grand jury testimony showed him questioning the precise use of the word "is". Contending that his statement that "there's nothing going on between us" had been truthful because he had no ongoing relationship with Lewinsky at the time he was questioned, Clinton said, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement".[5] Starr obtained further evidence of inappropriate behavior by seizing the computer hard drive and email records of Monica Lewinsky. Based on the president's conflicting testimony, Starr concluded that Clinton had committed perjury. Starr submitted his findings to Congress in a lengthy document (the so-called Starr Report), and simultaneously posted the report on the internet, replete with lurid descriptions of encounters between Clinton and Lewinsky.[6] Starr was criticized by Democrats for spending $70 million on an investigation that substantiated only perjury and obstruction of justice.[7] Critics of Starr also contend that his investigation was highly politicized because it regularly leaked tidbits of information to the press in violation of legal ethics, and because his report included lengthy descriptions which were humiliating yet irrelevant to the legal case.[8][9]
January 1998 press conference

Remarks including response to Monica Lewinsky scandal (January 26, 1998)
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Bill Clinton making a presentation that ends with a short commentary on the Monica Lewinsky scandal. The presentation is known for the quote "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." (6:22)
Remarks including response to Monica Lewinsky scandal (January 26, 1998)
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After rumors of the scandal reached the news, Clinton publicly stated, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." In his Paula Jones deposition, he swore, "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her."[10] Months later, Clinton admitted that his relationship with Lewinsky was "wrong" and "not appropriate." Lewinsky engaged in oral sex with Clinton several times.[11][12]
So in the words of this song regarding where the SP can go, by 1 of the greatest C&W singers ever.

 
My same reply to you as I gave to the other trump hater.

We are just repeating ourselves and gettting nowhere

We don't hate trump, we feel sorry for and are scared for our Nation .
 
Question:
If this leads to Trump stepping down will the Democrats be satisfied ?

Or will they contend that Trumps entire admin is corrupted and a new election should take place ?

I don't know if they'd be satisfied, but we don't really have a process for a special election. There's just a line of succession.
 
Mueller seems fine, but I'm uncertain. The entire past year has been nothing but a tedious, uninterrupted American civics and legal lesson. Most people only understand how an Independent Counsel works in only the most general sense, and we're all in for a very...very...steep learning curve. I'm also nervous about the fact that an independent counsel is appointed by the Justice Department, which is answerable to the President.

In my mind, people should temper their celebrations until we learn more.

And has the power to lay criminal charges. I do not see the JD or the WH shutting this down.
 
It didnt seem to hurt Clinton, so whats the difference ?
Oh thats right, he's a Democrat

Still Clinton, Fenton? How about Pence/Kasich ?
 
We don't hate trump, we feel sorry for and are scared for our Nation .

I believe you do hate trump

And the only America liberals care about is one that gives them everything they want.
 

can you imagine how crazy these people are going to go when he finds nothing just
as almost ever agency has said so far?
 
Those 60 million voters, a minority of the 142 million cast, didn't vote for DEMs in the first place. Expect the trump holdouts to take out their ire on the GOP .

Lol....theyre the reason the GOP has the House and Senate and Trump won the WH.
Theyre the reason the Dems lost 14 Governors and over 900 State legislator seats and now have to turn to people like Tom Perez for leadership

Go ahead, keep marginalizing them, but I can tell you from first hand experience, the ones I know arent too happy with the Media and the Democrats attempt to undermine Trump and by extension their votes

They saw Hillary walk, and now this, so keep pretedimg there will be no consequences Politically for the Democrats
 
Score one for the Evil Empire.

This is a real setback for the trump revolution

There was no 'Trump Revolution'. There were only people who were suckered by a gasbag con artist and sideshow barker and put him into a job he was utterly unfit for.

Score one for people who give a damn about the Republic.
There was no 'revolution'!

You guys enabled a coup d'etat by the Billionaire & Corporate class.

You got suckered. Sorry to say.
 
Question:
If this leads to Trump stepping down will the Democrats be satisfied ?

Or will they contend that Trumps entire admin is corrupted and a new election should take place ?

That will depend upon what is found.
 
The market did take off after trump was elected and because he was elected.

I gather that if liberals have to credit trump for a good economy they would rather have a recession

The DJ market has gained 1,247 points since 1/20/17. It lost 30% of it today. She a connection to the special counsel ?
 
Question:
If this leads to Trump stepping down will the Democrats be satisfied ?

Or will they contend that Trumps entire admin is corrupted and a new election should take place ?

A few possible scenarios:

1)Trump steps down early, sparing the country from a drawn-out investigation. Regular line of succession is likely to occur.
2)Trump is found innocent. Nothing happens.
3)The Trump campaign is found to be guilty of collusion with Russian interference in our election. At that point an argument could be made for a new election. It's hard to imagine a new election happening, though. That said, we have no precedent for where we are.
 
Hmm... there is the slight matter of possible financial crimes that could very well involved Trump and a lot of his associates.

If that proves to be the case, just stepping down likely won't be an option.

An intel operative already predicted "he will die in jail."
 
Still Clinton, Fenton? How about Pence/Kasich ?

Oh thats right, we're not allowed to draw obvious parralels to past Presidents and investigations.

I would be very happy with Pence as President, but i know the Dems wont stop there.

They'll attack him and the GOP because the REAL reason theyre so outraged over Trump has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with stopping his agenda.
 
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