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Speaker Mike Johnson Forced To Start Congress' August Recess Early To Avoid Vote On The Epstein Files.....None Of This Is Going To End Well For Trump

Whatever dude. I suppose life is super easy to go through life by claiming to have values and then dropping them whenever you find they are inconvenient, eh?


I think you are deflecting because you know I am right, and Epstein might as well be the ultimate proof that so-called ''small government'' ideology is just a get-out-of-jail-free card for the wealthy.
You really have no idea what conservatives mean when they talk about small government. It doesn’t mean no government, and the Epstein case couldn’t be farther from a litmus test on a debate between smaller and larger government.
 
You really have no idea what conservatives mean when they talk about small government. It doesn’t mean no government, and the Epstein case couldn’t be farther from a litmus test on a debate between smaller and larger government.

Conservatives say money is free speech, so by that metric, Epstein using money to get a slap on the wrist is fine. Why didn't Alex Acosta throw the book at Epstein in 2008? Because Epstein used his "free speech" money to get a slap on the wrist.
 
We are in agreement. You’ve misread my post.
No, I didn't. You said there was very little evidence. Bullshit. Inciting a violent mob was only one part of Trump's crimes on Jan 6.

Biden not only interfered with his DOJ’s investigation of his son, he interfered with all future DOJs for all time. Do you really not know that?
Show your work. That's all I can say. You're doing nothing but trolling right now.

It’s not a question of want.
In your case? Definitely.
 
Conservatives say money is free speech
No, we don't. But we do say you can't impinge on free speech by prohibiting funded speech.

Our system of government protects my right to say to you that "Donald Trump is a fathead." Knowing that, it would be ridiculous to allow the federal government to fine or imprison me for saying it to many people by paying for a full page ad in the Boston Globe that reads "Donald Trump is a fathead."
 
No, I didn't. You said there was very little evidence. Bullshit. Inciting a violent mob was only one part of Trump's crimes on Jan 6.
Yes, you missed my point. I agree every last person who crossed into the Capitol that day should have served jail time. It is also true that proving a criminal charge of incitement would have been extremely difficult. That said, and because it's a political process and not a legal one, had I been in the Senate during the vote after Trump's second impeachment I would have voted guilty.

Show your work. That's all I can say. You're doing nothing but trolling right now.
Sure, here's the "work," and I'll deliver it through the Socratic method. True or false, for no other reason than Joe Biden's actions, were credible evidence discovered tomorrow that Hunter Biden likely committed a serious crime in, say, 2019, it would be impossible for the federal government to successfully prosecute him?

In your case? Definitely.
Answer the above honestly, and we'll see who's putting their wants over facts and reason.
 
You really have no idea what conservatives mean when they talk about small government. It doesn’t mean no government, and the Epstein case couldn’t be farther from a litmus test on a debate between smaller and larger government.
What it means is adding trillions of dollars to the US debt.
 
No, we don't. But we do say you can't impinge on free speech by prohibiting funded speech.

Our system of government protects my right to say to you that "Donald Trump is a fathead." Knowing that, it would be ridiculous to allow the federal government to fine or imprison me for saying it to many people by paying for a full page ad in the Boston Globe that reads "Donald Trump is a fathead."

Really, then what was "Citizens United" about then? Didn't that equate money with free speech?

Why didn't Alex Acosta throw the book at Epstein in 2008? Do you think if Epstein was poor he wouldn't have had the book thrown at him?

Conservatives claim business leaders are "over regulated", meanwhile the US government will give a wealthy pimp who is trafficking underage girls a slap on the wrist. Sounds like the wealthy can get away with murder in the US, sounds like they need more rules, not less.
 
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Really, then what was "Citizens United" about then? Didn't that equate money with free speech?

If you think that's what CU is about, you're wrong. It's about protecting the First Amendment rights of people who wish to speak as a group. The means unions, charities, political action groups, and even corporations.
 
If you think that's what CU is about, you're wrong. It's about protecting the First Amendment rights of people who wish to speak as a group. The means unions, charities, political action groups, and even corporations.

Really, so Epstein using money to influence the government and get a sweetheart deal was not free speech? If you are going to say no, it wasn't, then why? Why couldn't Epstein use free speech money, in terms of campaign donations, to get a lesser sentence than he deserved? If the government threw the book at him in 2008, this would have never became an issue.
 
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Yes, you missed my point. I agree every last person who crossed into the Capitol that day should have served jail time. It is also true that proving a criminal charge of incitement would have been extremely difficult. That said, and because it's a political process and not a legal one, had I been in the Senate during the vote after Trump's second impeachment I would have voted guilty.
You're ignoring the easiest part of the Jan 6 case to prove -- John Eastman's fake elector scheme and Trump's eager willingness to go along with it.

Sure, here's the "work," and I'll deliver it through the Socratic method. True or false, for no other reason than Joe Biden's actions, were credible evidence discovered tomorrow that Hunter Biden likely committed a serious crime in, say, 2019, it would be impossible for the federal government to successfully prosecute him?
Why would it be impossible? And who cares? This false equivalence between Biden's "corruption" and Trump's corruption are just ridiculous. And no serious person even brings it up.

Biden allowed his DOJ to charge and prosecute his son. Something Trump would never allow in a million years. Again, this is simply a stupid, irrelevant discussion.

Answer the above honestly, and we'll see who's putting their wants over facts and reason.
I just did....far more honestly than you are capable of.

Let me know when you finally troll one of VySky's countless lying, moronic threads, instead of always trolling liberals. Then you can talk about "honesty".
 
Just a couple of swing dix having fun with 13-year-olds.

 
Really, so Epstein using money to influence the government and get a sweetheart deal was not free speech? If you are going to say no, it wasn't, then why? Why couldn't Epstein use free speech money, in terms of campaign donations, to get a lesser sentence than he deserved? If the government threw the book at him in 2008, this would have never became an issue.
Epstein has nothing to do with this. The federal government cannot silence groups of people any more that it can silence an individual.
 
Why would it be impossible? And who cares?
Well, for starters, you care. You're the one who brought up Biden claiming he never interfered with the justice system.

As for your first question, it will be answered when you answer mine. Can the DOJ prosecute Hunter Biden for a crime they may come to believe he committed at any time over the previous 10 years? It's a yes or no question.
 
Well, for starters, you care. You're the one who brought up Biden claiming he never interfered with the justice system.
Because he didn't. He has right to protect his son from the deranged Trump. Stop pretending that wasn't a factor in Biden's decision.

As for your first question, it will be answered when you answer mine. Can the DOJ prosecute Hunter Biden for a crime they may come to believe he committed at any time over the previous 10 years? It's a yes or no question.
It's a boring irrelevant hypothetical question....as you try, again, to normalize Trump's behavior.
 
Epstein has nothing to do with this. The federal government cannot silence groups of people any more that it can silence an individual.

Sure it does. Epstein used his wealth to influence the government; how is that different from corporations using their wealth to influence the government after Citizens United?
 
If you think that's what CU is about, you're wrong. It's about protecting the First Amendment rights of people who wish to speak as a group. The means unions, charities, political action groups, and even corporations.
That might have been what they claimed the goal was, but the result was essentially legalizing unlimited anonymous donations from businesses who have wildly more resources than the other groups you mention.
 
I support our House Speaker and our President. I will not support another impeachment.
 
Because he didn't. He has right to protect his son from the deranged Trump. Stop pretending that wasn't a factor in Biden's decision.


It's a boring irrelevant hypothetical question....as you try, again, to normalize Trump's behavior.
No, I'm demonstrating you're unaware of the fact that Biden acted to interfere with all current and all future investigations of Hunter Biden.
 
Sure it does. Epstein used his wealth to influence the government; how is that different from corporations using their wealth to influence the government after Citizens United?
Did Epstein not have first amendment rights?
 
Did Epstein not have first amendment rights?

Sure, but those rights shouldn't include being able to use his wealth to influence the government to get a slap on the wrist for sex trafficking. That should be obvious.
 
Sure, but those rights shouldn't include being able to use his wealth to influence the government to get a slap on the wrist for sex trafficking. That should be obvious.
If your assertion is true, then the problem is someone, or some people, in the justice system who accepted a bribe. The problem you're describing is not a consequence of there being too much freedom of speech.
 
If your assertion is true, then the problem is someone, or some people, in the justice system who accepted a bribe. The problem you're describing is not a consequence of there being too much freedom of speech.

If Epstein didn't directly bribe anyone, but gave campaign contributions and the law makers just decided to give him a slap on the wrist in response, is that different from what Citizens United did for corporations? If a corporation wants to dump toxic waste in a river and after giving a bunch of campaign contributions, law makers allow them to do it, is that not legal bribery?

 
If Epstein didn't directly bribe anyone, but gave campaign contributions and the law makers just decided to give him a slap on the wrist in response, is that different from what Citizens United did for corporations? If a corporation wants to dump toxic waste in a river and after giving a bunch of campaign contributions, law makers allow them to do it, is that not legal bribery?

And you think silencing other groups of people will help?
 
And you think silencing other groups of people will help?

What does that have to do anything I have said? I don't think corporations should be allowed to use campaign contributions to influence the government and I don't think free speech should be tied money, especially in terms of campaign contributions. I don't see how this is unreasonable. The Average person doesn't have the ability to influence the government the way the wealthy do in the current system, this is why.you get stuff like a slap on the wrist for Epstein in 2008.
 
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