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Here's the thing though. All the good principled liberals are essentially hiding behind a loophole in the law here, that effectively you're almost completely free to libel famous people because its harder to prove you actually did it.
That doesn't change the actual facts of the matter from a definition, rather than legal, stand point in which the main argument most were using against Limbaugh since it was leaked he was part of the group ("He's a racist") was based on extremely poorly sourced, questionable quotes that were either 100% false or stated without context.
So what you're basically saying is its completely fine to take extremely questionable factual information about famous people and contextless statements from them and foment rage within a population to screw them out of business ventures because they have less protection under the law.
Sharpton threatens suit against Limbaugh
Posted: October 17th, 2009 01:08 PM ET
(snip ... ) In the op-ed published in Saturday's Wall Street Journal Limbaugh writes Sharpton "played a leading role in the 1991 Crown Heights riot (he called neighborhood Jews ‘diamond merchants’) and 1995 Freddie's Fashion Mart riot."
The Crown Heights riot began after a Hasidic Rabbi accidently struck and killed an African American boy with his car. The boy died from the injuries–sparking four nights of riots. The Rabbi was not charged, but Sharpton played a large role in rallying on behalf of the young boy’s family and the African American community.
According to a statement put out by Sharpton’s media consultant, a study New York Governor Mario Cuomo commissioned showed Sharpton was not involved in the Crown Heights incident until after the rioting concluded.
more ...
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Sharpton threatens suit against Limbaugh - Blogs from CNN.com
Looks like Limbaugh left extremely questionable behind and went for straight up lying in an op-ed he wrote about Sharpton:
Actually, no.
Limbaugh went from crazy implication that Sharpton "Played a leading role" in regards to those things is an opinion, much like the opinion people presented that Rush Limbaugh is a rcaist
Now, for this to be comparable, we'd need to know if the quote Limbaugh attributed to Sharpton was:
1. Made up or factual
2. What the context of it was
Not to mention is that there is no question of any legitimate "harm" that has came to Sharpton regarding these comments, where a case could legitimately be potentially made for Rush.
But golly, surprises of all surprises, when the constant crying and whining about the legal definition of things wouldn't benefit your argument suddenly you're silent on it. Really. I'm truly shocked. Honestly.
However, your entire little premise is laughable and shows your bias throughout all of this, continuing still to act as if the things said about Limbaugh are simply "highly questionable" and not straight up lying in regards to the statements falsely associated with him.
Looks like Limbaugh left extremely questionable behind and went for straight up lying in an op-ed he wrote about Sharpton:
Sorry, no. You left a word off Limbaugh's quote - riot. Sharpton did not play a leading role or any role in the riot; he didn't get involved at all until after the riot ended, according to the article.
The legal definition, if this article is correct, fits quite nicely and Limbaugh will lose the lawsuit, should it be filed.
Limbaugh whines about being libeled and defamed, and turns around and does it himself. Standup dood :thumbs:
His role was what was stated, he did indeed make the comment that the jews were ‘diamond merchants’. I would love for Sharpton to sue, but we all know he will never do that, as he would open his own self up to thorough review.
Sharpton would have to prove actual malice . . . remember?
Making definitive statements about the outcome of potential lawsuits -- not smart.
Apparently not. I couldn't find a primary copy of the Girgenti Commission report Sharpton cites which supposedly exonerates him, but this book was written using it, and cites it -- and it paints rather a different picture of Sharpton's involvement during the riots than what Sharpton would have you believe.
Crown Heights: Blacks, Jews, and the ... - Google Books
Click on the page 38 link and start reading on page 36.
Because you couldn't find a paper doesn't mean it doesn't exist; and you're quite right, the burden of proof would be on Sharpton. He asserts he has that proof.
As to my making definitive statements about the article, I did not. I said 'looks like' and 'according to the article' and other such language.
The legal definition, if this article is correct, fits quite nicely and Limbaugh will lose the lawsuit, should it be filed.
SWEET CHRIST, do you ever read anything I write? Seriously, ever? Do you?
To be honest, not often, and it is quite the rare occasion when I'll do more than scan, never mind read the whole thing.
Then thank you for confirming there's zero point in bothering with you.
Actually, as has been discussed in this thread, the actual burden of proof is higher on cases involving media reporting on public figures. It is lower on private citizens. With respect to public figures, malice must be proved, in addition to the statments being false, and the media company knowing it was false or having reckless disregard for the truth.
This higher burden of proof was imposed by the Supreme Court in a separate case than the one that imposed the burden of proof on the plaintiff.
lol Rush is a private citizen not a public official.
He has attorneys, I'm sure they know what they are doing.He is neither a private citizen, nor a public official, he is a public figure with respect to the law. As such, there are special rules w/ regard to slander and libel, which mean that he has higher hurdles to jump with regard to burden of proof.
He has attorneys, I'm sure they know what they are doing.
Because people were bitching so much that the NFL didn't want to get involved. It's all the same crap. He's a racist, he's this he's that. But that's all the people that don't like him. They misconstrued what he had said, misrepresented his character, to have a real business and financial result against the man. Last I checked, that was illegal. But I guess it's ok if people merely of the opinion of Rush as something, but no proof there of, run their mouths.
I find it a sad state when based on political disposition, a large number of people would smear someone so much as to prevent their ability to engage in business.
Looks like Limbaugh left extremely questionable behind and went for straight up lying in an op-ed he wrote about Sharpton:
Sorry, no. You left a word off Limbaugh's quote - riot. Sharpton did not play a leading role or any role in the riot; he didn't get involved at all until after the riot ended, according to the article.
The legal definition, if this article is correct, fits quite nicely and Limbaugh will lose the lawsuit, should it be filed.
Limbaugh whines about being libeled and defamed, and turns around and does it himself. Standup dood :thumbs:
and ps, the article and potential lawsuit are not about a Sharpton quote at all; they are about Limbaugh statements about Sharpton's actions.
Your kidding right? The minute after Gavin Gato was killed sharpton started flaming the fires.
Sharpton, who arranged a rally in Crown Heights after Cato's death,[42] has been seen by some commentators as inflaming tensions by making remarks that included "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house"[
Al Sharpton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The funny thing here is that people are trying to defend Al Sharpton, a man who says the white race is his "mortal enemy" is not racist. The same people try to say Rush Limbaugh is racist even though he has said or done nothing even remotly close to being such.
People disparage Rush and defending Sharpton are sickening.
No... That level of blind ignorance is sickening.
Limbaugh is a racist. An uneducated fat elitist who appeals to uneducated, thoughtless, masses of disenfranchised rubes...
Yes, the size of his listening audience is sickening.
No... That level of blind ignorance is sickening.
Limbaugh is a racist. An uneducated fat elitist who appeals to uneducated, thoughtless, masses of disenfranchised rubes...
Yes, the size of his listening audience is sickening.
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