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Sorry, but we can't have "unity" with right wingers

AtlantaAdonis

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All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.
 
Challenge: can anyone find a quote of Biden even using the phrase "radical right"? Or is every mention of the right about unity, and his condemnations only for the actions without mentioning they are right-wing?
 
Challenge: can anyone find a quote of Biden even using the phrase "radical right"? Or is every mention of the right about unity, and his condemnations only for the actions without mentioning they are right-wing?

Good point. We can never have perfect unity. We are not a hive mind species. But if 70% of us can march in a common direction, that leaves us in a far better place than 52% fighting the other 48%, with only 4% "free" to move us forward. This would be the pragmatic interpretation of Biden's call. Getting on board the nut jobs who believe Hillary stole the vote with baby cannibalism pedophilia powers isn't necessary, no more than getting the hard-left nuts who really do want the U.S. to be a pure communist utopia. The good news is that I bet even without any of those nut jobs, you could still rally 70% of the country to believe in a common set of goals.
 
Good point. We can never have perfect unity. We are not a hive mind species. But if 70% of us can march in a common direction, that leave us in a far better place than 52% fighting the other 48%, with only 4% "free" to move us forward.

I agree; but if Lincoln gives a speech in the middle of the civil war saying 'hey guys, this is nasty, if we all just agree on unity and go the same direction we'll do better, what do you say?', it would be a pretty futile gesture. I'm comparing current conflicts to the civil war, but just noting that telling half the country against you 'hey if you reverse direction and join us we'll have unity and unity is great' is pretty hollow.

It reminds me a little of how Obama was doomed to failure at 'cooperation' with Republicans and only obstructed.

He seemed to think if he could just be polite enough, just praise bi-partisanship enough, just be reasonable and compromise enough, they would join him in his idea of good, bi-partisan government, not understanding they were simply at war with him, determined to block him simply to deny him any accomplishment, as was made clear in their several month denying him a Supreme Court appointment.

No matter what Republicans did that was outrageously against the country and a power grab, Obama wouldn't say much against them - that might make them less willing to cooperate.

Again and again he and the American people paid a price. He worsened the ACA for months giving them changes they asked for - in exchange for zero votes. Biden's chanting 'unity' might have some appeal against the trump treason and mobs, but it doesn't sound like he's recognizing the obstruction of Republicans in Congress. Luckily, hopefully having both branches will allow him to get some things done.

And I say that recognizing the political angle, it builds political capital to look like the reasonable, compromising one, encouraging people to blame the other side if they don't agree. It 'looks good' to say nice things about your opponents and how badly you want to compromise.

It provides Biden some protection from the (false) attacks that he's a hyper-partisan radical leftist trying to force socialism down Americans' throats.

But we've seen that instead of looking like a political tactic, it looked like Obama really was flummoxed and outmaneuvered and ineffective dealing with Republican obstructionism.
 
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I agree; but if Lincoln gives a speech in the middle of the civil war saying 'hey guys, this is nasty, if we all just agree on unity and go the same direction we'll do better, what do you say?', it would be a pretty futile gesture. I'm comparing current conflicts to the civil war, but just noting that telling half the country against you 'hey if you reverse direction and join us we'll have unity and unity is great' is pretty hollow.

Agreed. But if you focus 100% of your attention on the things most rational people want (beat COVID and re-open; max out US manufacturing; best schools in the world at every level) I imagine you can get a majority. Avoid as much as possible the Abortion-type topics for which there is an outright fundamental divide.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.

The usual AA binary thinking.
Hardly anyone wants to see justice done to the seditionists and the Seditionist Caucus of the Republican Party more than me.
But if nothing else, I see that as an opportunity for sane rational conservative to breathe new life into the Republican Party, with the intent of reestablishing it as the home of real actual conservative thinking instead of knee-jerk reactionary white supremacist authoritarian fascism.
And it would behoove those bedrock conservatives to embark on that endeavor sooner rather than later, before the bomb throwing Qanon believing Capitol invading terrorists make the GOP a non-viable institution for a generation or more.

Believe me, while the threat to the Capitol may have evaporated, there is no way all that pent up thirst for terrorism evaporated with it, it just got stuffed down under the crushing weight of defeat and the appearance of strength we displayed during the Inauguration.
That has to come out somewhere, some time.
And it will, and it WILL eventually deal a fatal blow to the Republican Party and to all Republicans.
You cannot ignore the Vanilla ISIS in your own house and "no true Scotsman" tropes are ineffective.
 
Agreed. But if you focus 100% of your attention on the things most rational people want (beat COVID and re-open; max out US manufacturing; best schools in the world at every level) I imagine you can get a majority. Avoid as much as possible the Abortion-type topics for which there is an outright fundamental divide.

Well, sure - things trump could easily have done and gotten a lot of support if he weren't so terrible and incompetent.
 
Trust me. He knows who the deplorables are.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.
I have a sincere hope that there will be lessons learned from how Republicans treated Obama and how they managed to crawl back into power despite Obama's attempts to be a unifier.
Obviously, with a divided Senate, there will be limits to what can be accomplished, but I hope we have learned not to fear ramming our agenda down their throats.
It is a more popular agenda and that is the key to holding power and potentially increasing it.
 
But if nothing else, I see that as an opportunity for sane rational conservative to breathe new life into the Republican Party, with the intent of reestablishing it as the home of real actual conservative thinking instead of knee-jerk reactionary white supremacist authoritarian fascism.

Here's a far worse rephrasing of your point. It's an opportunity for the plutocrat Republicans to breathe new life into the Republican Party, after using alliances with dangerous wings like trump and his cult and white supremacists for votes, to re-establish the party as the party of plutocracy without all the noise, and weakening the Democrats by gaining more voters of color.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.
Yeah! And how do we have unity with people who bought the Russian Trump Collusion fairytale that has been proven to be fabricated by the democrats.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.

When we say "unity," we're not including them.
 
Looks like Biden learned the lesson. I hope the democrats in congress spine up and use their majority to the max.
 
I have a sincere hope that there will be lessons learned from how Republicans treated Obama and how they managed to crawl back into power despite Obama's attempts to be a unifier.
Obviously, with a divided Senate, there will be limits to what can be accomplished, but I hope we have learned not to fear ramming our agenda down their throats.
It is a more popular agenda and that is the key to holding power and potentially increasing it.

If Biden's Administration devotes precisely the same amount of air time to racial equality AND rural economic prosperity, the GOP would be left scrambling for years to come. I'd really like to see that, too, because it's the right thing to do.
 
I have a sincere hope that there will be lessons learned from how Republicans treated Obama and how they managed to crawl back into power despite Obama's attempts to be a unifier.
Obviously, with a divided Senate, there will be limits to what can be accomplished, but I hope we have learned not to fear ramming our agenda down their throats.
It is a more popular agenda and that is the key to holding power and potentially increasing it.
LOL, “how the Republicans treated Obama”? Seriously? How about how Democrats and their useful idiot in the media, academia, and the arts treated Trump?
 
Looks like Biden learned the lesson.

How? I'm surprised he isn't appointing more Republicans to his cabinet, an old 'bi-partisan' technique.
 
Yeah! And how do we have unity with people who bought the Russian Trump Collusion fairytale that has been proven to be fabricated by the democrats.
How does one have unity with folks living in a fairy tale land that fabricates a fake reality?
 
LOL, “how the Republicans treated Obama”? Seriously? How about how Democrats and their useful idiot in the media, academia, and the arts treated Trump?
You guys aren't ****ing victims. You simply cannot accept any personal responsibility which is why you have alt news spinning alt facts to shelter you in an alt reality that keeps telling you that you don't have to accept responsibility because you are always the victims no matter what it is you do.
 
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Gear up and make it happen, capn.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen?
1. You let them be heard. Debate them later, but first let them know that you heard them and understand their position.
2. Meet them on common ground, that everyone wants a valid election process.
3. Show them the detailed audits of the election.
4. Refrain from making any kind of snide remark or insult as that will make them back out of the common ground and you will have lost a future voter and financial backer.
5. Give it time. Many people have a lot of emotion tangled up in this election and they need time and intellectual space to unwind.
6. Accept that some of them just won't agree. Some people believe the Earth is round, too. Accept that every group has it's fringe and offer your hand to the majority will eventually come around.
7. Accept that your need for social justice regarding their actions during the election will never be satisfied. Let go of vengeance, or your own party will let go of you since vengeance scares away investors.
 
Yeah! And how do we have unity with people who bought the Russian Trump Collusion fairytale that has been proven to be fabricated by the democrats.
Well unity obviously can't include every body. Some people are too invested in partisan myths and disproven talking points to ever expect to be rationally engaged. You appear to be the poster boy for that crowd. Good luck with that.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.
You are absolute right, with hateful rhetoric like that there is no way you can have unity with the right wing, or for that mater the left wing or the middle. The only possibility of unity you can have is clearly with yourself and I am not too sure about even that.
 
All of Biden's talk about "unity" today made me want to puke. How do you have "unity" with a bunch of people that think a fair election was stolen? That support such a racist and bigoted president that tried to use an insurrection to stay in power? It's time we started viewing the right-wing as a mad dog that needs to be put down and not someone you keep getting bitten repeatedly trying to reach out to.

The time to take the gloves off is NOW.
And then?
 
LOL, “how the Republicans treated Obama”? Seriously? How about how Democrats and their useful idiot in the media, academia, and the arts treated Trump?

Trump treated the Dems poorly. He insulted them and never sought a debate on the issues with them.
 
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