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Soon to be former president Trump signs stimulus bill

So you leftists are A-OK with all the trash giveaways in that bill? Well, hell, that kind of shows us where you're really coming from. I'm pretty sure the hard working Americans will JUST LOVE supporting people overseas when there are people here really hurting. Nice job, leftists! Pelosi is a regular Jesus, right?
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The R Team and Trump were somehow forced to include "defense" spending? Did any D or R Team members voice dissent? Did only one "side" of the duopoly party write the bill?
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. US militarism is wrong. Human rights abuses are wrong. I didn't say it's a "war for oil," it's wars for political and economic power mainly for maintaining access to resources, not only material resources. But you cannot help but straw man.


The West and colonialism caused much of this. They want the Middle East and North Africa unstable so we can manhandle their governments or lack thereof as much as we can get away with. Stop creating power vacuums, regime change, sanctions, etc. Stop creating more problems and maybe the Middle East and North Africa can stabilize and not be messes.


Is blowing people up a humanitarian thing in your mind?

I have never said abolish the military, abolish militarISM. You haven't noticed the difference, don't know the difference, and are probably straw-manning again.


No, it's the reverse: Militarism doesn't give a shit about those people. Militarism is starving and killing people, every day. Christmas day- US Militarism starved and killed people. Are you an evangelical Christian "End Times" warrior? Is that your deal? Who would Jesus bomb?

Pretending there is any equivalence whatsoever between the actions of the US and those of ISIS is moronic. Helping stop slavers and mass murderers is not the same thing as slaving or mass murdering. Especially considering that ISIS and other such groups routinely attempt to try and murder non-combatants in the wider world(not to mention their most common victims are Muslims of the “wrong” denomination). This is not a case of “two wrongs”. Only one side here is committing genocide....and it isn’t the US.

If that were actually true, once again, there’d be Marines in Caracas right now. The fact that there aren’t is just the most glaring example of why your claims are untrue.

Oh look, more whataboutism, attempting to find a “justification” for their atrocities committed by such groups. No, the West did not force groups like ISIS to blow up a Hazara market in Afghanistan, or hack Berbers to death for the “crime” of playing music in Algeria, or storm a school in Pakistan. No amount of crying about “colonialism“ justifies genocide. These are people who would still routinely committing mass murder even if not a single non Muslim was in the Middle East. They are the fanatical fringe, whose ideology is rejected overwhelmingly by most people in the Middle East. Your attempts to try and excuse their actions by muttering about “colonialism“ this or ”meddling“ that doesn’t change the facts.

Again, sanctions are the meaningful alternative to war when it comes to opposing brutal dictators like Assad of Syria. Just because you don’t care what happens to people in the Third World doesn’t mean the US should turn a blind eye. Allowing ISIS and Al Qaeda to run rampant ensures that things will never stabilize, because those groups have no interest in stability.


Buddy, we already know that to people like you they are one and the same.

There is nothing wrong with blowing up genocidal thugs. Every ISIS member killed means untold numbers of innocent civilians live.

No, you don’t care about those people. You don’t want the US to stop genocidal slavers, you don’t want the US to sanction brutal dictatorships, you cry about how the US helping allies is “meddling“......you place far more value on the lives of human traffickers, genocidal thugs, and serial rapists than you do the common people of the Middle East.

Last time I checked Jesus didn’t think genocide was okay either.
 
The R Team and Trump were somehow forced to include "defense" spending? Did any D or R Team members voice dissent? Did only one "side" of the duopoly party write the bill?
Nice try, but what we need is an honest media to tell the public what's actually going on. Good or bad, R or D. Unfortunately, that doesn't exist in the USA. Sad.
 
You're living in the past. You seem to think being heartless is a good characteristic. All you do is straw man, and act like the only solutions are state violence. You're advocating for perpetuating those miseries, not me.

Why don't you actually address something I actually say, for once? How can human rights abuses be stopped without committing more human rights abuses?

“Heartless”? Gee, you mean like turning a blind eye to an ongoing genocide because you are too busy trying to equate the United States to ISIS?

Again, do you actually think groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda, who routinely kill fellow Muslims for not being extreme enough, are going to stop just because you beg them to?

You are more than willing to turn a blind eye to the suffering committed by such groups because you don’t care about their victims, instead being far more interested in whining about the US. Your posturing is insipid and pathetic.

Short answer? If you think defending yourself from people who fly airliners into buildings is just as bad as committing genocide.....you can’t.
 
Pretending there is any equivalence whatsoever between the actions of the US and those of ISIS ...
You started with another straw man argument. I stopped reading before I finished the first sentence.
 
Nice try, but what we need is an honest media to tell the public what's actually going on. Good or bad, R or D. Unfortunately, that doesn't exist in the USA. Sad.
Oh, so you're not sure of what you said so you're blaming the media.
 
The "interests" US militarism protects are resources, and access to resources for corporations to make another killing.

They also profit from the misery they create, the weapons they manufacture and sell worldwide, all while the opportunity costs are sky-high. We should be investing in helping people, not investing in hurting people and destroying the environment. US militarism is the chattel slavery issue of our era. It needs to be abolished. It is inhumane. It's a societal failure. Invest that money, time, energy, infrastructure, manpower, brainpower, etc into positive things, like helping people survive and fixing our environmental problems instead of doing the opposite. Shooting, blowing up, and starving people is barbaric.
Like I said before, your ignorance would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
 
My Mom is dead. Wanna try again?
I'm sorry your mom passed.

Note the quotation marks. They're there because you brought the same weak argument, again. You can't engage with what I wrote? You can only falsely claim that I'm ignorant?
 
You started with another straw man argument. I stopped reading before I finished the first sentence.

I‘m sure you did. After all, you aren't capable of handling the real world.
 
I stop reading when I hit dishonest straw man argumentation.

So in other words you are curled up in a ball screaming “no no no”. It’s not my fault you don’t give a shit about genocide.
 
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So...Trump has shown us how much he cares about the American people and our country (he cares a lot).

Now it's up to Congress to show us how much THEY care. Will it be crumbs, pork, corruption and money in their pockets? Or will they do the right thing?

Until it is signed we have nothing but theater action but no oscars ....... Trump does not give a hoot. Nonetheless $2000 is more practical under the circumstances. WE MUST be willing to accept
OUR OWN MONEY. Thank you.
 
I‘m sure you did. After all, you aren't capable of handling the real world.
In the real world, the overwhelming majority of people don't intentionally harm other people, make a huge profit from doing so, act like it's a good thing, and don't have any idea nor want to even consider that there must be a better way to deal with societal problems than helping create more problems.
 
So in other words you are curled up in a ball screaming “no no no”. It’s not my fault you don’t give a shit about genocide.
I've seen you post good comments on other subjects.
 
In the real world, the overwhelming majority of people don't intentionally harm other people, make a huge profit from doing so, act like it's a good thing, and don't have any idea nor want to even consider that there must be a better way to deal with societal problems than helping create more problems.

In the real world, people don’t pretend that there’s some sort of equivalence between the people committing genocide and the people stopping them.....because there isn’t.
 
In the real world, people don’t pretend that there’s some sort of equivalence between the people committing genocide and the people stopping them.....because there isn’t.
In non-straw arguments people don't make up or twist other people's comments.

I'm against the death penalty, too. Does that mean I'm advocating for heinous murders? I am using your logic.

Are you against the death penalty?
 
All that bluster and then he signs the bill he called a disgrace. All so he could still feel relevant.
It all about showmanship in his mind and reality is boring. That was an expertly produced video and it got him attention. Even making people miserable is better than being forgotten.
 
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So...Trump has shown us how much he cares about the American people and our country (he cares a lot).

Now it's up to Congress to show us how much THEY care. Will it be crumbs, pork, corruption and money in their pockets? Or will they do the right thing?
What a novel idea. Sign the bill and THEN make the changes you want. That is a good one...... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: I'm glad he still has his sense of humor.
 
In non-straw arguments people don't make up or twist other people's comments.

I'm against the death penalty, too. Does that mean I'm advocating for heinous murders? I am using your logic.

Are you against the death penalty?

Except I’m not twisting anything. You are arguing for an equivalence between the US and ISIS which simply doesn’t exist.
 
What a novel idea. Sign the bill and THEN make the changes you want. That is a good one...... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: I'm glad he still has his sense of humor.
This action is not new. Hell, his statement even referenced the law that justifies this action.

Oh...wait...you didn't even read the whole statement, did you?

You are dismissed.
 
Trump put both the Dems and the Reps between two shitty positions. He got "assurances" out of both of them. Neither party wants to do everything they assured him they would do. But if they don't do the stuff, he's going to spank them so hard in front of the American people that he'll get even MORE people on his side. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets another 10 million supporters if they stiff him.

Hopefully, they'll do the right things, dump much of the pork, shift the monies towards the American People, seriously examine the voting irregularities, processes, and fraud in the election, lastly make big tech much more responsible for their actions. These are all good things for the People, so we will see who works for who.
 
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