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Something I noticed about a lot of adamant anti-2nd amendment folks.

TurtleDude said:
for their believers and followers-not the Jews, not the Gypsies, etc
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Well since membership of Nazi youth programs was mandatory, I think you could say it covered a far greater proportion of people in Germany than people in the USA today.

What proportion of Germans were Nazis in your opinion ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Well since membership of Nazi youth programs was mandatory, I think you could say it covered a far greater proportion of people in Germany than people in the USA today.

What proportion of Germans were Nazis in your opinion ?
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No idea and don't care. A guy I knew years ago was brought up in what is now Romania-his parents had been born and raised in Germany. In 1943, or so. the SS told his father that if Erwin joined the SS, the family's rations would be doubled. He did as a teenager and was a "Nazi". He spoke english-his father was a professor. His father told him the Germans were going to lose and he needed to surrender to the US or the Brits. He was wounded fighting the Russians and sent back to Germany. When he was almost recovered, he left his quarters during a bombing and headed west. He heard some soldiers speaking English and he shouted out he was an unarmed Romanian and wanted to surrender. Due to his ability to converse in English and that he was a decent cook (his mother ran basically a bed and breakfast operation), he joined the US Army as a "cook"-in reality he was working with the OSS. He told me that many "Nazis" were like him and joined for the reason he did. When he died, he had a US army chaplain preside over his funeral and had military honors. His best friend was a former Latvian national, who -in an 8 year period, had served in the Latvian, Nazi and Russian military and then escaped to the west and ultimately was in the US Army. Things were confusing back then
 
Rich2018 said:
Then maybe you should desist comment on things you know little about ?
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Or try travelling overseas...not some whistle stop tourist trail, but actually travel in a foreign country

Try England, lots of things to see, better beer, they speak English and you'd be surprised how "free" they are without any guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or try travelling overseas...not some whistle stop tourist trail, but actually travel in a foreign country

Try England, lots of things to see, better beer, they speak English and you'd be surprised how "free" they are without any guns.
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Yet, I've talked to Brits who prefer it here in the USA.
 
TurtleDude said:
A guy I knew years ago was brought up in what is now Romania-his parents had been born and raised in Germany. In 1943, or so. the SS told his father that if Erwin joined the SS, the family's rations would be doubled. He did as a teenager and was a "Nazi". He spoke english-his father was a professor. His father told him the Germans were going to lose and he needed to surrender to the US or the Brits. He was wounded fighting the Russians and sent back to Germany. When he was almost recovered, he left his quarters during a bombing and headed west. He heard some soldiers speaking English and he shouted out he was an unarmed Romanian and wanted to surrender. Due to his ability to converse in English and that he was a decent cook (his mother ran basically a bed and breakfast operation), he joined the US Army as a "cook"-in reality he was working with the OSS. He told me that many "Nazis" were like him and joined for the reason he did. When he died, he had a US army chaplain preside over his funeral and had military honors. His best friend was a former Latvian national, who -in an 8 year period, had served in the Latvian, Nazi and Russian military and then escaped to the west and ultimately was in the US Army. Things were confusing back then
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How many Brits have you known ?

I remember you said you completed there once (maybe more than once?)

Did any of the people you met give you the impression they were "enslaved" or had "turned their back on freedom" ?
 
Rich2018 said:
How many Brits have you known ?

I remember you said you completed there once (maybe more than once?)

Did any of the people you met give you the impression they were "enslaved" or had "turned their back on freedom" ?
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I talked to a Brit who turned his back on Britain. Prefers the USA.
 
Rich2018 said:
How many Brits have you known ?

I remember you said you completed there once (maybe more than once?)

Did any of the people you met give you the impression they were "enslaved" or had "turned their back on freedom" ?
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I doubt many would admit to being/doing either.
 
Rich2018 said:
I doubt many would admit to being/doing either.
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Asking questions of someone else, but then later supplying an answer yourself? Is that on their behalf or just spam?
 
Rich2018 said:
Then maybe you should desist comment on things you know little about ?
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Well if you followed your own advice, we wouldn't know who you are on this part of DP
 
Rich2018 said:
And that inconsistent with your reading comprehension and prejudice.
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the only prejudice here is yours-against our freedoms.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or rather what you consider to be a necessity for it - which most Americans don't agree with, nor the rest of the world.
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Why do you keep making this silly argument? At one time most people believed in the geocentric model of the universe, and today in 2022, only 7% of the world's population are atheists. That a majority of people believe something is not evidence that it's true.
 
aociswundumho said:
Why do you keep making this silly argument?
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Because most people in the USA don't have a gun, yet consider themselves free (though the J6 riot and Virginia gun rally may have stoked some doubts)
And because no other Westernized democracy grants a right to have a gun, and guess what, they also consider themselves free.

aociswundumho said:
At one time most people believed in the geocentric model of the universe, and today in 2022, only 7% of the world's population are atheists. That a majority of people believe something is not evidence that it's true.
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Only 7% ?
What's your source on that ?
 
Rich2018 said:
And because no other Westernized democracy grants a right to have a gun, and guess what, they also consider themselves free.
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Human rights are not and cannot, be "granted" to you by some dirtbag politician. Whatever rights we have, they are equal among all human beings, hence one person cannot "grant" another person his rights, and by extension one group of dirtbags who won a popularity contest cannot grant the rest of us our rights.

Rich2018 said:
Only 7% ?
What's your source on that ?
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The exact percentage doesn't matter, suffice to say it's a relatively small minority.

According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists).
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Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia

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aociswundumho said:
Human rights are not and cannot, be "granted" to you by some dirtbag politician. Whatever rights we have, they are equal among all human beings, hence one person cannot "grant" another person his rights, and by extension one group of dirtbags who won a popularity contest cannot grant the rest of us our rights.
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The right to own a gun is NOT a human right
The right to health care and education (that some countries grant) are FAR more important, but which your beloved "dirtbag" politicians refuse to grant.

aociswundumho said:
The exact percentage doesn't matter, suffice to say it's a relatively small minority.
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Says who ?

aociswundumho said:

Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Nope
If you remove all the people who are ostensibly Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu but are actually non, believing, non practicing, it is a lot more than 7%
 
Rich2018 said:
The right to own a gun is NOT a human right
The right to health care and education (that some countries grant) are FAR more important, but which your beloved "dirtbag" politicians refuse to grant.



Says who ?



Nope
If you remove all the people who are ostensibly Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu but are actually non, believing, non practicing, it is a lot more than 7%
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your view as to what is more important doesn't change the fact that rights do not require others to affirmatively fund a right. And I believe self defense is the single most important right any living being can have
 
TurtleDude said:
your view as to what is more important doesn't change the fact that rights do not require others to affirmatively fund a right. And I believe self defense is the single most important right any living being can have
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As I've noted, several rights enjoyed by the people in the USA, ***DO*** require government funding, or as you say "others".
 
Rich2018 said:
As I've noted, several rights enjoyed by the people in the USA, ***DO*** require government funding, or as you say "others".
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Which ones?
 
Rich2018 said:
No-one seeks to ban anything just on the strength that it's not needed
No-one wants to ban 11+ round, 6+ rounds or semi autos just because they're not needed

I'm sure your house is full of things that you don't need.
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You don't really "need" to post on a political forum, but you do anyway.
 
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