Something I noticed about a lot of adamant anti-2nd amendment folks.

[Rich2018]

I agree, but I would note that no federal gun control is legitimate without both a repeal of the second/Tenth amendments, and another amendment actually delegating that power to the federal government

Yes, in order to repeal an amendment, you need to pass a new amendment. This amendment would both repeal the 2A and state that all (privately owned) guns are banned
It would grant Congress the power to pass laws banning the manufacture, sale, importation and transportation of guns and parts of guns. So no repeal of the 10A would be needed (as happened with the 18A)
It would also give the national executive the power to exempt guns by make/model#.

Note this is not unbanning a gun, it is granting an exemption. Should an exempted gun prove to be used in a significant number of crimes, its exempted status could be revoked, and thus restoring its banned status without the need for further legislation
(and vice-versa).

 

[RF667799]

Oh yeah, my life is such that I face psychos as much as a cop does. But so long as the psycho has no more rounds than I do, it’s a fair fight, Wyatt. But I suppose that by your standards, I should have a .50 cal or a bazooka to keep myself safe. You must be very afraid.

Somehow, our European cousins manage to survive without being armed to the teeth.

BTW, our European "cousins" died by the tens of millions in the past, at the hands of those who were better armed. Thanks, but I'll keep my gun.

 

[RF667799]

Yes, in order to repeal an amendment, you need to pass a new amendment. This amendment would both repeal the 2A and state that all (privately owned) guns are banned
It would grant Congress the power to pass laws banning the manufacture, sale, importation and transportation of guns and parts of guns. So no repeal of the 10A would be needed (as happened with the 18A)
It would also give the national executive the power to exempt guns by make/model#.

Note this is not unbanning a gun, it is granting an exemption. Should an exempted gun prove to be used in a significant number of crimes, its exempted status could be revoked, and thus restoring its banned status without the need for further legislation
(and vice-versa).

Banned but not banned. Humpty Dumpty shit.

 

[RF667799]

facts:

1) criminals robbing stores or invading homes premeditate that action
2) criminals robbing stores or invading homes are not deterred by the severe consequences of being convicted of armed robbery -or worse
3) it is a felony to engage in armed robbery
4) it is a felony to use a weapon to facilitate robbery
5) it is a felony to be a criminal in possession of a firearm

Logical conclusion #1: criminals who perpetrate violent armed crimes will not follow a magazine limit

more Facts

1) there are millions upon millions of 30 round M16 magazines (fit an AR 15) in the USA-the military goes through thousands a year and will continue to do so
2) there are millions upon millions 15-17 magazines for Beretta 92 and Glock 17 magazines. Police departments issue millions of these Glock Magazines yearly
3) 3D printers and common tools can be used to make magazines.
4) currently, there are no serial numbers nor dates of manufacture on normal capacity magazines

Logical Conclusion #2-criminals can easily obtain normal capacity magazines even if there is a ban at state levels (a federal ban is not going to survive constitutional review)

Last set of facts

1) shopkeepers and Homeowners rarely are able to anticipate a criminal attack
2) most innocent folks who are engaged in a violent confrontation with criminals have very little time to react
3) People who are not premeditating gun fights rarely have lots of magazines on them when a gun fight or violent confrontation takes place-especially if they are asleep when their home is invaded or their shop is robbed

Final conclusions

1) people who follow the law will not have illegal magazines in their firearms
2) magazine limits are far more likely to handicap law abiding citizens than those who premeditate violent crimes involving weapons

1)

My final conclusion is that I've got 30 round mags that fit my AR, stacked like cordwood in my closet. I'm a little short on pistol mags, but plan to rectify that.

 

[Nickyjo]

I didn't say anything about the psycho having a gun. Most cops go through an entire career without ever drawing their weapon and firing on citizen.

I must have struck the heart of your post, by this personal attack in response.

Not a personal attack, just a comment on how much fear your post implies.

 

[Nickyjo]

BTW, our European "cousins" died by the tens of millions in the past, at the hands of those who were better armed. Thanks, but I'll keep my gun.

Huh? If only the Jews, communists, gays and socialists had guns in Germany…

 

[RF667799]

Not a personal attack, just a comment on how much fear your post implies.

Why the hell would I be afraid with an AR with 30 rounds handy?

My daughter told me how much comfort she took from being able to carry her M4 to the latrine in the middle of the night in Iraq.

 

[RF667799]

Huh? If only the Jews, communists, gays and socialists had guns in Germany…

Were they well armed?

Besides, you're assuming I'm speaking exclusively of Germany.

 

[TurtleDude]

Huh? If only the Jews, communists, gays and socialists had guns in Germany…

the war might have lasted not nearly as long. If one out of ten people who was murdered by the Nazis killed or severely wounded a nazi before they themselves were killed that would have crippled the entire German army. That would have been more nazis killed than the USA lost in both theaters of the war

Being an armed victim might not allow you to survive, but it gives you a far better chance to take a few of the bastards with you. Nothing good comes form a disarmed citizenry

 

[TurtleDude]

Huh? If only the Jews, communists, gays and socialists had guns in Germany…

The Nazis disarmed them before they tried to exterminate such people. Nazi gun control laws-IIRC-were billed as "common sense" and designed to promote "the peace"

 

[Nickyjo]

Were they well armed?

Besides, you're assuming I'm speaking exclusively of Germany.

Ok, the Spanish left was well armed, but still fell to fascist Franco. Where else are you taking about?

 

[Rich2018]

the war might have lasted not nearly as long. If one out of ten people who was murdered by the Nazis killed or severely wounded a nazi before they themselves were killed that would have crippled the entire German army. That would have been more nazis killed than the USA lost in both theaters of the war

Being an armed victim might not allow you to survive, but it gives you a far better chance to take a few of the bastards with you. Nothing good comes form a disarmed citizenry

Gun owners use this crazy logic to justify their guns

If all Europe's minorities had, had guns, it would not have made a hair of difference

In many cases, the Jews and other minorities were rounded up by local Nazi sympathizers, of which there were many.

 

[TurtleDude]

Gun owners use this crazy logic to justify their guns

If all Europe's minorities had, had guns, it would not have made a hair of difference

In many cases, the Jews and other minorities were rounded up by local Nazi sympathizers, of which there were many.

so you are claiming the Jews were better off being disarmed by the Nazis.

Okie Dokie

 

[Rich2018]

so you are claiming the Jews were better off being disarmed by the Nazis.

They were better off leaving the area the Nazis controlled. Remaining in Germany (or a Nazi occupied territory) sealed their fate, armed or disarmed*

*and yes, some Jews were able to physically hide or hide their identity successfully.

 

[TurtleDude]

They were better off leaving the area the Nazis controlled. Remaining in Germany (or a Nazi occupied territory) sealed their fate, armed or disarmed*

*and yes, some Jews were able to physically hide or hide their identity successfully.

I am sure the US soldiers who were part of the invasion of Germany would have loved it if the people the Nazis tried to exterminate had killed a couple hundred thousand german troops.

 

[Daddyo]

Ask a cop if he would rather face a psycho who has to reload after 6 or 60 rounds.

Ask a dove it it would rather fly over my uncle with 3 shots in a 12gauge semi auto or me with my single shot 410gauge. All the doves would choose to fly over me based on the information provided. It would likely be their last flight. Uncle sucked.

 

[Rich2018]

I am sure the US soldiers who were part of the invasion of Germany would have loved it if the people the Nazis tried to exterminate had killed a couple hundred thousand german troops.

Yeah, but the very idea of that is a fantasy for reasons mentioned.

 

[RF667799]

Ok, the Spanish left was well armed, but still fell to fascist Franco. Where else are you taking about?

The entire span of history.

It's generally been better to be armed, than not.

 

[Rich2018]

Ask a dove it it would rather fly over my uncle with 3 shots in a 12gauge semi auto or me with my single shot 410gauge. All the doves would choose to fly over me based on the information provided. It would likely be their last flight. Uncle sucked.

QED.

It's better that people, if they are allowed guns, have fewer shots.

 

[RF667799]

QED.

It's better that people, if they are allowed guns, have fewer shots.

No, I disagree. I like having more shots and it's really none of your business.

 

[Rich2018]

The Nazis disarmed them before they tried to exterminate such people. Nazi gun control laws-IIRC-were billed as "common sense" and designed to promote "the peace"

What source can you cite to substantiate that ?

The Nazis heavily promoted gun familiarization and practice.

 

[TurtleDude]

What source can you cite to substantiate that ?

The Nazis heavily promoted gun familiarization and practice.

for their believers and followers-not the Jews, not the Gypsies, etc

 

[Glitch]

Ask a dove it it would rather fly over my uncle with 3 shots in a 12gauge semi auto or me with my single shot 410gauge. All the doves would choose to fly over me based on the information provided. It would likely be their last flight. Uncle sucked.

You remind me of my younger brother. He also owned a 410 gauge, while I owned a 12 gauge, and he would always end up with more birds than I. He was definitely the better shot between the two of us. Nevertheless, I still managed to qualify as an Expert shot for 8 consecutive years with the Marine Corps, but my brother could still out shoot me.

 

[Daddyo]

You remind me of my younger brother. He also owned a 410 gauge, while I owned a 12 gauge, and he would always end up with more birds than I. He was definitely the better shot between the two of us. Nevertheless, I still managed to qualify as an Expert shot for 8 consecutive years with the Marine Corps, but my brother could still out shoot me.

Don't know how or why I almost never missed. None of us ever had training or formal practice. My dad to this day is convinced that it was the single shot. He says it forced me to make that shot count.

He might be right seeing as the last time I went dove hunting I shot most of a box and only downed 4 dove lol. Semi auto 12 gage this time. In my defense I had 102 fever and we hunted a field with a million other hunters. Every bird that made it by us was flying very fast and erratic.

I'm back though. Shot a round of 5 stand 25 out of 25 and trap 24 of 25. With a 30 year old Remington 1100 that's set up for 3 gun lol. All the old guys with over and unders laughed at first.

 

[TurtleDude]

Don't know how or why I almost never missed. None of us ever had training or formal practice. My dad to this day is convinced that it was the single shot. He says it forced me to make that shot count.

He might be right seeing as the last time I went dove hunting I shot most of a box and only downed 4 dove lol. Semi auto 12 gage this time. In my defense I had 102 fever and we hunted a field with a million other hunters. Every bird that made it by us was flying very fast and erratic.

I'm back though. Shot a round of 5 stand 25 out of 25 and trap 24 of 25. With a 30 year old Remington 1100 that's set up for 3 gun lol. All the old guys with over and unders laughed at first.

Yeah I took a Jerry Miculeck Mossberg 3G semi auto to a sporting clays shoot-120 shooters-most with Beretta, Browning or Perazzi O/U. Shot a 95/100-first. It was a soft course, nothing that required two radically different chokes (the area where a O/U has an advantage)