Something bad is coming, Arm up and be ready.

[Daddyo]

I shouldn't take any of your claims seriously, but here goes.


Back in reality, crime rates have fallen steadily since 1992. They did increase slightly during the pandemic, but are now falling.

And no, this isn't because the reporting is screwed up. 2021 data might have been a bit off, but almost every agency transitioned to NIBRS by 2022.

I'd add that even if NIBRS is somehow less accurate than previous data, that doesn't prove that "there's a huge crime wave that's underreported!!!" At best, it would mean you have no idea whether crime is going up or down.

You certainly can't rely on reading a handful of news reports to provide an accurate picture, especially if you patronized blatantly biased and factually inaccurate news sources (as you've done several times in this thread).


"Blatant xenophobia and racism" is not "information."





What are you, new? Chinese people have immigrated to the US for around 200 years. Today, most simply fly into the US and overstay their visa; in fact, for years, that type of migration was outnumbering Southwest border crossings.

What isn't new is the racism targeted towards Chinese migrants. I'm sure you will be highly motivated after this discussion to read about the long history of anti-Chinese sentiment in the US, and lament yet more examples of American racism. Or... not.


"Reports" from who? I don't see any reports.


Or, you won't admit that your earlier prediction was wrong.


Crime is falling:

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/16/homicide-rate-us-voters-trump

Migrants commit fewer crimes anyway:


Border encounters significantly down:

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/16/1251966588/immigration-border-arrests-mexico-decrease

Gun ownership does not deter or reduce crime. In fact, more guns result in more deaths. If your goal is to improve safety, then your recommendation is counter-productive.

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?

www.scientificamerican.com

Fewer Guns Mean Fewer Gun Homicides

www.nber.org

More Guns, More Death: The Fundamental Fact that Supports a Comprehensive Approach to Reducing Gun Violence in America | Rockefeller Institute of Government

rockinst.org

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html[/URL

“Yes, some say that the US-Mexico ...L]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna105095

As of July 2023 160 people from the terror watch list had been apprehended on the border. This doesn’t include the got aways.

The Chinese have been migrating here for a long time. Just odd that we might soon be at war with them and all the sudden the numbers spike in a very short time AND no families no kids no old farts no women most fighting aged men. I find that odd and concerning. I love all people including Asians. Discussing problems and threats is only xenophobia to the racist.

Crime was falling. I posted a link that explains the current reason it is not rising more than what we are being told. The defund movement and recent shitting on law enforcement has caused a major problem with police recruitment and maintaining adequate police numbers across the country. Wait times for service have exploded. Calls for service in which the victim doesn’t stay to meet responding police do not get reported. The report said that more than half of the violent crime goes unreported.

More guns equals more deaths is bullshit and a lie. We know this because gun numbers rose 270 million while deaths fell for decades. More guns did not equal more deaths.

And guns do deter crime. I’ve openly carried a firearm for 30 years while at work. We have never been robbed. Other businesses nearby get robbed regularly.

During hurricane and riot situations, attempts were made on my gun shop. They were thwarted by me and my armed staff. Dozens of other businesses were looted and destroyed and a gas station owner was killed.

Guns in the hands of good people are not bad.

 

[samiam5211]

Notice no real response. So you know it’s happening and don’t give a shit. Great lol. Great Americans you leftists.

I don't give a shit about the random right wing paranoia of the week, you are correct.

 

[Rich2018]

I don't give a shit about the random right wing paranoia of the week, you are correct.

Unless it's accompanied with electoral success.

 

[samiam5211]

Unless it's accompanied with electoral success.

Still don't care.

Half of the electorate has below average intelligence.

 

[noonereal]

Months ago I posted a thread warning of the coming crime wave by people who have entered this country illegally. We have seen these increases including the beating of police officers and murder. This threat is still in the beginning stages as many of these illegals are prison inmates and mental institution patients. This threat is real and growing and the warning remains in place.

Now we have information on another layer of threat to this illegal immigration onion. Fighting aged males from terror and enemy states. Reports of tens of thousands of Chinese fighting aged males crossing into California. Reports of hundreds of folks from the terrorist watch list. Thousands from terror states.

We are looking at the biggest physical threat to this country in most of our lives.

Arm up and train up and just be prepared to take care of yourself and your family should this threat actually begin. In simply protecting you and yours you may save me and mine. I will be ready as will my family.

And to the leftists I am not interested in the BS. If you have information that suggests that I’m wrong share it. If you have stupid insults or jokes save it.

What a scary place your world is. Thank God I don't live is Chicken Little Heaven.

 

[noonereal]

Still don't care.

Half of the electorate has below average intelligence.

and even the intelligent folks work off of sound bites not fully understanding current events.

 

[Rich2018]

Still don't care.

Half of the electorate has below average intelligence.

Somehow I think you do care about the electoral success of parties you oppose.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

They are here. We have already caught plenty. Some have even admitted being released from prison in Congo and Venezuela. We don’t know for sure if it’s state sponsored or in what numbers because the records are unclear with many countries as you said but they are here.

“Yes, some say that the US-Mexico border poses a risk of terrorism. In March 2024, Senator Jon Ossoff and FBI Director Christopher Wray discussed the threat of terrorism associated with illegal entry through the southern border. Wray agreed with Ossoff's assessment, saying that the FBI is concerned about the potential targeting of border vulnerabilities by terrorists and criminal actors. Wray also noted that threats from foreign terrorist organizations, state-sponsored terrorist organizations, and homegrown violent extremists are elevated, and that the complex security environment and increased flow of people may allow them to enter the US”

They are here. Government knows it. They just don’t care.

You’re conflating concern, which may or may not be on point, with something that is documented and is already upon us.

Now, I’m all for being proactive but I don’t think we lose our mind over what can, or might, happen. We do our due diligence, keep aware, and have a plan. Then get on with other things. That’s what one does about the possible.

 

[Rich2018]

My experience is that leftists wouldnt, even their own child was raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant. they are too bought into their leftist rhetoric to stray from the tiny little mind box they have had created for them. Remember...these are the same people that cheerfully admit they would date men, if that man said he was a woman.

Or if a gun owner saw half his family slaughtered by a fellow gun owner in a mass shootings, he'd never see a reason to ban guns unless maybe he too was a victim but survived. And even then I'm not so sure.

 

[VanceMack]

Or if a gun owner saw half his family slaughtered by a fellow gun owner in a mass shootings, he'd never see a reason to ban guns unless maybe he too was a victim but survived. And even then I'm not so sure.

Yes...thats true,..because only weak minded simpletons actually BELIEVE that guns are the problem. Hell...YOU dont even believe guns are the problem...you are just committed to your cause. You LITERALLY dont give a **** about the who or the why...and 'victims' to you are nothing more than props to be used to promote an agenda.

 

[ataraxia]

We are currently experiencing a crime wave here in Los Angeles.

The murder of an actor has just been in the headlines.

Of course, the media are reticent in identifying the background of the suspects.

I believe that you are correct in saying that a significant number of violent crimes of all kinds is being committed by immigrants (probably many of whom are undocumented).

Hispanic people (both Americans and immigrants) are becoming the majority race in the greater Los Angeles area.

When suspects' photographs are shown, the majority show Hispanic suspects, with most of the other suspects being African American.

Meanwhile, back here in the real world:

Crime is down, but fear is up: Why is L.A. still perceived as dangerous?

LAPD statistics show that violent crime — including homicides, rapes, robberies and shootings — is down this year, but there's a lingering sense that the city is getting less safe.

www.latimes.com

 

[RF667799]

Meanwhile, back here in the real world:

Crime is down, but fear is up: Why is L.A. still perceived as dangerous?

LAPD statistics show that violent crime — including homicides, rapes, robberies and shootings — is down this year, but there's a lingering sense that the city is getting less safe.

www.latimes.com

Why is LA perceived as dangerous and why do gun control zealots do nothing but attack people who peacefully pursue their lawful interests.

 

[ataraxia]

Why is LA perceived as dangerous

Same reason people think the economy is doing badly when it's not, or that Covid is no worse than the flu: relentless right wing propaganda.

and why do gun control zealots do nothing but attack people who peacefully pursue their lawful interests.

Because their "interests" are affecting the safety of the rest of us. It's not just a personal hobby.

More Guns, More Death: The Fundamental Fact that Supports a Comprehensive Approach to Reducing Gun Violence in America | Rockefeller Institute of Government

rockinst.org

 

[Rich2018]

Yes...thats true,..because only weak minded simpletons actually BELIEVE that guns are the problem.

Or only a selfish gun owner with a perverted attraction to guns, refuses to ever accept that there's a gun problem. And a HUGE one at that.

Hell...YOU dont even believe guns are the problem...you are just committed to your cause. You LITERALLY dont give a **** about the who or the why...and 'victims' to you are nothing more than props to be used to promote an agenda.

And the "agenda" is what ?
To help usher in a socialist dictatorship ? (Stalin, Hitler and Mao all prohibited guns you know)

And everyone "knows" that the holocaust would never have happened if Europe had the 2nd Amendment
And equally everyone "knows" that only the 2nd Amendment prevented Japanese invasion in WW2

Or maybe the "agenda" is just to get more votes for the Democrat party and to force gun companies into bankruptcy and thereby stop their political contribution to the GOP ?

 

[RF667799]

Same reason people think the economy is doing badly when it's not, or that Covid is no worse than the flu: relentless right wing propaganda.

So let's shit can some of the draconian gun regulations since peace reigns o'er the land.

Because their "interests" are affecting the safety of the rest of us. It's not just a personal hobby.

More Guns, More Death: The Fundamental Fact that Supports a Comprehensive Approach to Reducing Gun Violence in America | Rockefeller Institute of Government

rockinst.org

People peacefully pursuing their lawful interests are affecting your safety? How does that work?

 

[RF667799]

Or only a selfish gun owner with a perverted attraction to guns, refuses to ever accept that there's a gun problem. And a HUGE one at that.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments are so effective. Especially the ones that include a spit shower.

And the "agenda" is what ?
To help usher in a socialist dictatorship ? (Stalin, Hitler and Mao all prohibited guns you know)

And everyone "knows" that the holocaust would never have happened if Europe had the 2nd Amendment
And equally everyone "knows" that only the 2nd Amendment prevented Japanese invasion in WW2

Or maybe the "agenda" is just to get more votes for the Democrat party and to force gun companies into bankruptcy and thereby stop their political contribution to the GOP ?

Strawman arguments are straw.

 

[ataraxia]

People peacefully pursuing their lawful interests are affecting your safety? How does that work?

Well, first we have to acknowledge that that's just the facts and observations.

But now if you want to know how that works, it's probably about leaving potentially hazardous equipment so poorly regulated.

 

[Rich2018]

Well, first we have to acknowledge that that's just the facts and observations.

But now if you want to know how that works, it's probably about leaving potentially hazardous equipment so poorly regulated.

Or publicly available at all.

 

[ataraxia]

Or publicly available at all.

Sure, it would be available to all. Kind of like cars. It doesn’t mean you don’t regulate cars.

 

[Rich2018]

Sure, it would be available to all. Kind of like cars. It doesn’t mean you don’t regulate cars.

But there's no right to a car, so it's easier to do.

 

[Daddyo]

I haven't read your links but I just have a few questions.

How do these people know immigrants commit fewer crimes when there are no records kept of ILLEGAL immigrant crime with the sole exception being Texas and even there the various large cities give the finger to the governor and refuse to report ILLEGAL crime and ILLEGALS in jail? Could you research for me?

While you're at it, could you also research how they know crime has fallen when they just don't consider certain acts a crime anymore, such as store robbery of less than $950.00 being a misdemeanor and not reported along with ILLEGALS committing crimes that are NOT reported?

Thanks.

A police officer friend told me that calls for service which the complainant leaves before police arrive is not counted as a crime. So I researched this and it seems he was correct.

Now combine this with the recent defund police movement that caused a major shortage of police and thus a major increase in wait times around the country.

I saw a report that said half of violent crime is going unreported. This makes more sense knowing the above.

 

[Paradoxical]

A police officer friend told me that calls for service which the complainant leaves before police arrive is not counted as a crime. So I researched this and it seems he was correct.

Now combine this with the recent defund police movement that caused a major shortage of police and thus a major increase in wait times around the country.

I saw a report that said half of violent crime is going unreported. This makes more sense knowing the above.

Let's say you own a store in California. The thugs know that if they steal $950.00 it is a misdemeanor. The Crips and Blood gangs there know this and so does every other criminal. They walk out with a shopping cart full of goods without paying. They then sell these on the sidewalks as typical in AOC land. What would you do? Acost them? Risk getting shot? Report them and have some DEIO clerk say, "OK, sir. Unless you can prove it was over $950.00 he stole, it's a misdemeanor. We'll make a record and if we catch him, we'll let you know. Thank you and be safe. We are here to protect and serve.

THAT is why crime is "lower"

 

[Daddyo]

Your sources are racist and white supremacist. Period.

Leftists are the racists. All they ever think about is race.

They also cry wolf using race at nearly every opportunity……

Support a border wall you are a racist.
Want voter ID law you are a racist.
Want illegals deported you are a racist.
Want criminals punished to the fullest extent of the law and you are a racist.
Support MAGA you are a racist
Oppose ANY black democrat candidate and you are a racist.
This doesn’t not apply if you oppose a black republican since they are uncle toms. You can’t make this shit up.

The racists calling others racist. Pathetic.

 

[Daddyo]

Until you can quantify all this, put some sort of guestimate on when "something worse is coming," then you may want to check telling others they have a problem with truth and reality. You literally took a challenge to your rhetoric and replied with more rhetoric.

I took a challenge to a source of mine by challenging the source used to question mine. Don’t call my source bias and suggest it’s wrong because of bias when the source you used is bias in the opposite direction.

Let me ask you directly using the things we know. We know criminals, convicts, gang bangers, drug dealers, human traffickers, and mental patients are coming into this country mixed in with the regular illegals. We believe that countries may be releasing prison inmates to come here like Castro did during the Mariel boatlift. Venezuela has deep ties with Cuba making the belief even deeper. The recent drop in crime, down 30 percent, in Venezuela making this belief deeper. So with so many of the things that we know or have a very good belief that is happening, what do you believe is going to happen in this country with all these bad folks entering?

I’m not going out an a limb to make some bold prediction. I’ve simply looked at the data. I’ve combined the material. The outcome is obvious. A brain dead retard could figure this out given the data. I’m not some special predictive guru. Bad guys have come and more are coming. They are already doing bad things and will continue. As the numbers rise so will the crime numbers. Would you agree with this belief?

 

[Daddyo]

Its interesting.

Without foundation (as in the shit hasnt happened and isnt actually happening) the leftists were sold the boogeyman that "white supremacists" are the greatest threat to our country and national security. Of course...the fact that of the 10,000 homicides committed pretty much annually, only a handful can even remotely be attributed to white supremacy and that of the 10,000 the VAST majority are committed by black Americans AGAINST black Americans in the poverty stricken shitholes the democrat party has created.......well...that just gets ignored. Because...after all..."white supremacy!!!"

On the other hand...where we HAVE seen increases in violent attacks perpetrated by the illegal immigrants this administration has brought into the country...well...that is...just...silly...no worries there...nothing to see, folks.

Some sources cited the number 63,000 as the number of US citizens killed by illegal immigrants since 2001. Of course that number has been dismissed and Politicfact found it an absolute false statement

No, 63K Americans have not been killed by illegal immigrants

As the deadlock over funding of a border wall drags on, an already-debunked claim about the dangers of immigrants is get

www.politifact.com

However...what they DID find, in their disputation of the outrageous claim was this...

"We asked U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement about the claim and, on Jan. 7, Vincent Picard, a deputy assistant director at ICE’s public affairs office, directed PolitiFact to two reports by the agency. According to the fiscal year 2018 ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations report, the criminal records of people arrested by ICE for being illegally in the country included 2,028 homicide offenses (387 charges and 1,641 convictions). According to the fiscal year 2017 report, the criminal record of people arrested included 1,886 homicide offenses."

Of course...researchers are going to try to spin things in whatever manner best supports their agenda.

But...again...nothing to see here folks.....

So in one year we had 1600 plus murderers lol. Yet non bias politifact says 63,000 is false. So since 2001 the 63,000 number is certainly plausible.

Ever person killed by an illegal is a death that never should have happened.

The people responsible for allowing these folks to come into this country should suffer the same fate as Lakin Riley. It’s a ****ing shame that Karma doesn’t really exist. When their families begin suffering perhaps their actions would change.