Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed

[haymarket]

Amazing how someone can hate a President as much as you do and ignore the results he has generated for this country. You have yet to tell us what he has done that has created this feeling?

It is the results generated that cause me to despise him so much.

 

[haymarket]

Your eyes are perpetually shut to reality and actual results. You want personality or someone to implement a massive gov't program and not generate the kind of results Trump has. You ignored 8 years of corruption and poor results and now want to get rid of someone who has generated the best results of ANY President in modern history. So sad to see someone like you and the rest of the radicals throwing temper tantrums

It is the results of Trump upon our people and system that cause me to feel about him as I do.

 

[GDViking]

Getting rid of Trump is a step toward the daylight.

And immediate restoration of respect from allies around the world, healthcare and environmental protections put back in place and the removal of the most corrupt person to ever slither his way into the Whitehouse...

 

[haymarket]

And immediate restoration of respect from allies around the world, healthcare and environmental protections put back in place and the removal of the most corrupt person to ever slither his way into the Whitehouse...

Amen. Trump has been a near complete disaster for our nation and our people. He must be removed ASAP.

 

[Conservative]

It is the results of Trump upon our people and system that cause me to feel about him as I do.

And what results has Trump generated that creates people like you? Looks to me like the results are better than anything Obama or any other Democratic President generated. You don't like Trump because of his personality and perception of his private life which has absolutely nothing to do with the job he is doing on the WH. Sad how hatred drives you and your ideology these days and the reality is you have offered nothing to support your claims other than rumors, speculation, innuendo all of which has supposedly happened prior to Trump winning the office. Waiting for a validation of your claims as you offer none, here are the results you want to ignore and claim are bad for this country

GDP Growth 2013 to 2018

2013 16784.9
2014 17521.7 736.8
2015 18129.3 607.6
2016 18707.2 577.9
2017 19485.4 778.2
2018 20494.1 1008.7

2016 GDP growth 1.6% vs 2.9% with those terrible tax cuts

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.8% today

Employed 152 million January 2017 to 157 million today

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 7.3% today?

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.4 million today?

African American unemployment 7.7% vs. 6.7% today?

Remember those wonderful Obama years leaving Trump with a 1.6% GDP growth, declining GDP dollars and let's not forget adding 9.3 trillion to the debt with much of that gov't spending in those GDP numbers

 

[trixare4kids]

Amen. Trump has been a near complete disaster for our nation and our people. He must be removed ASAP.

Yeah, "a complete disaster for our nation and our people"...:lol: Keep spouting nonsense... Meanwhile the latest numbers prove you wrong.

U.S. Jobs Grew by 196,000 in March as Hiring Bounces Back
The unemployment rate held steady at 3.8%, just above a 49-year low touched last fall

 

[ecofarm]

Yeah, "a complete disaster for our nation and our people"...:lol: Keep spouting nonsense... Meanwhile the latest numbers prove you wrong.

U.S. Jobs Grew by 196,000 in March as Hiring Bounces Back
The unemployment rate held steady at 3.8%, just above a 49-year low touched last fall

That's an asinine defense.

The USSR's economy grew under Stalin.
Germany's economy grew under Hitler.

These things happened despite those leaders, not because of them.

Further, conservative economic policy is long term. Pretending the results are instantaneous undermines conservative economic principles and demonstrates a lack of understanding on your part of how tax cuts work.

 

[trixare4kids]

That's an asinine defense.

The USSR's economy grew under Stalin.
Germany's economy grew under Hitler.

These things happened despite those leaders, not because of them.

Further, conservative economic policy is long term. Pretending the results are instantaneous undermines conservative economic principles and demonstrates a lack of understanding on your part of how tax cuts work.

Please, by all means, from your bunker, tell the class how tax cuts work, comrade.

:coffeepap

 

[ecofarm]

Please, by all means, from your bunker, tell the class how tax cuts work, comrade.

:coffeepap

Long term growth. Try conservative economics 101.

I already know this because I am a fiscal conservative and have extensively studied the philosophies, comrade.

I object to your BS as a member of your team.

 

[Conservative]

That's an asinine defense.

The USSR's economy grew under Stalin.
Germany's economy grew under Hitler.

These things happened despite those leaders, not because of them.

Further, conservative economic policy is long term. Pretending the results are instantaneous undermines conservative economic principles and demonstrates a lack of understanding on your part of how tax cuts work.

What is asinine are people like you comparing Trump to Hitler, what exactly has he done to create that claim? Looks like people like you are civics challenged with no idea the roles, responsibilities and limitations of the President. What part of those results indicate and support your claims?

 

[ecofarm]

What is asinine are people like you comparing Trump to Hitler, what exactly has he done to create that claim? Looks like people like you are civics challenged with no idea the roles, responsibilities and limitations of the President. What part of those results indicate and support your claims?

Learn how conservative economics works.

It's not instant gratification; stop talking like a lefty.

 

[Conservative]

Long term growth. Try conservative economics 101.

I already know this because I am a fiscal conservative and have extensively studied the philosophies, comrade.

I object to your BS as a member of your team.

If you studied the philosophies then by all means tell us what Trump has done to create this hatred from a so called fiscal conservative? Could it be the projected surplus in the month of March 2019? How about the tax cuts, are those anti Conservative? The return of power to the states, anti conservative?

Looks to me like you buy what you are told and are totally incapable of verifying the accuracy of what you are told. Which of the stooges running for President from the Democratic Party are promoting those conservative values you claim you have?

 

[Conservative]

Learn how conservative economics works.

It's not instant gratification; stop talking like a lefty.

I see nothing in your rhetoric that qualifies you to even talk like a Conservative. Exactly what long term harm are the Trump economic policies causing this country? I have posted the results which of course you ignored. Maybe AOC, Sanders, Warren are more to your liking, "mr. conservative!"

 

[ecofarm]

If you studied the philosophies then by all means tell us what Trump has done to create this hatred from a so called fiscal conservative? Could it be the projected surplus in the month of March 2019? How about the tax cuts, are those anti Conservative? The return of power to the states, anti conservative?

Looks to me like you buy what you are told and are totally incapable of verifying the accuracy of what you are told. Which of the stooges running for President from the Democratic Party are promoting those conservative values you claim you have?

If you wanna apply left wing rhetoric (instant gratification) to right wing economics (long term growth), that's your problem and don't expect any learned individual to take you as more than a fool undermining our philosophy.

 

[haymarket]

And what results has Trump generated that creates people like you?

It is the way he wears his hair.

 

[haymarket]

Yeah, "a complete disaster for our nation and our people"...:lol: Keep spouting nonsense... Meanwhile the latest numbers prove you wrong.

U.S. Jobs Grew by 196,000 in March as Hiring Bounces Back
The unemployment rate held steady at 3.8%, just above a 49-year low touched last fall

Those numbers - while over all good - are trivial compared to the man and his damage to the nation.

The halfway point: what have two years of Trump's wrecking ball done to America? | US news | The Guardian

 

[ecofarm]

I see nothing in your rhetoric that qualifies you to even talk like a Conservative. Exactly what long term harm are the Trump economic policies causing this country? I have posted the results which of course you ignored. Maybe AOC, Sanders, Warren are more to your liking, "mr. conservative!"

You don't know a damn thing about conservative economics. You're just a cheerleader doing it wrong.

 

[Conservative]

Those numbers - while over all good - are trivial compared to the man and his damage to the nation.

The halfway point: what have two years of Trump's wrecking ball done to America? | US news | The Guardian

Yes, the damage is so great that you cannot post it using the official data so you go to Britain for your news. Those two year wrecking ball as you call it has generated the results I have posted, results you want to ignore, then there is this

U.S. runs January budget surplus of $9 billion - MarketWatch

Wait until you see March's results, the grinding and wailing of teeth from radicals who call the success of America a failure. Trump has done more damage to your ideology and radicalism than any other President since Reagan which is probably why you are so anti Trump. You have yet to propose solutions to the problems you claim exist that counter the results I have posted which is why you have zero credibility. Your opinions are a joke and your entire attitude is one of seeking attention.

 

[Conservative]

You don't know a damn thing about conservative economics. You're just a cheerleader doing it wrong.

Suggest then you explain "conservative economics" because after 35 years in the private sector apparently I don't have the understanding you do yet you never explain what you are talking about

Could it be that you buy predictions and not actual results like these

U.S. runs January budget surplus of $9 billion - MarketWatch

 

[ecofarm]

Suggest then you explain "conservative economics" because after 35 years in the private sector apparently I don't have the understanding you do yet you never explain what you are talking about

Everyone has 35 years in the private sector. And some people are educated enough to understand conservative economic philosophy. Some people have no clue and spew left wing rhetoric in support of right wing policy. That's pathetic - and undermining.

Stop undermining my right wing philosophy with your left wing rhetoric.

 

[Conservative]

Everyone has 35 years in the private sector. And some people are educated enough to understand conservative economic philosophy. Some people have no clue and spew left wing rhetoric in support of right wing policy. That's pathetic - and undermining.

Stop undermining my right wing philosophy with your left wing rhetoric.

You say a lot of words spouting opinions none of which are supported by data, logic, or common sense. I asked you for specifics which you ignored. You are obviously seeking attention and not interested in honest debate. Leftwing rhetoric? What exactly have I said that is leftwing rhetoric, tax cuts? strong national defense? state and local responsibilities, or how about the budget surplus in January and you are going to see one in March as well. Is that left wing rhetoric? What Democratic Candidate is promoting fiscal responsibility and why haven't the Democrats in control of Congress tried to implement deficit reduction? Think the Green policy is the answer?

 

[pamak]

He was appointed to make a decision. He did not.

Mueller doesn't work for Congress. If they think Trump needs impeaching, they can do their own investigation.

He was appointed to investigation. He cannot make a decision about an impeachment.
The representatives of the House already do their own investigation but they do not execute raids to collect evidence.
You use ridiculous excuses which only undermine the constitutional authority of the House to make an informed decision about an impeachment!

 

[pamak]

So 22 months of investigation isn't enough for you? The House is filled with radicals just like you and has no credibility.

It is irrelevant how long the investigation lasted.

What is relevant is that the investigation has now ended and THIS House should make a decision about a possible impeachment based on the findings

 

[Conservative]

It is irrelevant how long the investigation lasted.

What is relevant is that the investigation has now ended and THIS House should make a decision about a possible impeachment based on the findings

The radicals in the House are idiots totally ignoring the role of the Federal gov't and making up issues like this Russian interference that has generated policies and results that obviously benefit the Russians, LOL, what would those be?

You are nothing but a radical socialist from another country who wants this country to be like the one you left. It would be a lot easier if you solved your own state problems first or better yet moved back to your old country vs. trying to dumb down America to be like your own country. There aren't any results that support your claims and your state, the bluest of them all is a shining example of what happens with socialism, the wage gap is the widest, the rich get richer and the poor poorer, greater dependence on the gov't for necessities, massive debt, lack of incentive to create housing thus driving up prices. Yes, you are clueless as to how incentive drives the private sector and how bureaucrats participate in social engineering thus creating career jobs, massive dependence, and debt funded by fewer and fewer people eventually running out of other people's money to spend. then what?

 

[ecofarm]

You say a lot of words spouting opinions none of which are supported by data, logic, or common sense. I asked you for specifics which you ignored. You are obviously seeking attention and not interested in honest debate. Leftwing rhetoric? What exactly have I said that is leftwing rhetoric, tax cuts? strong national defense? state and local responsibilities, or how about the budget surplus in January and you are going to see one in March as well. Is that left wing rhetoric? What Democratic Candidate is promoting fiscal responsibility and why haven't the Democrats in control of Congress tried to implement deficit reduction? Think the Green policy is the answer?

Though I'm confident this is useless to you, I'll explain what happens.

Tax cuts are about long term growth. They are not about instant gratification. They're not a magic wand that fixes everything now. They take years or longer to be realized.

Now, when a tax cut first hits, there's a confidence bump. Businesses seek to get out in front of capital gains and invest. They buy, they hire, they take their next small step in anticipation. This only lasts for a short time because many of those businesses will still fail. The confidence bump eventually merges with the trajectory, which we expect to be slightly higher due to the tax cut.

Years later, we experience real growth as a result of the successful companies.



Now, here's what you do:

1 month in: "See, it worked! Tax cuts work!"
2 months in: Market takes a downturn
3 months in : You're left with "well, I guess it didn't work after all."

And the tax cut is a couple years from realizing growth. But you've already hoisted it on a fake pedestal and had it smacked off that and under a bus. Well, that's ****ing great. Thanks for the dumbass rhetoric, now people think tax cuts don't work. From all of us economic conservatives, "great ****ing job".